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2020 Jul 15, 3:31am   25,699 views  720 comments

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As the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surge to record levels in multiple epicenters, local and state officials are struggling with whether and how much to reverse the rollback of restrictions on individuals and businesses. For example, following a gradual reopening over about a month, on Monday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the reintroduction of statewide restrictions that would again shut down bars, all indoor dining, family entertainment, zoos and museums following a surge in coronavirus cases. The governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona, all now epicenters of infection, have also slowed or reversed reopening, but their actions have been tepid. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is even insisting on opening schools in the face of record-high numbers of infections.

These officials would do well to recall the observation of The Great One. No, not Dr. Tony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health—the other one, hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, who once explained, “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Anticipating what’s coming is important in confronting an infectious disease, especially one whose dynamics are what many infectious disease experts consider their worst nightmare. COVID-19 is highly infectious, has a lengthy incubation period (during which asymptomatic infected persons can unwittingly shed virus and infect other people), and causes serious, sometimes fatal illness.

Those unusual characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, and the idiosyncrasies and spectrum of presentations of the illness—from pulmonary symptoms (including pneumonia and pulmonary fibrosis) to a range of non-respiratory manifestations, (including loss of sense of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, and, rarely, a severe pediatric inflammatory syndrome) mean that we are on a steep learning curve.

The problem is: if we react too slowly to changing circumstances, we can fall off a metaphorical cliff.

There’s an old brain teaser that perfectly illustrates this point. Consider a pond of a certain size, on which there is a single lily pad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces and duplicates itself once a day, so that on day 2, you have two lily pads. On day 3, you have four; on day 4, you have eight; and so on. Here’s the teaser: if it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?

The answer? 47 days. In just 24 hours, between day 47 and day 48, the lily pads would double in size and overtake the pond. Moreover, on day 40, the pond would still appear to be relatively clear; just eight days from the pond being completely covered, you’d hardly know the lily pads were there.

If the same thing happens with a virulent and highly contagious infectious agent, like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you don’t know you’re in trouble until you wake up one morning to find that you’re overwhelmed. Like the lily pad example, the daily number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. was 18,577 on June 15th—just three weeks later, on July 10th, the number had shot up to 66,281.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci

FLATTENING THE CURVE TO BEAT THE IMPENDING CLIFF

From early in the pandemic, the public health mantra worldwide has been: “flatten the curve.” That important concept, which was in vogue several months ago, seems largely forgotten today.

In the above graphic from the University of Michigan, the blue curve is the viral equivalent of the lily pads, suddenly covering the pond. It represents a large number of people (shown on the vertical axis) becoming infected over a short time (horizontal axis), and, in turn, overwhelming our health care system with people who need hospitalization, or even an Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

If, however, political officials, individuals, and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, the cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a more extended period, as depicted by the flatter, yellow curve. As long as the number of cases at any given time doesn’t bleed past the dotted line marking the capacity of our nation’s health care system, we’ll be able to accommodate everyone who is very sick.

Curve-flattening has fallen out of focus in recent months, in part because some political leaders reopened too aggressively and prematurely, basing policy on their constituents’ “pandemic fatigue,” instead of on the advice of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts.

But it’s still critical to avoid the pattern of the blue curve, not only to spare hospitals and ICUs—which are especially under stress in parts of Arizona, Florida, and Texas—but also so that we can continue the gradual reopening of the nation’s businesses and schools. Reopening relies on curve-flattening. As the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci says frequently, public health and economic considerations are not in opposition but are opposite sides of the same coin; we can’t fully restart and resume commerce until the pandemic is under some measure of control. People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

That means we need to start anticipating and stop playing catch-up—as the governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas have been doing, relying on a combination of magical thinking, Happy Talk, and too-little-too-late remedies, instead of aggressive, evidence-based public health policies.

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, for instance, has offered no strategy for blunting the spike in COVID-19 cases other than to keep repeating that there were enough hospital beds to treat those who fall ill. And yet, ICU beds and ventilators in use by suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients in Arizona both hit new records on July 12th and were under stress, according to data reported by hospitals to the state.

