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Onvacation says

In the June incident, Patricia McCloskey said, the couple was startled just before dinnertime when “300 to 500 people” entered the gated community where they live.

"[They said] that they were going to kill us," Patricia McCloskey told Hannity on Monday night. "They were going to come in there. They were going to burn down the house. They were going to be living in our house after I was dead, and they were pointing to different rooms and said, 'That’s going to be my bedroom and that’s going to be the living room and I’m going to be taking a shower in that room’.”"

https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri-couple-who-defended-home-have-rifle-seized-during-police-search-report?fbclid=IwAR1CV-BQ3JikK_R3JOvsE9op2Ys7GhJHIfiIMbaexswhxrR4yVkQWmK44qU

This guy is a lawyer and presumably a good one. Cities content to violate constitutional rights are going to have big problems with lawsuits in the next few years. It's pretty sickening because the police were told to stand down and not protect them now they take their guns.

This is a bad thing.

I can’t imagine what the cops are thinking.

clambo says

This is a bad thing.

I can’t imagine what the cops are thinking.

In a blue city? "Guns are baaaad, m'kay?"

I thought government had no right to confiscate guns?

Confiscating guns from a lawyer, let's see how that works out.

clambo says

I can’t imagine what the cops are thinking.

The cops do what City Hall tells them. Look at a pictogram of the city government and it's officials and their affiliations and it will say it all. Once progressives capture a city, it is doomed and will not recover because it is now a group of bandits, often third and fourth world, and anybody landing on their square is going to become a government mugging victim.

These occupants said they lived in this mansion because it was going to seed, and they wanted to renovate it to preserve the traditional culture of the city. I would suspect they will just move somewhere safer eventually rather than fight the mud hut cancel culture.

I'd love to know the details. Given the glaring lack of muzzle and trigger discipline displayed, a mandatory gun safety class before returning the firearms would be reasonable. Within a city like that, literally ANY direction a bullet is fired has a significant risk of hitting an innocent bystander, even inside their house or a mile away completely uninvolved or even aware of the protestors breaking in to this community.

Just as BLM prodigiously burns support and credibility by calling every arrest wrong and racist no matter how egregious the criminal's actions leading to it, or feminists burn the same by doubling down on "evil patriarchy" when innocent men are falsely accused of wrongdoing, so too do gun owners harm their credibility by lumping every edge case like this under the banner of "liberals trying to tear down 2a" with no regard for the specifics of the case even when the person clearly violated the most basic principles of gun safety to get the authorities on their case.

Automan Empire says

I'd love to know the details. Given the glaring lack of muzzle and trigger discipline displayed, a mandatory gun safety class before returning the firearms would be reasonable. Within a city like that, literally ANY direction a bullet is fired has a significant risk of hitting an innocent bystander, even inside their house or a mile away completely uninvolved or even aware of the protestors breaking in to this community.

There is no damages to anyone. You can't be prosecuted for hypothetical scenarios and what ifs. There is no law against poor trigger discipline. In fact, trigger discipline wasn't even a thing until 1970s, IIRC.

FuckCCP89 says

Automan Empire says

I'd love to know the details. Given the glaring lack of muzzle and trigger discipline displayed, a mandatory gun safety class before returning the firearms would be reasonable. Within a city like that, literally ANY direction a bullet is fired has a significant risk of hitting an innocent bystander, even inside their house or a mile away completely uninvolved or even aware of the protestors breaking in to this community.

There is no damages to anyone. You can't be prosecuted for hypothetical scenarios and what ifs. There is no law against poor trigger discipline. In fact, trigger discipline wasn't even a thing until 1970s, IIRC.

Why do you need trigger discipline when the Mob who told you they will come to your house and kill you is just say 20 feet away? They already had trespassed into the private community.

Automan Empire says

I'd love to know the details. Given the glaring lack of muzzle and trigger discipline displayed, a mandatory gun safety class before returning the firearms would be reasonable. Within a city like that, literally ANY direction a bullet is fired has a significant risk of hitting an innocent bystander, even inside their house or a mile away completely uninvolved or even aware of the protestors breaking in to this community.

