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Donny has basically called the motherfuckers out, and even fucking SacBee admits it, lol.

More punishments for LumpenProletariat, so that after they vote Dem, they can see that the peace and bounty of the Great Socialist Paradise will return to soothe them.

If Covid madness didn't work, the next is summary firing squads for the non-conforming. If it is terror the People want, then the friends at CIA, FBI and NSA are more than happy to provide the blueprints and implementations. After all, Soros and organized crime are their allies and they know what to do.

While watching TubiTV I saw ads from PG&E telling us to turn our thermostat up to 78 to conserve energy.

The typical message is “We all should do our part.” , etc.

My part is: I use energy and I pay through the ass for it.
Your part is: Don’t run out of energy you shitheads.

Mexico seems to have enough electric power, how strange.

The thread title and most of the comments are NOT supported by the Sacramento Bee article. California consumers heeded calls to conserve energy, resulting in demand falling far below forecasts Monday and Tuesday. Attributing this to Donald Trump is a not-even-wrong level of absurd.

Automan Empire says

The thread title and most of the comments are NOT supported by the Sacramento Bee article

Not sure if serious: the thread title IS the SacBee article title.

Apply the bone tipped whips to the donkey proletariat for voting for Trump! Visit the plague, the prison, the gulag upon their heads until they return to the path of righteousness and progressive enlightenment!

No sacrifice imposed on the People is too much to assure the sanctity of the Great Socialist Paradise!

Automan Empire says

California consumers heeded calls to conserve energy,

Americans, especially californians, made a sacrifice for the greater good? lol....when you walked into walmart to get the weekly great value foodstuffs, chips and soda...was it warm in there?

Eric Holder says

the thread title IS the SacBee article title.

Whatever causation is implied by the headline is not supported by the body text. The Bee was once a very respectable publication. This is a Breitbart/Fox level headline/body text mismatch.

TrumpingTits says

You have no proof of that.

Read the article, it's in the body text between annoying ads.

People who WFH most probably did not switch off their ACs, because it's almost impossible to be productive when it gets above 80F in the house. People who currently don't work from home are usually the types who don't give a fuck about all this "flex" and "green" shit, so they probably didn't either. And I can't imagine any business shooting themselves in the foot by switching off ACs and/or equipment when they are hurting for cash as it is.

TrumpingTits says

...I ignore the power authority BS because I don't pay them for my electricity. I pay this ridiculous 'green' co-op or whatever that I along with most of Alameda County were forced to join (we don't get our power from PG&E anymore, just distribution).

I made it a point to opt out of that shit when there was a window to do so.

Sooo, they shut down San Onofre nuclear power plant which provided 20% of LA power. Then they promote WIND ENERGY as the savior to all our energy needs!

Texas, which today has a larger installed wind power base than Cali, figured something out a few years ago: sometimes, the wind dies. Right when you most need it. So, being practical like most Texans, they installed a shed-load of clean-burning natural gas combined cycle peaker power units. Problem solved.

California? Nope. So now we are suffering, like some shithole thrid world country, setting the power off without warning when you need it most. Thanks, Libtards!

Maybe the oligarchs shut off the AC to their office buildings that weren’t being used, as well as campus lecture halls and offices that are vacant, schools, etc. There are a lot of empty buildings right now that probably never got shut down properly.

I wonder if the neighbors would object to a huge propane tank and power generator on the front lawn.

Automan Empire says

Eric Holder says

the thread title IS the SacBee article title.

Whatever causation is implied by the headline is not supported by the body text. The Bee was once a very respectable publication. This is a Breitbart/Fox level headline/body text mismatch.

The headline contains two clauses, but there's no direct language that states one caused the other. I call that writhing style: "not quite lying." NYT, CNN, and WaPo are no better than Breitbar/Fox for these types of shenanigans.

Just looking at CNN headline today: "Embattled Florida Republican congressman loses primary challenge, CNN projects" That sounds like the republican party lost a primary. So, if you're a Republican, please don't bother to vote in the upcoming election because the Republican already lost in the primaries. (In some California races, top 2 go head-to-head on election day, but those top 2 aren't necessary from different parties.) Why not more direct and informative: "Franklin wins Republican primary over incumbent."

Automan Empire says

Whatever causation is implied by the headline

.... is purely in the head of the reader.

TrumpingTits says

Eric Holder says

I made it a point to opt out of that shit when there was a window to do so.

Yeah, but you pay some fee for doing so. And the math didn't work for me so...

IIRC there was no fee if one to opt out right off the bat. Later - yes, there is a fee.

rocketjoe79 says

they installed a shed-load of clean-burning natural gas combined cycle peaker power units. Problem solved.

California? Nope. So now we are suffering, like some shithole thrid world country, setting the power off without warning when you need it most.

Get your facts straight. The problem isn't a lack of connections to adequate generating capacity. The problem is some power generators holding off selling power they have readily available to California until the price rises. It's a mini Enron situation again, and like the last time people are blaming "hippie/liberal policies" while Republican businessmen manipulating the market are the actual underlying cause.

