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Does that mean we finally get to see those hot green skinned Orion women? Maybe Rin is in on the Galactic Federation and has some topless shots.

They came for the climate, but stayed for the tits.

Deep State 9 coming to a theater near you soon...

Breitbart! how fitting!

Sounds like a nice side gig for a Retiree if you ask me.

Intergalactic travel is impossible for organic life. Thousands of years travel at the speed of light.
By time something made the journey from there to here. If they managed to survive, they would have had over 20 generational changes.
The focus of the mission would have changed, and their immediate needs would have changed from curiosity to survival.
Assuming it was possible to get here, which it's NOT!

And! Man will never go to Mars on any meaningful productive exploration. Drones, robots and machines perhaps.
But I can't see an intelligent race sending machines to explore our Solar system. As that would take one hell of a machine that can keep going for thousands of years.

No wear and tear on the mechanical parts, no electrical system erosion, everything about intergalactic travel goes against every concept of physics and science.
Sure some scientist like mentally masturbate ways to get around one problem or the other, but they don't address all of the other impossibilities.
So to make things easier for them, they invented the notion of bending time and space.

I call bullshit on that as well. As everything in the Universe is hurtling through the vast void of Nothing. Nothing that is large enough to hold everything that will ever be, and still leave behind enough room for everything that ever was. Time is a man made construct, or time would be a running number. Time in the cosmic sense, is a snapshot of where the Universe is in that big void of nothingness at any given time.
So now! To go back in time, you would have to reverse the whole Universe to return back to that point and time. If possible it would be volatile and Tumultuous, destroying most of the Universe as it knocks rattles and bangs. It would be the biggest cosmic upheaval since the big bang.

And to bend space, to jump from one Star to the next, would cause so many collisions between the Stars and matter between them and the surrounding stars.
Try bending space to bring our closest star near us, and their outer planets would knock many of our planets out of orbit.
Much like happens ever few hundred million years in our galaxy as our spiral arms wrap in closer as the vortex whips the galaxy spiral arm our planet to the back side, where spiral arms get closer and stars planets start to cross each other respective orbital paths.

I believe that is where we get the anomalies, that Scientist believe are rare Asteroid strikes or rouge objects in the cosmos.
They are not stragglers at all, they are part of other star systems in adjacent galaxy spiral arms, that was brought closer as part of our Galaxy's vortex spin. Very much like a Hurricane, where on one side the bands spread out and whip around, but then on the back side they pull in closer and gets tighter, as it's thrust back out into the front side where it spreads out again.

That's the type of upheaval I would expect, IF Intergalactic travel were possible by bending space. It would be very destructive.

Not to mention it would take an object so fucking big to put between the two paths so space does bend. That the whole Universe would see this massive ginormous object as their planet and stars around them are all being dragged and whipped around and smashed into each other along the way.

What do you do with that object, when you're not using it?

1) it’s 2020
2) Trump created the Space Force last year.
3) this year the Pentagon released videos of UFOs and people basically shrugged and went back to clicking on pictures of cute kitties on Instagram.

I’m gonna add another point: we haven’t sent any manned missions to other celestial bodies like the moon in 40 years. Why is that? We have far better technology now than we did in the 70s. My damn cell phone is about 10,000 times more powerful than the best computer from that era.

To understand this we have to understand galactic politics. (Assuming other intelligent alien civilizations with advanced technology that lets them hop around the galaxy). They’ve likely been around for millions of years doing their own thing. That’s only possible if the aliens have a system of government for the galaxy. Again, any system of government is better than none at all. Anarchy is the worst situation a civilization can find itself. Any form of government is preferable.
The galaxy is no different. It would need order to maintain peace and keep sentients from blowing the shit out of their neighbors. Probably it has really rigid laws and regulations, backed up by threat of planetary sterilization for noncompliance or maybe even minor infractions.

And to top it off, such a federation would need to collect taxes. What does Earth have that they could want? Certainly not our money. And natural resources are plentiful in the galaxy. We have no inventions of galactic significance, and our cultural achievements must look really pathetic to beings with millions of years of history and refinement.

We are barbarians. The only reasons to pay attention to us out here at the fringe of the milky way in an unfashionable arm of our galaxy is 1)to study us for scientific purposes, or 2)to impose law and order on we barbarians.

That first one can be done without FirstContact on a planetary scale where the knowledge of extraterrestrials becomes ordinary and well known. It’s probably been going on for years. Got probed lately?

