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By ad follow ad   2020 Sep 6, 11:59am 995 views   38 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


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https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-remote-work-anywhere-3c5ebdcd-3074-4c77-b32f-684197b596ea.html

I wonder how long this will last or will it be permanent and a major disruption on cities or regions like New York and San Francisco/Silicon Valley.

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1   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Sep 6, 12:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I think there will definitely be a permanent bump in the number of remote jobs, harming NY and SF/Silicon Valley real estate.
2   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Sep 6, 12:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is only the beginning. Why? Because like outsourcing, the CEO and boards of many companies will be under a lot of pressure to 'remote source' their employees just as much.
Why? Because a lot of money could be saved from ending leases/closing offices. It foists the costs of office space onto the employee.

My last company went from being hostile to working from home to loving it, once everyone including the CEO were forced out of the offices. CEO then told the company multiple times that they are going to close offices, etc. A total 180 degree change.
3   Rin   ignore (9)   2020 Sep 6, 12:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpingTits says

My last company went from being hostile to working from home to loving it, once everyone including the CEO were forced out of the offices. CEO then told the company multiple times that they are going to close offices, etc. A total 180 degree change.


A lot of C-level execs have a lemming mentality.

Remember the 2000s, when one big company would move jobs to Bangalore India & then all of a sudden, all the others follow suit to keep up. This phenomena only ended because the quality of work in Bangalore was shoddy and eventually, South Indian salaries weren't that competitive for the work produced.

This time, however, with hi-speed internet being ubiquitous, there's no going back.
4   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2020 Sep 6, 12:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rin says
This phenomena only ended because the quality of work in Bangalore was shoddy and eventually, South Indian salaries weren't that competitive for the work produced.


That was less of a problem, than during the day time hours in the States, the D team was answering the phones, when you called India, if you had a problem or needed to interface with development during a meeting. The actual tech people who were writing code or knew anything were home sleeping.
5   cynn   ignore (1)   2020 Sep 6, 3:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This pandemic has been such a disruptor. Companies whose business model is walk-in traffic are hosed. The hospitality industry is crippled. WeWork will be gone before the end of the year. I work for Wells Fargo, and of course they love the apparent efficiencies of remote workers. Less need for expensive offices, easier productivity tracking, fewer HR issues. But what about that culture of dynamic interaction? The informal smoke break chat that leads to an epiphany? Humans are social creatures. Offloading customer service to an obviously distant entity costs in terms of loyalty and satisfaction. Sorry, I'm rambling, but you all make good points.
6   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Sep 6, 4:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Will people miss being flogged in the live workplace by purple haired IHLs from Human Resources? They can run, but can they hide?

The upsides of social distancing. Can you wear a hockey mask while work Zooming? Workplace masturbation and porno breaks are de rigueur as long as you don't have a wide angle camera and utilize a fwap guard on the microphone.
7   Dholliday126   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 6, 5:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does anyone of a good site to troll for remote online white collar jobs? I was in healthcare for 20 years and could probably do remote consulting...
9   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2020 Sep 6, 6:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Will it start to get funny when underperforming workers are fired by email?

My work mostly requires hands on ....lots of in person work or in person validation/auditing. It may change someday, but I’d be surprised.

One of my employees is dying to work from home. Of course this employee will never develop the skills and knowledge to promote if it’s full time work from home. The employee was not pleased. But I can truthfully say I’ll never promote someone who works from home at my job.
10   Waitup   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 6, 6:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I've been working from home and will probably be in this situation well into the next year. I am planning on moving to Europe for a few months to live with a cousin and work from Europe. Is it wrong if I don't inform my company when I'm sure there will be no impact to my work hours and performance?
11   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 6, 6:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Waitup says
I am planning on moving to Europe for a few months to live with a cousin and work from Europe. Is it wrong if I don't inform my company when I'm sure there will be no impact to my work hours and performance?


Not at all. Where you live shouldn't matter if you are keeping regular hours. I've been considering moving to Costa Rica for a few months once the borders open up.
12   BayArea   ignore (1)   2020 Sep 6, 6:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rents in metro centers have dropped and suburban SFH are skyrocketing - never in a million years did I see this coming.

Record low interest rates + work from home making people want to be more comfortable at home.
13   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Sep 6, 7:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

cynn says
Really, Ceffer, your're kind of gross.


Not completely gross? I'll have to try harder. AF is in purgatory, and somebody has to take up the slack.
14   Booger   ignore (8)   2020 Sep 6, 7:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
Workplace masturbation and porno breaks are de rigueur as long as you don't have a wide angle camera and utilize a fwap guard on the microphone.


Who hasn't tried this already!
15   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (1)   2020 Sep 6, 8:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

My niece is an Computer Science graduate working from home in that field in Davao City, Philippines, all the clients are American companies.

A couple of years she told me her take home pay was between $200-$300 per month.

Working from home. In Mindanao. For American customers.

