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New patrick.net tagline?


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2020 Jul 27, 5:43pm   1,679 views  59 comments

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Leftist violence is a huge and growing problem, but it's kind of negative as a theme for this site.

What might a better tagline for this site be?

Possibilities:

Let's discuss it.
We can all be happy.
I like America.
The airing of grievances.


Other ideas?

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1   Rin   2020 Jul 27, 5:59pm  

Here's the thing, do you want agitators for the next gen Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld? You see, just because there are these faceless antifa whack jobs out there today, doesn't prevent future whack jobs from adopting an opposing proffa visage and then, we'll have more outsourcing and new mideast wars, playing the 2001-2009 scenario all over again.

How about 'End Globalist Agenda, End Partisan Violence'?
2   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2020 Jul 27, 6:03pm  

Rin says
Here's the thing, do you want agitators for the next gen Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld? You see, just because there are these faceless antifa whack jobs out there today, doesn't prevent future whack jobs from adopting an opposing proffa visage and then, we'll have more outsourcing and new mideast wars, playing the 2001-2009 scenario all over again.

How about 'End Globalist Agenda, End Partisan Violence'?


Good ide
3   Booger   2020 Jul 27, 6:23pm  

China is asshoe!
Bill Clinton is a rapist
Biden is a pedophile
Fuck California
4   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2020 Jul 27, 6:29pm  

Make America First
5   rocketjoe79   2020 Jul 27, 7:23pm  

Maybe something about Information, sharing and freedom?

American Freedom Ideas for All
Sharing Ideas Since XXXX
Ideas without Fears
6   Rin   2020 Jul 27, 7:34pm  

rocketjoe79 says

American Freedom Ideas for All
Sharing Ideas Since XXXX
Ideas without Fears


It's a great notion here's what it's missing, the notion that there's an enemy to the above. In other words,

'While it's nice to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony' (see old Coke commercial ) ...

www.youtube.com/embed/csEXmU14N28

It doesn't end classism, globalism, jingoism, bigotry and the usual bad things that ppl do, just because we want the world to be a better place.
7   Tenpoundbass   2020 Jul 27, 7:48pm  

Patrick.net
Got a better idea?
8   Patrick   2020 Jul 27, 7:57pm  

What about a name for specific simple plan of action to make the country better?

- teach children traditional values
- traditional families are happiest
- there are only two sexes
- to end racism, stop talking about it
- build things in America
9   Rin   2020 Jul 27, 8:01pm  

Patrick says

- to end racism, stop talking about it


Not talking about it doesn't solve the problem.

Patrick says
- teach children traditional values
- traditional families are happiest
- there are only two sexes
- build things in America


This is good.
10   Patrick   2020 Jul 27, 8:06pm  

Or maybe this could become a petition site, where we come up with specific actionable proposals to be made law or Constitutional amendments and send around email petitions to sign it here.

Then we follow up and keep track of which politicians are voting for or against the proposals. We might really be able to influence something.

Possible petitions:

- all non-emergency medical bills must be presented in advance of treatment or the bill is not valid
- no tax deduction for employer insurance premiums unless everyone else gets the same deduction too
- make English the official language of the US and stop translating any government documents or signs
- mandatory prison time for all employers of illegals
- mandatory paternity testing at the birth of a child, no support liability for non-fathers
- all housing bids must be public and verified by a notary to prevent shill bids
11   Patrick   2020 Jul 27, 8:07pm  

Rin says
Patrick says

- to end racism, stop talking about it


Not talking about it doesn't solve the problem.


Morgan Freeman thinks it would indeed solve it, and I agree.

www.youtube.com/embed/I3cGfrExozQ
12   Rin   2020 Jul 27, 8:17pm  

Patrick says
Morgan Freeman thinks it would indeed solve it, and I agree.


Ok, Morgan doesn't want a Black, Jewish, Armenian, or Korean history month.

And he wants ppl to reference each other as individuals, not as a member of a race/ethnicity.