The second concern is keeping Earthlings from hurting or bothering other aliens in the galaxy is more problematic. They’d have to clue us all in and tell us the rules and give out threats. Oh and impose taxes of whatever sort is necessary. Probably some sort of labor or mercenary forces or whatever. We’ve got nothing else to offer them.

And that second clause would most likely be triggered by us leaving our planet and visiting other planets. Even Mars. Maybe even the moon if aliens have a base there. If we do anything beyond low earth orbit, we trigger clause #2 and get ourselves annexed by the galactic federation.

Knowing this, our leaders of the past have wisely kept us from leaving our rock. We aren’t ready. Not technologically, not culturally, and not politically. So we are buying time by sitting on our blue rock and not allowing manned missions to other places.

Shaman says

3) this year the Pentagon released videos of UFOs and people basically shrugged and went back to clicking on pictures of cute kitties on Instagram.

If you want proof that the flying tic tac is well within our Technology skill set in 2020 just look at Elon Musk's reusable rockets.

With the gyroscopes, stabilizers, and AI computing systems. It would be very easy to throw a rocket or jet engine, that has full motion from the bottom of the rocket and 90 degrees free range, out to all sides. It wouldn't be something a human can fly in, not without scrambling his brains. But it could definitely work on a drone.

I believe that video was leaked to our enemies to let them know what we are capable of, without officially declassifying it. As Russia and China's intel would understand it wasn't made by little Green Men.

As for Trump's Space Force, that's to track missile threats from around the world, monitor Meteor strikes, and possibly even serve as orbital cleaning crews, to remove retired space objects from orbit.

I believe there are millions of planets out there with intelligent life. They are all wondering the same thing we are, and are no further solving the paradox of intergalactic space travel than we are.

Shaman says

And to top it off, such a federation would need to collect taxes. What does Earth have that they could want? Certainly not our money.

Bitcoin. They don't have spreadsheets like that in the federation.

Shaman says

I’m gonna add another point: we haven’t sent any manned missions to other celestial bodies like the moon in 40 years. Why is that?

Because the United States went to the moon for public relations - to beat the Soviets, who one upped the capitalist pigs with Sputnik.

We did the most enormous feat in human history for the stupidest reason possible. There is no good reason to place men on the moon. If you want to study, get a robot, retrieve whatever and study.

A moon base would suck to live on. You'd basically be in prison until you could get off the barren lifeless rock. If we made a permanent base somewhere in our solar system, it's most likely going to be Mars, and that would be a prison. It's also likely that human beings would mutate over generations to adapt to the gravity and whatever air pressure they chose to use. They would be human after a few generations.

Anyhow, no extra-solar aliens exist, unless we have some fundamental mistakes about physics, or they have incredibly long lifespans. It would truly be alien. The energy requirements to send anything from here to say, Proxima Centauri is huge. If we sent a probe there, by the time it got there, a new generation would be collecting the data, on ANCIENT technology.

Tenpoundbass says

I believe there are millions of planets out there with intelligent life. They are all wondering the same thing we are, and are no further solving the paradox of intergalactic space travel than we are.

See, that just not a very smart statement. If millions of intelligent alien civilizations exist in the galaxy, and they have millions of years to think about the problem, they’d certainly come up with some kind of solution! Hell, our backwards barbarian scientists have come up with a theorized way of moving faster than light: warp bubble technology. There’s even a theoretical model for such a device. And we’ve been working on it for only like 50 years! We’ve just barely begun to understand the nature of our universe and you want to arrogantly proclaim that ALL IS KNOWN and THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE! That’s like an ant declaring that there is nothing beyond the backyard.

Trump does three impossible things before breakfast!

richwicks says

Anyhow, no extra-solar aliens exist, unless we have some fundamental mistakes about physics, or they have incredibly long lifespans. It would truly be alien. The energy requirements to send anything from here to say, Proxima Centauri is huge. If we sent a probe there, by the time it got there, a new generation would be collecting the data, on ANCIENT technology.

Arrogance defined. Don’t claim to know what is impossible to know. And even the most amateurish philosopher wouldn’t try to claim that the unknown can’t exist!
Ridiculous!

Shaman says

Hell, our backwards barbarian scientists have come up with a theorized way of moving faster than light: warp bubble technology.