Those folks have all the same computer skills we have here, know all the same platforms, etc.
16   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 6, 8:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

B.A.C.A.H. says
My niece is an Computer Science graduate working from home in that field in Davao City, Philippines, all the clients are American companies.

A couple of years she told me her take home pay was between $200-$300 per month.

Working from home. In Mindanao. For American customers.

Those folks have all the same computer skills we have here, know all the same platforms, etc.


So she has learned that she needs to work on her negotiating skills, yes?
17   ForcedTQ   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 6, 8:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says
Rents in metro centers have dropped and suburban SFH are skyrocketing - never in a million years did I see this coming.

Record low interest rates + work from home making people want to be more comfortable at home.


Yes. What is awesome and hilarious at the same time is TPTB have instituted this shift at the direct opposition to their Agenda 21, Year 2030 bullshit ideologies.
18   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (1)   2020 Sep 6, 9:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ForcedTQ says
So she has learned that she needs to work on her negotiating skills, yes?


I'd say she has superb negotiating skills, to get and hold the job.

It's dream job in Davao City. There's thousands more where that came from, and the schools are cranking them out every year.

I have so many inlaws in the Philippines struggling to find work even though they have Nursing Degrees, passed the board exams, etc. Those who are able to immigrate to here or the UK can easily fill the nursing roles here. They are not less skilled than our US-trained nurses. Some of my nursing-trained inlaws are doing other less skilled work because they cannot get a nursing job in their country.

Computer Science Engineering is becoming like nursing. In recent decades they figured out, like in India, not much infrastructure required to master those skills. They're cranking them out like crazy, just like nursing has been.
19   FJB   ignore (9)   2020 Sep 6, 10:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Waitup says
Is it wrong if I don't inform my company when I'm sure there will be no impact to my work hours and performance?


I'd at least check. One of my peers what fired when we were sent home to work and he flew to Japan to work from there. It was back in the 14 days to bend the curve so he wasn't preventing himself from getting the covids.

Not my call, I just saw it happen.
20   ad   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 6, 10:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

B.A.C.A.H. says
Computer Science Engineering


If you can work from home and your physical presence is not required by your employer to be in an office within the USA, then you place yourself in competition with foreign and cheaper workers who can perform the same work as you.

Its the democratization or globalization of the white collar workforce and I wonder if this pandemic was created to cause this. I have heard some call it a planned pandemic or pandemic to not only timely impact Trump's reelection chances but to have other effects like disrupt the white collar office workforce.

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21   FJB   ignore (9)   2020 Sep 6, 10:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
AF is in purgatory, and somebody has to take up the slack.


Those are difficult shoes. I hope it's not too much trouble for you. Your sacrifice is very much appreciated!
22   FJB   ignore (9)   2020 Sep 6, 10:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ForcedTQ says
direct opposition to their Agenda 21


Great point! I think the anti-suburb thing is still part of sleepy joe's platform though.
23   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 7, 9:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ad says
If you can work from home and your physical presence is not required by your employer to be in an office within the USA, then you place yourself in competition with foreign and cheaper workers who can perform the same work as you.


The other beauty of working from home is that you can work multiple jobs at the same time and neither employer have to know.
24   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Sep 7, 11:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

My company requires that I work within the state of California because it simplifies their taxes and protects them from tax claims by other states.

I could temporarily work from somewhere else and no one would know, but could not actually change state or country of residence and keep my current job.

Wait, maybe country would work, since I'd still technically be a resident of California. But I definitely don't want to pay rent in two places.
25   Rin   ignore (9)   2020 Sep 7, 11:39am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Wait, maybe country would work, since I'd still technically be a resident of California. But I definitely don't want to pay rent in two places.


Can't you just get a Mailboxes Etc or UPS mail stop in CA and then, AirBnB the world?
26   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Sep 7, 12:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Is that a legal residence?
27   Rin   ignore (9)   2020 Sep 7, 12:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Is that a legal residence?


When I was working in NYC, NJ, etc, I'd kept a MA mailstop which became my home address so I only paid taxes to one state instead of several. This was before I'd bought my home in Central MA.

It's like

123 Main St, Suite 51
Cambridge MA 02141

as oppose to a POB.
28   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Sep 7, 12:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That's very interesting.

So then your mail gets forwarded, right?

Any advice on which service to use for a mailstop?
29   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Sep 7, 1:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
My company requires that I work within the state of California because it simplifies their taxes and protects them from tax claims by other states.


Yeah. Unless your company has a physical presence, that happens.

What we need is Congress to update the interstate commerce rules.Ideally when we have both the House and Senate. Then we can make a rule that you only pay state income tax for money earned in the state you actually reside in. Then sit back and watch the flood of MILLIONS of 'Californians' to other states as a result. That would royally fuck over the Blue states too. More than the SALT cap does.
30   Hircus   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 7, 2:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I heard that if you work in another state/country and its not extremely temporary (I think 14-30 days) it affects how your company needs to do accounting and taxes. ie they may owe money to the state/country you're visiting.