I went through a black out in San Jose. Lasted for about 3 hours and it was near downtown in a residential section.

Also the outage Newsom has said was due to conversion to wind and solar power in a move away from fossil fuels.

Wow. I remember living out in California, and it was always use less water, turn your thermostat down, don't wash your car, don't collect rainwater or will tax you, the power grid is overloaded, everyone needs to go electric, and all that other nonsense.

How is it that every other state in the United States doesn't have the same problems?meanwhile, California is supposed to be the most educated and technologically-advanced state in the country and you can't turn on your air conditioner, or wash your car without a Karen ratting on you. Unreal.

Automan Empire says

Get your facts straight. The problem isn't a lack of connections to adequate generating capacity. The problem is some power generators holding off selling power they have readily available to California until the price rises. It's a mini Enron situation again, and like the last time people are blaming "hippie/liberal policies" while Republican businessmen manipulating the market are the actual underlying cause.

I don't claim to know much about this topic, but I don't buy the finger pointing. I have a feeling whatever happened, likely could have been reasonably anticipated. The people in control should be aware of capacity, energy demand forecasts, laws, plant failure modes, the energy trading markets, and everything that matters, and they're supposed to make it all work.

If my valuables get stolen from a safe deposit box at my bank because someone hacked their locks + digital systems, I will not accept them telling me it's a robbers fault. They're supposed to anticipate that robbers exist and will try to rob them, and build adequate security and redundancy.

I heard someone say the outages happened late in the evening, right as solar production steeply drops off. It sounds like they should have anticipated a heat wave, and had agreements to buy electricity at an amenable price in such a situation. Or, build backup capacity etc...

Automan Empire says

The problem isn't a lack of connections to adequate generating capacity. The problem is some power generators holding off selling power they have readily available to California until the price rises.

Why doesn't this happen in other states? What makes California so uniquely susceptible to such manipulations?

TrumpingTits says

...I ignore the power authority BS because I don't pay them for my electricity. I pay this ridiculous 'green' co-op or whatever that I along with most of Alameda County were forced to join (we don't get our power from PG&E anymore, just distribution).

Ya me too. Its called Peninsula Clean Energy.

I looked at their energy sources: https://www.peninsulacleanenergy.com/energy-sources/
Most is solar, but some is hydro and wind.

What do they do when the sun isn't shining and the wind is calm? I doubt they have energy storage that can last very long. I guess they buy from fossil fuel/nuke plants. They say they're 100% green energy, but that must be on a net basis, where they produce more than they buy.

Eric Holder says

Why doesn't this happen in other states?

Geography and market share. Los Angeles County alone has more population than the 41 smallest states combined. Our generating capacity is at tight margins at this point in the transition toward renewable sources. However, transmission capacity has been built up after the 2000-01 Enron manipulations so that we were perfectly able to import enough electricity to not need blackouts.

The reason we ended up with blackouts was, electricity providers with excess power to sell held out waiting for the price to rise to premium levels due to the "emergency." Instead of just paying whatever multiple of the amount they can legally sell the electricity for, they forced a reduction in demand.

This was not, repeat NOT a generation or transmission problem. It was a market problem, and the blackouts were a harsh market solution. The driver was not liberal or environmental policies, but simple human greed.

Automan Empire says

The reason we ended up with blackouts was, electricity providers with excess power to sell held out waiting for the price to rise to premium levels due to the "emergency." Instead of just paying whatever multiple of whatever they can legally sell the electricity for, they forced a reduction in demand.

This was not, repeat NOT a generation or transmission problem. It was a market problem. The driver was not liberal or environmental policies, but simple human greed.

It reeks of failure of imagination. I mean how hard was it to anticipate that once CA puts itself into a vulnerable position the out-of-state providers would want to take advantage of it?

And how is it not a generation problem when we literally do not generate enough electricity to satisfy our needs and therefore forced to pay inflated prices to the outside providers?

Automan Empire says

Our generating capacity is at tight margin

You do realize that this is shitty planning all by itself, and not normal.

TrumpingTits says

Oh, and you forgot to link Trump into your conspiracy.

This is a priori, and no longer requires either links, proof or bibliography. It is Trump's essential natural guilt, known as "Trump Original Sin".

So the people in charge of PG&E are now concerned with the plight of ratepayers getting charged too much, --- Giggles to self

TrumpingTits says

Except when it says exactly what it says: California stopped an outage after Trumped ripped them for it.

I guess this is a political Rorschach test. I interpreted the headline as: "Orange Man wrong again... power never went out!"

Sounds like Trump is coupling TDS with reverse psychology to help us!

I got an email from PG&E saying that selected households would be considered for blackout amnesty if they agree to vote Biden

"Bad smoke-choked, dying-of-hyperthermia Trump doggies don't get grid."