On July 10th, a physicians group gathered outside Florida Governor DeSantis’s mansion in Tallahassee to urge him to issue an order mandating the use of face masks statewide, which arguably should have been done months ago. Masks have long been considered essential to slowing the spread of COVID-19, but, inexplicably, the Governor resisted. And only on July 10th did Texas Governor Greg Abbott finally mandate the wearing of face masks, and demand the prohibition of large gatherings and the closing of bars across the state.

Elected officials must heed Wayne Gretzky’s admonition and stay ahead of the coronavirus, in order to lower its rate of transmission. That’s the only way to slow the rise of new cases.

Evidence-based policies, such as requiring masks in public, prohibiting large indoor gatherings, and indoor dining at restaurants, are important. But as we’ve seen with California, even aggressive imposition of those kinds of strictures has not been sufficient—in large part because many people, especially younger ones, have failed to comply. As California allowed businesses and public places to reopen, bars, boardwalks, and beaches became crowded with large numbers of maskless patrons. It’s no wonder, then, that as of July 13th, hospitals in the state reported a 27.8% increase in hospitalized patients over the previous 14 days and a 19.9% increase in ICU patients over that same period. In fact, as a result of noncompliance, many local governments in the Golden State have had to coordinate with law enforcement agencies to issue citations and explore civil alternatives through code enforcement, environmental health, or other local government personnel.

Of course, the need for heightened consequences for noncompliance is unfortunate, but it will help to re-flatten the curve. That will spread out the demands on hospitals, which must have sufficient space, supplies, and healthy staff to care for all those who need hospital-level care—whether for COVID-19, a stroke, trauma, emergency surgery, or childbirth. It’s strong, but necessary, medicine—which possibly could have been avoided with more intense efforts to get the public to comply with wearing masks, social distancing, and frequent hand-washing.

If politicians properly understood their role in flattening the curve, they wouldn’t have to resort to policing and ticketing. They would instead launch a tsunami of public service announcements from all manner of dignitaries and celebrities, including prominent politicians, actors, rock stars, and athletes—maybe even The Great One himself—demonstrating how we can anticipate instead of falling behind the curve.

That non-coercive strategy could be a winner.


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Henry I. Miller, M.S., M.D.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology.


https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

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1   Onvacation   2020 Jul 15, 3:32am  

Hospitals can only treat so many sick people.
2   Onvacation   2020 Jul 15, 3:51am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
Our PRECEDENT! Fauci has perpetrated this PLANDEMIC! to sell his patented snake oil and RAPE! AMERICA! which is exactly why AMERICA! should RALLY! for OUR! PRECEDENT! and vote MONARCHIST! in November!

Makes sense to me.
3   CBOEtrader   2020 Jul 15, 4:02am  

Please post sources rather than copy/paste wordwalls.

I unfortunately read all of this. Does this "doctor" say anything of interest?

I dont understand how masks, SD, etc... play into the overall strategy. Do these people think they can beat down the virus? Or that it wont spread?

Why not let it spread amongst healthy and be done w it?

Whats the strategic purpose of masks, social distancing, etc?
4   WookieMan   2020 Jul 15, 4:11am  

CBOEtrader says
Whats the strategic purpose of masks, social distancing, etc?

Has nothing to do with a virus.... Covid is supposedly blowing up and I still personally only know two people personally that got it and I'm starting to question if they even did. Both are attention whores and I'd have no doubt that they may be lying. That's why the lily pad analogy is bogus. We know for certain this has been in the states since January. It's almost August for fucks sake and I know 2 people with questionable positive tests. Both of whom said it was a nothing burger. The pond should have been over taken by now.

When people use this analogy there's the assumption we're all in the pond. Fact is we're not. I'm on land and so are lots of people. It's an analogy to incite fear in people. To wear masks. To shut down small business. To what end I don't know. But it's like the 100th time I've seen it referenced and I stopped reading after that.
5   Onvacation   2020 Jul 15, 4:32am  

CBOEtrader says
Please post sources rather than copy/paste wordwalls.

Sorry. Neglected it.

https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

Usually don't post the whole article but I accidentally copied it and decided to leave it. Hope you didn't crash into the "word wall"; like that term.
6   Onvacation   2020 Jul 15, 4:36am  

CBOEtrader says
Whats the strategic purpose of masks, social distancing, etc?