I also heard that some tech companies are aware that many employees are relocating to other more affordable locations, and they're monitoring this, and some are hitting people will paycuts that reflect the difference in cost of living between their current and previous locations. Some made you sign an agreement to notify them if your move or leave the country, and they may fire you if they catch you.

I plan to travel a bit soon without telling my employer, and so I've been thinking about how to avoid detection. My plan is VPN + a dedicated travel router (GL-AR750S-EXT) that has the ability to handle the VPN connection internally. Then, I will connect to the router via Ethernet cable, and disable the wifi and bluetooth in my laptop.

The problem with wifi / bluetooth is that its common now for "location services" software to scan for mac addresses of nearby wifi access points to help locate you quicker. Same for bluetooth. Their database knows that a certain mac address is the starbucks on 12th ave in NYC, for example. Your company may make you install certain endpoint management software in your laptop, and it may contains such location software, or maybe your OS does and they utilize it etc... Also, endpoint management software tends to periodically collect other stuff like IP addresses of all network interfaces.

The reason you dont want to use VPN on your laptop is because their software may be able to see it, and may see your IP change as the VPN turns on/off etc... But, if the VPN is done in an external router, and you set it up so that no network connection is possible unless its through VPN (including DNS through VPN) and then turn off your wifi/bluetooth, and connect via ethernet, the only network connection visible is an ethernet cable. IMO this is a terrific solution. I can't think of how they could detect you, so long as your VPN exit point is located somewhere acceptable. You could have the VPN exit at your own home if desired, or just rent a VPS server and install openvpn on it (its really easy using the setup script projects people have created). I plan to VPN to my home, but will maintain a backup VPS w/ openvpn and wireguard. I'm mildly averse to commercial VPN, just because they have known IPs more likely to be on a list.
31   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Sep 7, 2:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hircus says
I heard that if you work in another state/country and its not extremely temporary (I think 14-30 days) it affects how your company needs to do accounting and taxes. ie they may owe money to the state/country you're visiting.


And YOU might owe income taxes in both states, too.
32   ad   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 7, 3:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TrumpingTits says
And YOU might owe income taxes in both states, too.


The way it works is that you are taxed to the highest level. So if you remotely work for a California company in your home state or domicile of Connecticut, and your salary would equate to a 9% income tax rate in California, and a 10% income tax rate in Connecticut where you live, then you would pay 9% to California and 1% to Connecticut.

If you live in Nevada, Washington, Florida, or other states that do not have an income tax, then you would just pay the 9% income tax to California's Franchise Tax Board (FTB) in Sacramento. That is what I do living in the Florida panhandle (ie., Matt Gaetz's district) and working as an engineer and 1099 for Californian companies.

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33   ad   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 7, 3:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
That's very interesting.

So then your mail gets forwarded, right?

Any advice on which service to use for a mailstop?


I know people that use the UPS store which is like Mail Boxes ETC. They have a mailing address that seems like a physical mailing address which is the mailing address to the store. The store charges to forward mail as an additional fee if they are unable to pick up the mail at their mailbox at the store.

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34   Rin   ignore (9)   2020 Sep 7, 3:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
So then your mail gets forwarded, right?


I have to request it and I pay a one time parcel fee every month since they roll up a few pieces for the month into one sleeve or they could just charge me per letter.

Patrick says
Any advice on which service to use for a mailstop?


The service I used to have was local and is gone now so you'll have to poke around.

Hircus says
or just rent a VPS server and install openvpn on it


This is the best idea because they are VPS servers in California and don't charge a hefty fee per month. And then, you just have to VPN onto it and you'll always be seen as a California person and not someone from Montreal, VPN-ing onto a stateside corporate site while banging a hot Quebecoise.

It's not a problem anymore as my firm allows me to travel 'the world' to spread the message of how great our company is.
36   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Sep 8, 5:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ad says
Latest NPR report on Zoom Towns as part of work-from-home (WFH) trend

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2020/09/08/909680016/zoom-towns-and-the-new-housing-market-for-the-2-americas

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And, of course, they had to politicize it.
37   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2020 Sep 8, 5:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ad says
I know people that use the UPS store which is like Mail Boxes ETC. They have a mailing address that seems like a physical mailing address which is the mailing address to the store


I use the UPS store and have for a decade. Problem is: Recently I have ran into problems where creditors and financial services companies (like the ones that administer my IRA and employee stock option plans) frown on using this. See, they can do lookups that tell them that it isn't my residence but a UPS store. Federal government especially frowns on that for setting up financial accounts -- yet have zero problem with using them on your tax returns still. State governments will soon follow, I bet.
38   Booger   ignore (8)   2020 Sep 8, 5:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Waitup says
I've been working from home and will probably be in this situation well into the next year. I am planning on moving to Europe for a few months to live with a cousin and work from Europe. Is it wrong if I don't inform my company when I'm sure there will be no impact to my work hours and performance?


No!

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