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Disqus gone Dark too many Truth Bombs to manage

By Tenpoundbass follow Tenpoundbass   2020 Oct 6, 4:37pm 289 views   13 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Can't let the Constituency Chew on the Facts coming out about the illegitimate 44 oppressive regime.


Anyone able to get Disqus to load?
1   TrumpingTits   ignore (4)   2020 Oct 6, 5:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I stopped using Disqus because every other site insisted on having their own boutique version of it, which necessitated signing up over and over again.

But before Disqus had that feature, I remember using it fondly.
2   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Oct 6, 6:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I went to a tech meetup at the Disqus office in SF just to check it out a few years ago. Nothing special.

But it did give me the idea that patrick.net could become a place to comment on any site, not only those that allow comments. Going to work on that one day.
3   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2020 Oct 12, 12:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Disgust is at it again.

I guess they don't want people commenting on Joe Biden saying he's running for the Senate as a proud Democrat, or that he told people to go to iwill.com, that does not exist.

Nor do they want people commenting on the SCOTUS confirmation hearings.
4   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2020 Oct 15, 12:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

They are at it again. Today must be a real humdinger. Today, they are fucking with the logins.
5   richwicks   ignore (2)   2020 Oct 15, 1:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
Can't let the Constituency Chew on the Facts coming out about the illegitimate 44 oppressive regime.


Anyone able to get Disqus to load?


I block the site, like Facebook, it's used to trace what websites you visit.

Also, I've been banned from that site too many times to count. It's a propaganda vector.
6   richwicks   ignore (2)   2020 Oct 15, 1:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
I went to a tech meetup at the Disqus office in SF just to check it out a few years ago. Nothing special.

But it did give me the idea that patrick.net could become a place to comment on any site, not only those that allow comments. Going to work on that one day.


@Patrick, Gab had a good idea - for a little bit - it allowed you to comment on any site by just entering the site URL into a field. It was called "Dissenter".

So, you could then go to a youtube video with, I dunno, Hillary Clinton lying her ass off, and you could point out the lies. You were allowed to post links, anything you wished.

So of course that got shutdown. Why don't you re-implement it?
7   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Oct 15, 7:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

@richwicks What was the excuse for shutting it down?

I'd like to make a bookmarklet where whenever you want to comment on a url, you just click that bookmarklet, and it either creates a patrick.net post for that url, or finds one if it already exists on patrick.net.

But that would not immediately let you know if others on patrick.net had commented on that url. You'd have to click the bookmarklet to find out.

I could make a browser plugin which automatically checks patrick.net for any url you're on and displays a red dot or something if there are comments, but that would mean that the browser plugin would always be reporting urls you surf back to patrick.net, which seems creepy.
8   richwicks   ignore (2)   2020 Oct 17, 2:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
@richwicks What was the excuse for shutting it down?


@Patrick No excuse really. Firefox and Chrome banned their add in for their browser. We live in an oligarchical dictatorship.

Patrick says
I could make a browser plugin which automatically checks patrick.net for any url you're on and displays a red dot or something if there are comments, but that would mean that the browser plugin would always be reporting urls you surf back to patrick.net, which seems creepy.


I'm saying, make a comment system for EVERYTHING that cannot be controlled by the author.

Don't moderate it either. I know ways to moderate having users do it. I need to file that patent.
9   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Oct 17, 8:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

But where would the comments be stored? @richwicks
10   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2020 Oct 19, 11:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Don't moderate it either. I know ways to moderate having users do it. I need to file that patent.


the problem with "user moderation" is that someone can figure out how to use automation to basically moderate unfairly. You know like those people who have 100,000 fake twitter account followers.
11   richwicks   ignore (2)   2020 Oct 19, 1:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
But where would the comments be stored? @richwicks


@Patrick, you would have to store them yourself, like on an AWS server.

Honestly, if you made a commenting system that handled anything on the internet, that's like the prime portal for everything.

There is resistance against that, because a lot of powerful people want to produce propaganda, and when you can comment on anything - like snopes, advertisements on youtube, news articles, people can quickly compare notes and find out that what they are reading is a lie.