Protest. Nobody wants to talk about the horrible choice of Biden, so they mask up and talk of Covid instead. In addition many have drunk the koolaid and have a mortal fear of catching a cold.
7   CBOEtrader   2020 Jul 15, 5:02am  

Onvacation says
CBOEtrader says
Whats the strategic purpose of masks, social distancing, etc?

Protest. Nobody wants to talk about the horrible choice of Biden, so they mask up and talk of Covid instead. In addition many have drunk the koolaid and have a mortal fear of catching a cold.


What do mask wearers say is their strategy? I legit can't get one to explain it. I dont think they think
8   WookieMan   2020 Jul 15, 5:36am  

CBOEtrader says
I dont think they think

A large chunk of Americans don't think. So you're probably spot on. The math and data are all there.

Assuming 330M documented residents in the US. 1% have tested positive.

Of the 1% testing positive, 3.9% die.

Of the 1% testing positive, 45% have recovered. Remember that positive tests include antibody tests that could include people that got it Jan-June and were asymptomatic and theoretically are recovered already.

As cases go up, mortality has gone down or at least leveled off 60% lower than the peak. The vast majority of those dying have lived long lives and likely were the cause of their pre-existing conditions. Source for graph below CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex



This has unfortunately burned through the most vulnerable as every virus usually does. Until deaths jump a substantial amount, things need to open back up. The new story line has been reinfection. If it didn't kill the first time, what's the big deal? So much manipulation going on around this. People need to take the time and look at the data and really understand that this really isn't a big deal at all. You will die by lightening, car accident, cancer, etc. if you're 60 or under before this virus...
9   WookieMan   2020 Jul 15, 6:04am  

If you hit the link and go to the graph I posted from the CDC, click the arrow at the bottom of my image (go to link) to see the table dataset for age.

Age 54 and under. Only 18 people died the week ending July 4th of Covid. Country of 330M. Maybe the data is lagging, but WTF? Call me out if I'm reading it wrong. Again, maybe data is lagging, but this is what we're shut down for?

Another good graph on excess deaths: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

10   Shaman   2020 Jul 15, 7:02am  

https://abcnews.go.com/US/california-border-hospitals-rise-covid-19-cases-coming/story?id=70686713

So we are actively importing Covid patients from Mexico.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/did-the-times-print-an-urban-legend/

And the NYT is printing fake news and all outlets are distributing it without even a hint of verification.
11   Onvacation   2020 Jul 15, 7:09am  

The article I posted is obviously bullshit.

I am so pissed that everything good is shut down while "protesters" are allowed to burn and pillage our cities and beat people for the colour of their skin. The poor are suffering while those who have government jobs are allowed to work online.

Meanwhile Epstein's pedo ring, the Biden's corruption, and the shredding of the constitution goes unproseccuted.

When and where will it end? When the socialists have gained control and all those who dissent are safely in the reeducation camps.

This will not end well.



13   WookieMan   2020 Jul 15, 8:15am  

georgeliberte says
https://reason.com/2020/07/15/dont-put-too-much-faith-in-the-experts/

There's also the fact that there statistically are zero experts on this specific virus. You need thousands of hours to master a craft or truly understand something. Just because you're an epidemiologist doesn't mean you understand this virus at all. Unless we have some closet doctors here, there have been things predicted here that the "experts" were wrong on and posters were right. Could be luck, could be educated guess, but it doesn't take away from the fact some random forum poster on the internet got it right and an "expert" didn't.
14   CBOEtrader   2020 Jul 15, 8:35am  

Joran Peterson talks about going to science conferences with real scientists. He reported that every other phrase was "unless im missing something" or "unless i havent considered all relevant facts" or "as far as we know" , etc...

I dont trust any expert who wont at least temper his statement with what he isnt 100% sure about. Every statement about CV should sound like this "In our limited understanding thus far, our best gues is..."
15   socal2   2020 Jul 15, 8:39am  

Notice how New York and New Jersey didn't flatten the curve - yet they are getting praised by our garbage media who are now shitting on Florida and Texas for having an increase in cases.