Automan Empire says

This was not, repeat NOT a generation or transmission problem. It was a market problem, and the blackouts were a harsh market solution. The driver was not liberal or environmental policies, but simple human greed.

And this my friends is why for the past 50 years in CA we've had less and less nice shit and now we just can't have nice shit at all anymore. Unfucking believable thinking. This shit was happening BEFORE enron, AFTER enron and it's STILL happening. Expect it to get worse, much worse because of YES democrat leftist incredibility dense level of fucking stupidity.

I'll tell you what. If I lived in the next state over and I saw knuckleheads doing what they're doing here I sure as shit would raise the prices on them as high as I legally fucking can by all available means necessary. Then I'd spend it on nice shit for my family.

It'll be nice watching it all come down from afar, at least there's that. Funny, after the smoke and blackouts I started getting messages from my leftist friends up in the bay area. Some are going to move to FL and some to TX. I don't think they should go.

LOL: today NPR admitted that the blackout was caused by power plant(s) being ordered to ramp down production amid the spike in energy demand. Said it was an "innocent mistake".

FuckCCP89 says

LOL: today NPR admitted that the blackout was caused by power plant(s) being ordered to ramp down production amid the spike in energy demand. Said it was an "innocent mistake".

I just find it cynical how NPR excuses Democrats bullshit.

The reason we ended up with blackouts was, electricity providers with excess power to sell held out waiting for the price to rise to premium levels due to the "emergency." Instead of just paying whatever multiple of the amount they can legally sell the electricity for, they forced a reduction in demand.

Interesting. So did the energy hoarders shut down generating capacity? Or did they find some way to store electricity in a capacitor until the price goes up?

They have peaker units burning NAt. Gas in CA - but they can't use them without a waiver from some agency to pollute more. Which requires some sort of federal emergency declaration. It's a ridiculous system. Rife with profiteering and probably payola.

TrumpingTits says

1,000 megawatts of wind power dropping off because the wind stopped blowing faster than a Kamala Harris blow job constitutes a generation problem.

In the past we didn't have enough transmission capacity to import power when needed. Now there is plenty of transmission capacity, and the variable nature of renewables is accounted for in the planning of generating capacity. The recent power shortages were a result of out of state providers choosing not to sell to California until the price ballooned well above normal market rates. Show a list of power plant owner operators that are Democrats if you wish to assert Democrats are to blame.

just_adhom_preaching says

I'll tell you what. If I lived in the next state over and I saw knuckleheads doing what they're doing here I sure as shit would raise the prices on them as high as I legally fucking can

Nice when you spell out your corrupt morals and ethics while blaming "other political party" for the outcomes of the behavior you glorify and identify with. Good to see exactly who we're hearing from.

HeadSet says

So did the energy hoarders shut down generating capacity? Or did they find some way to store electricity in a capacitor until the price goes up?

They had "spinning reserve" available, meaning currently operating plants had generating capacity well above current local demand. They were hoping to play the Enron game of selling power for many multiples of market price, expecting utilities to buy it no matter the cost just to keep the lights on. This drove PG&E and Edison into bankruptcy, and they had to sell off their long distance transmission infastructure as part of their bailout. Blackouts suck, but I'm glad they didn't pay price gougers this time.

Automan Empire says

Nice when you spell out your corrupt morals and ethics while blaming "other political party" for the outcomes of the behavior you glorify and identify with. Good to see exactly who we're hearing from.

I always love it when a leftist tries to grade my morals. Like someone from the child molester party has any standing.

I'll add: If I could actually see you while it was happening I'd say, "Ha Ha!", and point at you.

Not only would it be beneficial for me and my family it would help to finally pull your head out of your arse and so also be beneficial for you! At this point the faster things crap out the faster a 'potential' (but I don't believe it) re-emergence of a healthy CA can come to fruition. No more of this slow boiling of frog families in the water. So many families are fucked by stupid leftist policies dictated by our semi-communist (still semi?) CA government. They just wanted to put down roots and have a nice future but no, soon they won't even be able to shower and wash cloths on the same day.

On the other hand, I don't know WTF you are talking about because it seems EVEN NPR has admitted (by the transverse property of equality) that the problem was due to CA and oopsie, no problem just a mistake because it was 'our political party'.

If not: Why the FUCK didn't California plan to prevent neighboring states from fucking them in the ass. Again!

(That is a rhetorical question I don't expect anyone with at least two brain cells that aren't fighting each other to not answer)

HeadSet says

The reason we ended up with blackouts was, electricity providers with excess power to sell held out waiting for the price to rise to premium levels due to the "emergency." Instead of just paying whatever multiple of the amount they can legally sell the electricity for, they forced a reduction in demand.

Interesting. So did the energy hoarders shut down generating capacity? Or did they find some way to store electricity in a capacitor until the price goes up?

Wow, this is very much like the CA blackouts caused by Enron in 1998 or so, for profit.

Right, if true, 22 years! It's been THAT long and we're still a target.