It requires exotic matter and/or negative energy. It's possible in MATH, but we can't build it and nothing suggests we'll ever be able to build it.

Shaman says

Arrogance defined. Don’t claim to know what is impossible to know. And even the most amateurish philosopher wouldn’t try to claim that the unknown can’t exist!

Oh please. Until you demonstrate something exists, it's proper to assume it doesn't. I shouldn't assume Santa Claus is real, just because it could be a possibility. The default position is that it doesn't exist unless there's good evidence to show that it exists. This is true for everything.

From what we currently know about physics, going to the nearest star system, is practically impossible. If anything gets out of this solar system before the sun becomes a red giant, it's likely to be a sentient machine, not a human being. We, and all life, will probably go extinct in this solar system. Maybe our descendants will try to seed new solar systems if they figure out the secret to building life.

richwicks says

Until you demonstrate something exists, it's proper to assume it doesn't.

A SCIENTIST would remain agnostic about the possible existence of the unknown.
But that’s a pretty high bar to leap for 99% of everyone who thinks they are a scientist.

But on the other hand, for purposes of persuading public opinion like, say, a POLITICIAN, anything without mountains of proof or anything that’s even just unpopular or unfashionable can be easily discounted.

Which are you?

richwicks says

Shaman says

I’m gonna add another point: we haven’t sent any manned missions to other celestial bodies like the moon in 40 years. Why is that?

Because the United States went to the moon for public relations - to beat the Soviets, who one upped the capitalist pigs with Sputnik.



Any woman will tell you that "one-upmanship" is the nature of men. Like when the F-15 first came on line, The Air Force used a stripped down F-15 named "Streak Eagle" to set a new time to climb world record. Very soon after that, the Soviets dusted off a stock MiG-25 and beat that record. No important reason to do that, just men acting like men.

Shaman says

and they have millions of years to think about the problem, they’d certainly come up with some kind of solution!

There is no solution to that. It's like trying to come up with a teleportation solution, just because it is in SciFi lore.

An invisibility cloak is not a solution to being invisible. It's a fabric with dynamic print, at best. Which can be used as an illusion to those not paying attention to detail.
Remove the cloak, or stand on the other side, there is no invisibility. Best we can do is send Probes and never know the outcome.

richwicks says

unless we have some fundamental mistakes about physics,

Wouldn't be the first time.

Some new Leibnitz or Einstein will stand on the shoulders of giants and see a way no one has seen before.

Shaman says

A SCIENTIST would remain agnostic about the possible existence of the unknown.
But that’s a pretty high bar to leap for 99% of everyone who thinks they are a scientist.

But on the other hand, for purposes of persuading public opinion like, say, a POLITICIAN, anything without mountains of proof or anything that’s even just unpopular or unfashionable can be easily discounted.

Which are you?

False dichotomy - but which one do you think I am?

I qualified my statements. With known physics, we're dying as a species in this solar system. It's CONCEIVABLE we will travel to another solar system in a generational starship that rotates to simulate gravity. The problem with this is taking enough energy along to make the trip. We'd first have to have the ability to terraform planets to some extent. We'd need robots to build habitats. The ship would have to be long term self sustaining, a world upon itself.

Scientists do not remain agnostic either. I explained what I thought the problems were. I'm an engineer, as a kid I had all these ideas about colonizing space and so on, as an adult, I know a lot more.

Also, with regard to politicians, I find it's must more useful to assume they are lying until you can gain independent evidence they are not. Assuming they tell the truth until you get independent evidence to conclude they are lying - that's a very inefficient way of going about it. They lie far more often than they tell the truth.

We can't get people to take a vaccine, you want to be put in an altered state, so you can travel a thousand years?

Imagine being cryogenic frozen for a thousand years. You'll come out with less resolution and bitrate than a Mp3 over Dial up internet.

It's now Proven!!!

I agree that without faster than light space travel being possible, a galactic federation is unnecessary and thus has low probability of existence.
But we don’t know as much as we think we do.
How could we? We just barely came down from the trees. And now we have primate who call themselves engineers and doctors and scientists and claim to know what is possible and what is not. As if their puny minds could encompass the totality of reality to know that.
Truly the folly of man is the only thing without limits.

Shaman says

I agree that without faster than light space travel being possible, a galactic federation is unnecessary and thus has low probability of existence.

Why do we think that spaceships are manned (aliened?) by biological life forms and not by advanced robots? And who says that evolution will result in advancement of human civilization, as opposed to creating a technology that will substitute/replace us?