This is the real reason that nearly all "news" sites ended the ability to comment on articles. 20 years ago, just nerds were on the Internet, and it didn't matter if you exposed the truth, you were just some nutcase loony ranting. Today, there's been quite a change in that a decent percentage of people realize news articles do lie. It's always been this way, it's just that people are realizing it now.

Dissenter was killed, because it was dangerous. I'd go to stories and sites that had other commenting systems on them. What I saw on Dissenter were clearly people who had been banned because they were telling the truth. They weren't Nazis, they weren't crazy bigots or anything like that - they were the excommunicated. They got rid of the site. Supposedly to fold it into gab, but you can no longer just comment on anything so it's dead to me, and most everybody else that used to use it.
12   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Oct 19, 1:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Thanks for the ideas. Here are some potential issues to worry about:

What is the legal risk? I'm pretty sure it would be OK to screenshot the current browser window and comment on that, because copyright does not apply to bits that you are specifically selecting for discussion. But what about darker things, where users are threatening each other with physical violence? This has happened on patrick.net. Or uploading child porn? They might do that either because they are just sick, or deliberately to get the site shut down.

Or maybe someone sets up leftist-bots to just spam the comments with bullshit supporting China/Biden and illegals.

So there has to be some kind of moderation to deal with those things, unless the comments are completely distributed and not on any one server, like Bittorrent files.

I suppose I could just try it with patrick.net with its current moderation system.
13   richwicks   ignore (2)   2020 Oct 19, 2:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

@Patrick

Patrick says
What is the legal risk? I'm pretty sure it would be OK to screenshot the current browser window and comment on that, because copyright does not apply to bits that you are specifically selecting for discussion.


Just use a frame, or even a second window for the web browser. I'm old skool, I don't browse the web on a tablet or a phone. You'd have to figure out how to consolidate URLs that ultimately point to the same thing - youtube has 6 ways from sunday of having different URLs. I'd just concentrate on a few sites to consolidate, then worry about other popular sites later.

Patrick says
But what about darker things, where users are threatening each other with physical violence? This has happened on patrick.net. Or uploading child porn? They might do that either because they are just sick, or deliberately to get the site shut down.


Yes, this is a danger. Did I describe my idea, that I want to patent, on how to do self policing? I did a few months back, I'll do a better writeup again.

One thing that USED to be done was that a user's IP address was readily visible and available. This cut down on people doing shenanigans.

Patrick says
Or maybe someone sets up leftist-bots to just spam the comments with bullshit supporting China/Biden and illegals.


Invite only system. I'll do a writeup on my idea again. Again, you're free to use it. I wanted this software to implement it. I want to implement the concept not for websites, but for a distributed file system. I want to patent it, but to do that, I have to show it works. That's why I wanted your software. If you implement it, you have rights to it forever and I'll sign a legal agreement to that.

It's going to cost me about $10K to patent, you can use it any way you see fit, but please don't explain the process until I get patented. You'll screw me. I think I have a very good idea. You live somewhere in the Bay Area - want a coffee or even a pizza? On me. If you're near Campbell California, BlueLine Pizza is great.

Patrick says
I suppose I could just try it with patrick.net with its current moderation system.


It's a start.

People who threaten other people on these sites, they're full of crap. I once had somebody threatening to kick my ass who happened to live in this area. I told him fine, let's meet up at the Joshua Hendy Iron Man Museum in Sunnyvale at 9:00 on a Sunday night. Gave him a good description of what I'd be wearing so he could identify me and exactly the time I would be there.

The next day I berated him for not showing up and called him a coward and so on.

Of course, I didn't show up either. Think I'm nuts? I'm sure he thought I was though. People who would resort to physical violence over a disagreement - they are literally insane. These are people that should be institutionalized.

If he did show up, I would have berated him fro being nuts and dumb enough to think I'd show up to a fight for some violent thug lunatic that gets so upset over words he'd drive to a place to get into a fight. I was in a no lose situation with that one.

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