That's not the same as not talking about racism, since many ppl out there, still have tribal ideas and don't follow suit.
13   Onvacation   2020 Jul 27, 8:20pm  

Booger says
China is asshoe!
Bill Clinton is a rapist
Biden is a pedophile
Fuck California

And Epstein didn't kill his self.
14   Rin   2020 Jul 27, 8:23pm  


Booger says
China is asshoe!
Bill Clinton is a rapist
Biden is a pedophile
Fuck California


Replace China with PRC because Taiwan (though legally is still a part of China) and Singapore, a fully independent former British Colony, are majority Chinese ethnic and better than PRC.

Everything else is spot on!
15   Onvacation   2020 Jul 27, 8:25pm  

Patrick.net - Where you can say what you really think.
16   Onvacation   2020 Jul 27, 8:26pm  

Without fear for your friends, family, job, and life!
17   indc   2020 Jul 27, 9:19pm  

Patrick.net - Strives to end Soros evil plans.
18   GreaterNYCDude   2020 Jul 28, 4:33am  

All ideas matter

(Although this place tends to lean right I do enjoy the fact that differing opinions are not automatically shouted down)
19   zzyzzx   2020 Jul 28, 5:16am  

Fuck Globalism!
20   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2020 Jul 28, 5:27am  

We like pussy!
Meritocracy matters
Beer drinkers and hell raisers
21   RAPE   2020 Jul 28, 6:16pm  

Iwog finally gone!
22   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2020 Jul 28, 7:03pm  

Freedom of Information


(Something you don’t get elsewhere).
23   Automan Empire   2020 Jul 28, 8:39pm  

How about: Argue against ideas

This "all violence committed by the left" trope needs to end. Like all politics-as-sportsball, it leads people to a sense of "our side's shit doesn't stink" which ends up enabling violence on a grand scale and depth.

The right's violence tends to be institutionalized and socially accepted, that is until it impacts a proponent personally.

The war on drugs, civil asset forfeiture, eminent domain, militarization of police, private for profit prisons, the Patriot Act, the TSA, wars for neocon interests, and in recent history, the draft. All of these right wing initiatives, and usually opposed by left positions to varying accusations of being pro-crime and (unironically) anti-American. Count the people impacted and the dollar amount of the property seized, see how it stacks up to the amounts lost in recent riots.

The right is quite violent toward the advancement of their goals and ends. They have tools to fuck over many of their fellow humans wholesale. They have no need to rage in the streets like impotent people who actually don't hold power of any sort. Don't let their lack of obvious retail level violence keep you from observing their subtle but powerful wholesale violence.
24   Patrick   2020 Jul 28, 8:50pm  

Automan Empire says
The right's violence tends to be institutionalized and socially accepted, that is until it impacts a proponent personally.


OK, I'll argue against that idea.

It's simply false. There is zero institutionalized violence by conservatives. Everything you mention was supported by both nominal sides of the uni-party in DC. Nor are any of those things an attempt to suppress the Constitutional rights of anyone on the left. Not that I support them, but they are simply not violence.

If you want to talk institutional suppression, consider that all of academia, the media, big tech, and Hollywood daily suppresses all conservative points of view. Just today Twitter banned Trump Jr.

But your argument also seems to be deliberately ignoring the whole point of "End Leftist Violence". I'm talking about violent, rioting, murdering individuals. All political violence is committed only by the left these days. The most obvious proof is wearing a red MAGA hat. What will happen to you if you do that?

Can you think of anything at all that would result in similar violence from the right?

Leftist violence is now pervasive daily news, even if the media tries hard to spin it. It's overwhelmingly obvious that all political violence is from leftists alone. Why are all the riots, looting, and murders only in 100% leftist cities like NY, Seattle, Portland, and SF?
25   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 28, 9:00pm  

Right wing violence (mostly) in the USA is compartmentalized into what's called: Defense

Motherland
Family
Property
Pets

That's pretty much it aside from the rare lunatic who just as easily might have some other bend vs. right wing.
26   Shaman   2020 Jul 28, 9:01pm  

Patrick.net
“Freedom Requires Debate“
27   Patrick   2020 Jul 28, 9:02pm  

I don't even see how defense is right wing violence. Defending the country is invariably supported by both sides. Defending one's property is not at all unique to the right.
28   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 28, 9:04pm  

Left doesn't want to defend the country anymore. Violence is violence but sometimes it's not only justified but necessary.

