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Never go FULL Orwell

By EBGuy follow EBGuy   2020 Aug 3, 5:40pm 398 views   5 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    

Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows...
In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy.
-George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-four
Looks like the Cynical Critical Theories duo is about to achieve critical mass.
2+2 Never Equals 5
1   theoakman   ignore (0)   2020 Aug 3, 5:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Orwell definitely wrote a brilliant novel in 1984, however, he still believed socialism would be successful if implemented through democratic means. Still misguided.
2   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2020 Aug 3, 6:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Socialism can never be implemented through democratic means, it always requires force to steal the possessions and labor of those unwilling to cooperate. Socialism demands theft and there will always be those who refuse to work for free or give up their possessions and freedom.
3   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Aug 3, 7:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Socialism can never be implemented through democratic means, it always requires force to steal the possessions and labor

Oh, yes it can. A Democracy could just have a majority vote to claim property from any particular group. The key is a "Bill of Rights" that guarantees that certain rights and property cannot be voted out. Even then, we had a vote that brought in the income tax, which for most people is a direct hit on their labor. Same with Social Security.
4   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2020 Aug 3, 7:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
we had a vote that brought in the income tax, which for most people is a direct hit on their labor. Same with Social Security.


And it requires force, and threat of prison or worse to enforce it.
5   EBGuy   ignore (1)   2020 Aug 4, 3:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

We shall soon be in a world in which a man may be howled down for saying that two and two make four, in which people will persecute the heresy of calling a triangle a three-sided figure, and hang a man for maddening a mob with the news that grass is green.
-G.K. Chesterton

From the Twitter feed of Jame Lindsay. Looks like the struggle session is continuing....

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