16   komputodo   2020 Jul 15, 10:48am  

Seems easy to set new records when it is a new "disease" with no past history...
17   theoakman   2020 Jul 15, 1:08pm  

socal2 says
Notice how New York and New Jersey didn't flatten the curve - yet they are getting praised by our garbage media who are now shitting on Florida and Texas for having an increase in cases.






I live in NJ and NYC is right next door. The amount of people we killed via stupid decision making is insane, yet they get a free pass. Moreover, our governor's have the nerve to criticize other states who haven't had even 5 percent of our death toll.
18   mell   2020 Jul 15, 3:19pm  

CA hospitals still mostly empty.
19   WookieMan   2020 Jul 15, 3:28pm  

mell says
CA hospitals still mostly empty.

MIL just had a gall bladder attack/blockage last night. Had surgery this morning. Can't visit, but hospital parking lot is a ghost town when dropping some stuff off for her. Used to be the biggest hospital in Aurora, might be number 2 now. 2nd largest city in the state of IL.

Oh well, we're all dying apparently with 1% of the country testing positive and 3.9% of positives dying. The horror. My kids will die too when they go to school Monday and Tuesday based on their last name and then remote learn the other days bringing back the monster that is covid into my home and then we die.
20   mell   2020 Jul 15, 3:45pm  

WookieMan says
mell says
CA hospitals still mostly empty.

MIL just had a gall bladder attack/blockage last night. Had surgery this morning. Can't visit, but hospital parking lot is a ghost town when dropping some stuff off for her. Used to be the biggest hospital in Aurora, might be number 2 now. 2nd largest city in the state of IL.

Oh well, we're all dying apparently with 1% of the country testing positive and 3.9% of positives dying. The horror. My kids will die too when they go to school Monday and Tuesday based on their last name and then remote learn the other days bringing back the monster that is covid into my home and then we die.


It's also a high psychological toll not to be underestimated even if you yourself don't fall for the hype. We had a kid in the soccer camp (every morning at drop off I'm the only adult not wearing a mask outside) go home not feeling well so he had to be tested and despite it being nothing you can figure the shitstorm I had to deal with. Like hyenas from all side people suddenly want to isolate your child and shit. Plus, children pick up on this hype and when they feel lazy or not up for running they now all say they don't feel well knowing they will get transported home instantly where they can play video games all day because nobody dares to enter their room. Fuck the leftoids, fuck the lamestream media, fuck gullible womyn and their mangina enablers. Nothing against being reasonably cautious but if this is all they can take I don't know what they're going to do if war erupts or some some sort of catastrophe descends onto town. This is nothing short of mass hysteria. Going for a run WITHOUT mask - let's see who wants to fight.
21   mell   2020 Jul 15, 3:52pm  

Also it's been 6 months now and 50 out of ~5000 people in SF died of Covid-19 (if you believe the likely inflated numbers), so 0.5% roughly tested positive and 0.005% died. How many people died of cancer and heart disease the last 6 months? Maybe 5000? Yet it's all about the Rona. This is so fucked up.
22   WookieMan   2020 Jul 15, 6:06pm  

mell says
This is so fucked up.

Yup. I have my angry days, sad days, optimistic days and normal days. Sometime weeks. You seem to be having an angry day, lol. Rona when accounting for the stats available to anyone, it's mind numbing how stupid this all is. It's clearly a manipulated event, albeit there is a real virus. It's just not remotely at all how it's being portrayed.

Media shooting from inside their homes like it's a fucking zoom meeting? Going into a studio is going to fucking kill them or something? Like they're more important than cops, emt's nurses and docs actually dealing with people that have it? Wearing masks outside to report the news when there's not a soul around? Everything is there for people with functioning brains and eyes to see the manipulation. It's worked well enough to turn what I consider smart people into Corona fear mongers.

But hey BLM, as they try to extinct themselves in most major metropolises and spread Covid through rioting and looting. #PeacefulMyAss
24   mell   2020 Jul 15, 8:20pm  

WookieMan says
Media shooting from inside their homes like it's a fucking zoom meeting? Going into a studio is going to fucking kill them or something?