It's funny to watch J. Peterson sometimes talk about what a dangerous person he 'might be' under the right circumstances.
29   Misc   2020 Jul 28, 9:26pm  

7/10ths of a percent of the total population is in prison. 46% of the prison population is non-violent criminals. Given that this is about 1 million people locked up, it can be argued that this is right-wing violence run amok.
30   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 28, 9:30pm  

Right, if you stretch the definition of 'violence' a whole fucking lot and pin it all on 'right wing' then sure. I agree though that many if not most of the non-violent peeps should have never been locked in prison where they just learn to be worse.
31   Patrick   2020 Jul 28, 9:37pm  

Now I'm reading https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/ and again think that the division into right and left is not really going to solve anything, even if all the violence is coming from the left now.

Why exactly are they rioting? I'm 100% sure that their stated reasons are not the real reasons.

Some of it is frustration at losing the last election, and this explains why "BLM" is mostly white. They don't really care about black lives. They care about coming up with some reason to riot, because their egos have been wounded.

But I'm sure there's more to it. I'll keep reading https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/
32   Patrick   2020 Jul 28, 9:53pm  

Misc says
7/10ths of a percent of the total population is in prison. 46% of the prison population is non-violent criminals. Given that this is about 1 million people locked up, it can be argued that this is right-wing violence run amok.


I'd say that the argument is false. Where is the violence? Being imprisoned may be an injustice if someone is not actually a criminal, but it is not inherently violent to tell someone to report to prison on such and such a date, which is how it usually works for non-violent criminals. Nor is it a right-wing idea to have prisons. Nor are all prisons dangerous. Bernie Madoff should absolutely be in prison, no? He's quite safe and it's relatively posh from what I hear.
33   Misc   2020 Jul 28, 10:25pm  

People do not volunteer to go to prison. They go because of threats of violence from the police if they do not go. Generally speaking police are considered right-wing.
34   just_passing_through   2020 Jul 28, 10:46pm  

Misc says
Generally speaking police are considered right-wing.


Yeah, in deluded minds (no poke at you) but most of the killing by authorities over the 20th century was due to 'left wing'.

35   Misc   2020 Jul 28, 11:01pm  

Ok, the police in this country are considered right-wing.
36   Eman   2020 Jul 28, 11:25pm  

Misc says
Ok, the police in this country are considered right-wing.


WOW! Ignorance has no bounds.
37   Misc   2020 Jul 28, 11:58pm  

E-man says
Misc says
Ok, the police in this country are considered right-wing.


WOW! Ignorance has no bounds.


Are you arguing that the police in this country are considered left-wing?
38   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jul 29, 12:41am  

Patrick says
Now I'm reading https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/ and again think that the division into right and left is not really going to solve anything, even if all the violence is coming from the left now.


It very well might. There's been a lot of consequence free and reduced consequences for bad behavior. Society has become very feminized, and Leftists are now openly deriding data, statistics, etc as White, Male, Anti-POC, etc. "Math is Racist". "Time as a commodity is evil Whiteness"

Sometimes societies come to a fork in a road where ONLY violence or total voluntary submission will solve the issue.

I still believe it won't come to mass violence, but there is something about a lack of consequences and limits that has resulted in a large population of spoiled white kids acting out. The first version was in the late 60s and this is an echo of that. Affluenza plays a big role.

As is the bizarre idea, gaining strength in the past century, that we can't punish the weak/poor for doing bad things, because they're poor/weak, which makes no sense and is actually an assault on equality.
39   Patrick   2020 Jul 29, 8:36am  

NoCoupForYou says
there is something about a lack of consequences and limits that has resulted in a large population of spoiled white kids acting out


I definitely agree with you there. It's like a few decades of very bad parenting coming home to roost.

An article recently pointed out that cancel culture "works" because the cancelers never have to worry about any personal repercussions for getting people fired or ruining lives in other ways.

They should have to worry about it. Maybe that is the answer. Make unfounded accusations, be subject to consequences.
40   Automan Empire   2020 Jul 29, 11:46am  

There's a relevant Heinlein quote.

“Any government will work if authority and responsibility are equal and coordinate. This does not insure “good” government, it simply insures that it will work. But such governments are rare — most people want to run things, but want no part of the blame. This used to be called the “backseat driver” syndrome.”

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