Just as BLM prodigiously burns support and credibility by calling every arrest wrong and racist no matter how egregious the criminal's actions leading to it, or feminists burn the same by doubling down on "evil patriarchy" when innocent men are falsely accused of wrongdoing, so too do gun owners harm their credibility by lumping every edge case like this under the banner of "liberals trying to tear down 2a" with no regard for the specifics of the case even when the person clearly violated the most basic principles of gun safety to get the authorities on their case.

By same logic all BLM supporters should be in jail, lack of discipline, total hate for America, history of violence and murder.

Fortwaynemobile says

By same logic all BLM supporters should be in jail

I agree, but trying to whataboutism your way out of even addressing their stupid behavior is exactly the problem I am trying to point out to you and you just blew right by it like nothing.

Automan Empire says

Fortwaynemobile says

By same logic all BLM supporters should be in jail

I agree, but trying to whataboutism your way out of even addressing their stupid behavior is exactly the problem I am trying to point out to you and you just blew right by it like nothing.

Self defense isn’t stupid, it’s smart.

Automan Empire says

edge case like this under the banner of "liberals trying to tear down 2a"

This is an edge case to you? lolz!

Automan Empire says

their stupid behavior

What other options did they have? The police were not coming to rescue them. Would you suggest they let the mob burn down their home?

We've seen what these mobs do. An equal but opposite force is justified.

Self defense isn’t stupid, it’s smart!
As the old saw goes:
“Better to be judged by 12 of your peers than carried by six of them.”

Cops were executing a search warrant, Presumably issued by a Grand Jury judge at some point.

And the guns will probably be returned as well.

The only damages here will be if the couple get charged. Prosecutorial overreach(IE misconduct) is a sure fire winner. It’s why the majority of cases get tossed with no charges filed. The prosecutors aren’t sticking their neck out on cases that won’t even get past a prelim.

DOJ probe of St. Louis case on couple wielding guns at protesters

In a letter to Attorney General Bill Barr, Hawley called for a federal civil rights probe into St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner’s investigation into the McCloskey family for using firearms to defend themselves and their property against protesters.

“This is an unacceptable abuse of power and threat to the Second Amendment and I urge you to consider a federal civil rights investigation into the St. Louis Circuit Attorney’s Office to determine whether this investigation and impending prosecution violates this family’s constitutional rights,” Hawley wrote to Barr on Thursday.

“There is no question under Missouri law that the McCloskeys had the right to own and use their firearms to protect themselves from threatened violence, and that any criminal prosecution for these actions is legally unsound,” Hawley continued. “The only possible motivation for the investigation, then, is a politically motivated attempt to punish this family for exercising their Second Amendment rights.”

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hawley-seeks-doj-probe-of-st-louis-case-on-couple-wielding-guns-at-protesters.amp

In clown world the first amendment right to protest the death of a felonious thug, burn down a mansion, and kill the owners, trump the second amendment rights of the owners to bear arms and protect their life and property.

Onvacation says

“300 to 500 people” entered the gated community

Like a "gated community" can really wall itself off from mobs.

Sheesh. How much are the security guards paid to guard the gated community?

It reminds me when I had to check-in at the guard post to visit someone who lived in a Country Club gated community in Stockton.

Stockton is one of the rougher, higher-crime cities of Northern California. The "guard" was a young woman, though wearing a high-neck turtle-neck-type-undershirt under her uniform shirt, did not have the gang tattoo on her neck completely covered. And working her post, she knows the comings and goings of the residents of the gated community.

Yeah right gated community. Petty bourgeois think they can buy themselves into safety from the mobs by living in the gated community.

As Heartiste used to say, "Diversity + Proximity = War"

https://heartiste.org/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mark-mccloskey-st-louis-man-who-defended-home-from-blm-announces-senate-run-ill-defend-the-people-of-mo

A St. Louis attorney who famously defended his home from Black Lives Matter protesters who broke into his neighborhood announced his bid for U.S. Senate on Tuesday, telling "Tucker Carlson Tonight" he will defend Missourians the same way he defended his wife and family.

Mark McCloskey, who alongside wife Patricia, was pictured last year wielding a rifle and a handgun respectively when Black Lives Matter demonstrators ingressed toward their property, told host Tucker Carlson that the confrontation may have been a message in itself.

Another horse I will back even though I'm not in that state.