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The sophistry of presentism


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2020 Jul 11, 4:00am   724 views  5 comments

by Al_Sharpton_for_President   ➕follow (5)   💰tip   ignore  

Imagine if in one or two centuries, the killing of animals and the consumption of their muscle and organs is outlawed across the planet. This behavior is universally condemned and severely punished in every country on this and other planets. Every sports hero, including the greatest basketball player of all time, Larry Byrd, the greatest QB of all time, Terry Bradshaw, every movie star including Clint Eastwood and Harrison Ford, every US president, including George Washington and Ivanka Trump, brilliant entrepreneurs including Elon Musk and Henry Ford, large bottomed ethnic celebrities including Oprah Winfrey and Lizzo, everyone you've ever known or admired are vilified as cannibals, and everything they had ever accomplished completely discredited. That is the sophistry of presentism.
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In literary and historical analysis, presentism is the anachronistic introduction of present-day ideas and perspectives into depictions or interpretations of the past. Modern historians seek to avoid presentism in their work because they consider it a form of cultural bias, and believe it creates a distorted understanding of their subject matter.[1] The practice of presentism is regarded by some as a common fallacy when writing about the past.

Presentism is also a factor in the problematic question of history and moral judgments. Among historians, the orthodox view may be that reading modern notions of morality into the past is to commit the error of presentism. To avoid this, historians restrict themselves to describing what happened and attempt to refrain from using language that passes judgment. For example, when writing history about slavery in an era when the practice was widely accepted, letting that fact influence judgment about a group or individual would be presentist and thus should be avoided.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_historical_analysis)

American college campuses are apparently natural hosts for a variety of intellectual viruses. Now comes the latest: presentism, the idea that we should apply the modern world’s moral sensibilities to judge people and practices of the past. And, if historical characters are found wanting in the judgment of the present, the virus should eradicate their names from the campus.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddavenport/2015/12/01/presentism-the-dangerous-virus-spreading-across-college-campuses/#726fb4bb2dcb

Presentism, at its worst, encourages a kind of moral complacency and self-congratulation. Interpreting the past in terms of present concerns usually leads us to find ourselves morally superior; the Greeks had slavery, even David Hume was a racist, and European women endorsed imperial ventures. Our forbears constantly fail to measure up to our present-day standards. This is not to say that any of these findings are irrelevant or that we should endorse an entirely relativist point of view. It is to say that we must question the stance of temporal superiority that is implicit in the Western (and now probably worldwide) historical discipline. In some ways, now that we have become very sensitive about Western interpretations of the non-Western past, this temporal feeling of superiority applies more to the Western past than it does to the non-Western one. We more easily accept the existence and tolerate the moral ambiguities of eunuchs and harems, for example, than of witches. Because they found a place in a non-Western society, eunuchs and harems seem strange to us but they do not reflect badly on our own past. Witches, in contrast, seem to challenge the very basis of modern historical understanding and have therefore provoked immense controversy as well as many fine historical studies.
https://www.historians.org/publications-and-directories/perspectives-on-history/may-2002/against-presentism

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1   Ceffer   2020 Jul 11, 5:47pm  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says
Presentism, at its worst, encourages a kind of moral complacency and self-congratulation.


It isn't just about history. It's about exempting yourself from standards applied to your own behaviors except on the level of shallow sloganeering and sociopathic manipulation.

The Alinsky methods include using the morals, laws, ethics, rules and standards of your opponents against them, while having no morals, laws, ethics, rules and standards of your own outside of hollow slogans.
2   ignoreme   2020 Jul 11, 6:46pm  

I actually think present day Americans are far morally worse then slave owners.

People in the 1800s lacked the technology we have today. Some of the things they accomplished frankly couldn’t have happened without slavery.

Today we have the technology to do incredible things yet we still rely on China slaves to make it and Latino slaves to farm it. We have the choice of not buying shoes from Nike made by slaves in China, it might cost a few dollars more but we don’t.

People in the 1800s didn’t have that luxury.
3   HeadSet   2020 Jul 12, 6:33am  

I actually think present day Americans are far morally worse then slave owners.

Yes, and in the future, when they has cleaner sources of energy and replication, they will judge us a "polluters." Judgement like we could have had bike friendly commutes, did not need cel phones that along with towers use 100x the energy of landlines, could have shut down at night, could have made better use of solar and wind, did not need luxury or sports cars, did not need yard fertilizers and weed killers, could have used locally sourced products, did not need dryers for clothes, did not need to wash daily, did not need to irrigate the desert and rape the soil in the heartland to overproduce foodstuffs, and so on.
4   NDrLoR   2020 Jul 12, 8:11am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says
Presentism
A good example is the idea that somehow Lincoln was gay because he sometimes slept with his bodyguard.

The story may be quickly summarized. During the summer and autumn of 1862, Lincoln and his family lived much of the time at the "Summer White House," a cottage at the Soldiers' Home just outside the city limits of the capital. Beginning on September 7 the guard there, and later at the Executive Mansion, included Company K of the 150th Pennsylvania Regiment, part of the so-called "Bucktail Brigade." From October 20 to November 27 Lincoln was alone in Washington, Mary and Tad having gone on an extended trip to Boston and New York, in part to visit Robert at Harvard. It was during this time, on November 16, 1862, that Virginia Woodbury Fox wrote in her diary: "Tish says, 'there is a Bucktail Soldier here devoted to the President, drives with him, & when Mrs L. is not home, sleeps with him.' What stuff!'"
5   Ceffer   2020 Jul 12, 10:48am  

NDrLoR says
"Tish says, 'there is a Bucktail Soldier here devoted to the President, drives with him, & when Mrs L. is not home, sleeps with him.' What stuff!'"

Bucktail says it all. Did she see a white stain on his dress?

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