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Not to mention remote control through the internet by the alphabet agency hackers. Fraud on many levels and many fronts: fake ballots printed and passed at polls, ballots changed, no ballots but software reversing votes either endemic in software of by remote hacks (would that leave detectible digital fingerprints?).

It is clear that machine voting was sold as a potent way to implement fraud through software/hacking, and mail in votes and polling place fraud were the coup de grace.

Machine voting with the suspect machines and mail ins have been in California for a while. Time for a retroactive audit? Is this how California became a smug banana republic?

www.youtube.com/embed/R8xb6qJKJqU

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

Inputs and Outputs of Voting system are unverifiable

that is the point. Trump wins---->Biden voters claim fraud. Biden wins---->Trump voters claim fraud. The electronic system messes up credibility of the election. I am old enough to remember Diebold machines which people claimed use non-audited programming.

And a blast from Texas past:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_United_States_Senate_election_in_Texas

In Texas elections, the general rule was "The lead in the runoff always wins." In Texas Democratic primaries, which were overseen by the party, not the state government, major candidates would "hold out" by delaying reporting their final tallies so they could add additional votes if needed. That practice favored the side that initially led the runoff because it was difficult for the other side to add add enough votes to win without sparking plausible accusations of fraud.

In 1948 Coke R. Stevenson, Lyndon B. Johnson and others ran in Democratic primary election for U.S. Senate. Stevenson and Johnson advanced to a runoff election. For five days after the runoff, Stevenson appeared to hold a 112-vote lead. Then Jim Wells County amended its return, adding 202 additional votes, 200 of which were for Johnson. Johnson won the nomination by 87 votes, tantamount to election in an era when Republicans were not competitive in the South, and prompting the sobriquet "landslide Lyndon."

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

A 1948 county election in Texas PROVE!s that Trump was cheated out of his second term, which was predicted by a strange guy's chart.

Maybe it is time to posthumously indict Ike.

nope, just a historical excursion. One can find many interesting political shenanigans from past, such as critic of Lyndon Johnson committing suicide with five shots to back of his head, etc.

My point from above about voting machines though is relevant to this and also further elections. Unless there is a more or less foolproof system, one side will always cry wolf and eventually population will stop voting in distrust or violently take to streets.

You may want to read this: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-us-inability-to-count-votes-is
quite educational, I think.

I have not completely made up my mind about fraud in elections - I suspect trump was ejected with corona scare and shutdowns primarily. There is always some fraud in any elections, but the question if it mattered enough to shift election I am not sure about. If Trump has sufficiently large balls he will sue and I am ready to accept either side of convincing evidence.

Dbr6 says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

Inputs and Outputs of Voting system are unverifiable

that is the point.

The video is more than 1 hr long. Fucking AF has a retort to it in less than half an hour (being generous). Nuff said.

FuckCCP89 says

The video is more than 1 hr long.

Given this (I have not found Greenwald lying - he seems to be an honest journalist):

And the full extent of the “irregularities” and treacherous outright cheating by the Democratic National Committee in the 2016 primary race between Clinton and Sanders was never fully appreciated given how pro-Clinton the press was. As just one example, “200,000 New York City voters” — many in pro-Sanders precincts — “had been illegally wiped off the rolls and prevented from voting in the presidential primary” (for one of the best-documented histories of just how pervasive were the shenanigans and cheating in the 2016 Democratic primary across multiple key states, listen to this TrueAnon episode).

Shenanigans in last Pres elections are very likely, given that Trump was much more hated than Bernie. Can't indict Ike for Democratic voter fraud in 2016