Lol exactly this is so gay who wants the fucking newscaster chick telling fake news stories out of her living room unless she's hot and playing with a dildo. I mean either show some professionality, put a suit on and come into the studio or don't broadcast at all. You're not that important. If you get Rona on the way or at work then you'll be temporarily replaced with a hotter and younger version.
25   WookieMan   2020 Jul 16, 3:33am  

mell says
You're not that important.

That's just it. You get guys like Cuomo faking it from his basement. What a pussy.

My SIL was a weather chick for an ABC affiliate. We visited the studio with my boys. This is a small affiliate in a viewership area of ~200k people, so not going to give location. On air talent could easily social distance. The control room was the place where you couldn't and can't social distance or work from home. So these high and mighty mother fuckers stay at home and then put their staff in harms way? The media really is showing their true colors to people with functioning eyes and brains.
26   WookieMan   2020 Jul 16, 9:35am  

thomasdong1776 says
CBOEtrader says
What do mask wearers say is their strategy? I legit can't get one to explain it.


You must know some dumbasses.

Like Fauci...?

I also don't know that I agree. You're breathing the particle out and some stick to the mask. Let's say you have a big cough or sneeze. Those excess particles will fly through any shitty mask potentially tossing a fuck load more viral load around. Viral load may be exponentially higher after adjusting your mask on your face and then touching an elevator button. CBOE can come back with his own questions of your theory, but masks have the potential to make it worse in my opinion. Why are things getting worse with masks being required everywhere?
28   WookieMan   2020 Jul 16, 10:05am  

thomasdong1776 says
Across 22 countries, there’s an 80% correlation between non-wearing of masks and number of deaths-per-million.

thomasdong1776 says
Containment measures are critical when and where transmission rates are high.


Which country is testing more? Which government is paying hospitals $39k to kill patients because we shut everything down and hospitals are laying people off except for ER/ICU docs and nurses? And who is to blame for saying masks were not recommended for the general public? Was that not a dumbass decision?

My SIL lives in Austria. Yes they had masks early on, but they're basically open as normal from her communications with my wife. Most people are wearing masks here in the states now. 10% of the defiant, aren't going to cause some massive outbreak when only 1% of the country is testing positive. The masks should prevent that by your logic. They haven't and we're getting a spike in new cases.

There's a reason for that. We're testing more and this virus is not a remotely lethal as it's portrayed in otherwise healthy people.
29   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 16, 10:34am  

thomasdong1776 says
has put U.S. fatalities ahead of every other country on earth.


Bullshit:



30   mell   2020 Jul 16, 10:37am  

thomasdong1776 says
When people imagine that not wearing a mask in an indoor public place is somehow an expression of their “individual freedom,” or that it’s “hurting the economy,” they’re not only endangering everyone else – they’re also ensuring that much more stringent measures will be necessary later in order to avoid mass fatalities. It’s exactly the weak, dismissive response – especially early on, but then encouraged almost daily – that has put U.S. fatalities ahead of every other country on earth.


No it's not, if you adjust for variations in testing and frequency thereof pretty much all countries follow the same pattern with infections and deaths. Indoor mask use can be mandated by the owner already at their discretion. And patrons don't have to frequent. If not used very correctly makes do make things worse. And outdoor mask use is the leftoid bullshit that is completely unscientific.
31   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2020 Jul 16, 10:38am  

thomasdong1776 says
When people imagine that not wearing a mask in an indoor public place is somehow an expression of their “individual freedom,” or that it’s “hurting the economy,” they’re not only endangering everyone else – they’re also ensuring that much more stringent measures will be necessary later in order to avoid mass fatalities. It’s exactly the weak, dismissive response – especially early on, but then encouraged almost daily – that has put U.S. fatalities ahead of every other country on earth.
Can you please provide a link to any guidance documents from Dr. Fauci or the US Surgeon General regarding protecting the vulnerable elderly population with high-risk comorbidities in assisted living facilities and nursing homes from COVID-19? Whilst fatalities are rising in Florida, it is primarily in the old, sick population. Certainly in such a national pandemic emergency, there must be such guidance documents. As you seem to care about protecting folks from COVID, you must certainly be able to provide this information.
32   Onvacation   2020 Jul 16, 11:15am  

thomasdong1776 says
Across 22 countries, there’s an 80% correlation between non-wearing of masks and number of deaths-per-million.

Source? Or just becasue.
33   mell   2020 Jul 16, 11:28am  

Eric Holder says
thomasdong1776 says
has put U.S. fatalities ahead of every other country on earth.


Bullshit:





Anybody notice anything about this graph? All curves look the same cause it's a respiratory virus and those always have the same attack and decay pattern. The only thing you can do is tell the old and vulnerable to protect themselves and everyone else to use caution at their own discretion, and you can prevent hospitals from overflowing. But NOTHING will change that curve except for treatments and vaccines.
34   WookieMan   2020 Jul 16, 12:11pm  

thomasdong1776 says
It’s exactly the weak, dismissive response – especially early on, but then encouraged almost daily – that has put U.S. fatalities ahead of every other country on earth.

Nope. Find a country in the world that will pay a hospital $39k to ventilate a patient, after they tell you to shut down elective procedures and everyone is scared to even drive by a hospital. Hospitals need revenue too. They did what they had to. Our numbers are not accurate and potentially by a large factor.
35   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 16, 12:14pm  

WookieMan says

Nope. Find a country in the world that will pay a hospital $39k to ventilate a patient, after they tell you to shut down elective procedures and everyone is scared to even drive by a hospital. Hospitals need revenue too. They did what they had to. Our numbers are not accurate and potentially by a large factor.


The only reliable number is excess deaths. Because it can't be manupilated in 1st World countries (no problem in shitholes like Russia, Iran or China). And our numbers are in line with many European countries:



Better percentages than UK, Sweden, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Spain, Netherlands...
36   Misc   2020 Jul 17, 1:01am  

Let's see... there is media hysteria about Trump moving the data collections role away from the CDC. However, on the 1st day of this new policy we have seen a hospital stating that, yes, they have been fudging the number of "cases" by a multiple of 10.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/florida-lab-admits-its-covid-positivity-rate-was-inflated-90

WAPO carried the story too (it's paywalled), just in case liberals don't like this source,

People and especially politicians have been making policy decisions based on faulty data. So laws were broken. It's for the common good, right?
37   WookieMan   2020 Jul 17, 3:11am  

Misc says
People and especially politicians have been making policy decisions based on faulty data. So laws were broken.

Bingo. Even assume they are accurate, 1% of the entire country has supposedly tested positive. If you're lucky enough to be in that 1% of the country, you then have ~4% chance of dying. The vast majority of that 4% is people aged 60 and over. I think it's something like 80%. All this based on poor data that almost certainly is skewed towards the higher end.

So yeah, draconian shut downs even if you take the official, inflated data into account. People need to take some time and go to individual states and check the data themselves. This is not remotely as scary as the media makes it while they hide in their basements to create the illusion that it's so dangerous you can't even leave your home. It's BS.
38   Onvacation   2020 Jul 17, 4:57am  

WookieMan says
This is not remotely as scary as the media makes it while they hide in their basements to create the illusion that it's so dangerous you can't even leave your home. It's BS

If it was as contagious and deadly as advertised "essential" workers would be dropping like flies.
39   WookieMan   2020 Jul 17, 11:42am  

WTF. I just went to get new tires today for the car. Roll up and they have a tent outside. I literally don't get out of my fucking car. Discount Tire. I drive the car into the bay. Sit in it while they do the tire change and I back it out after they're done. Surreal. I regret not bringing some beer.

I've been to grocery stores, restaurants and shit, but it was the most bizarre thing I've ever experienced. Sitting inside a car getting jacked up and watching these guys work. lol. We're living the Twilight Zone.
40   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 17, 11:44am  

WookieMan says
I've been to grocery stores, restaurants and shit, but it was the most bizarre thing I've ever experienced. Sitting inside a car getting jacked up and watching these guys work. lol. We're living the Twilight Zone.


I guess you never done a custom alignment for a lightweight sports car. The "sit inside get jacked up and watch them work" has been a SOP for that forever. ;)

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