Nobody here watched the X-Files? Where the aliens' grand plan was to colonize the Earth through a virus that changed the human DNA into that of the alien, with the help a small group of wealthy, powerful people. Change this up to have the virus delivered as a "vaccine" instead.

When the plan failed, the Syndicate decided to produce a virus to wipe out the majority of the population.

Everyone here has probably seen this:

www.youtube.com/embed/BEWz4SXfyCQ

LOL the hour glass theory.

Millions of years to get here, we're teetering on world destruction in tens of thousands of years, but they believe once we master interstellar travel. We'll go on for billions of years.

LOL

If every concept is a problem to which if you concentrate long enough there can be a solution. Then why not solve mortality. If every concept is doable, then make an elixir that you take one time and you live forever, or until something kills you. It's concepts like interplanetary travel that takes resources and minds from curing cancer. Not treating curing.

Dbr6 says

Why do we think that spaceships are manned (aliened?) by biological life forms and not by advanced robots?

Could be. But any truly advanced AI is going to want a meat suit. It’s just so fucking dope to experience reality with five senses rather than two. Most of what gives enjoyment to life is tied to sensory input. Or why else would we have a sexy photo thread on this site that just won’t die?
Face it: flesh is fucking fantastic for living as a sentient being.

Tenpoundbass says

Then why not solve mortality.

That solution is closer than you know.
And the trick is, there’s more than one solution. There’s more than ten! Do your own research, but my favorite involves epigenetics and retroviral DNA editing.
If you can cling to life for thirty more years, AND have some serious coin to spend, chances are you won’t die in the next fifty. And if you can last that long, it won’t be old age that kills you.

While driving by Moffett Field at night a year ago I saw a light like a plane come in down to the field way too fast to be any normal aircraft, and then right before hitting the ground disappear in a big green flash.

I still don't know wtf that was. Guy in the car behind me got a couple of seconds of it on video and posted it to Reddit, but he didn't get the green flash.

I've read on some sites that other people have seen similar things, usually at military bases.

Might just have been a tiny meteor I guess.

I have the same recurring wet dream about aliens. Wife gets pissed cuz we have to change the sheets.

@patrick I think we both chatted about that night on here and I saw it in SD when I was driving home. It was East of Poway which I was heading toward on my commute home. Might have been in Utah for all I know.

With recent reports, it seems they may be real. If not some hi-tech shit.

Oh wait, nevermind. The earth (center of universe) is only 10K years or some shit. Impossible. My bad.

Shaman says

Could be. But any truly advanced AI is going to want a meat suit. It’s just so fucking dope to experience reality with five senses rather than two. Most of what gives enjoyment to life is tied to sensory input. Or why else would we have a sexy photo thread on this site that just won’t die?
Face it: flesh is fucking fantastic for living as a sentient being.

An AI's sensory input can be entirely simulated. It wouldn't even have need for material things to have any experience. Just electrical impulses.

just_passing_through says

patrick I think we both chatted about that night on here and I saw it in SD when I was driving home.

I kinda remember that. But I don't think it could have been the exact same one. I'm pretty sure it was on this side of the east bay hills, and coming right in to Moffett.

Patrick says

I kinda remember that. But I don't think it could have been the exact same one. I'm pretty sure it was on this side of the east bay hills, and coming right in to Moffett.

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Yeah, mine seemed like it was just over the mountain (similar to East Bay hills) I was heading toward as well. But then it was on the news that people all over CA saw it so I just guessed that it was much farther away than I'd thought.

Perhaps we did see different events. Maybe there was a meteor shower around that time?

just_passing_through says

some hi-tech shit.

100%

Patrick says

just_passing_through says

patrick I think we both chatted about that night on here and I saw it in SD when I was driving home.

I kinda remember that. But I don't think it could have been the exact same one. I'm pretty sure it was on this side of the east bay hills, and coming right in to Moffett.

This one was in Japan, but it's very similar to what I saw. Only the one in Japan is brighter both coming in and flashing, and did not flash green.

And hey, maybe this happened because someone doesn't want us listening to the aliens:

https://www.usnews.com/news/news/articles/2020-11-19/huge-puerto-rico-radio-telescope-to-close-in-blow-to-science

Aliens are OK. One gave my wife a great recipe for fried chicken and said it tasted like people.

Love the Unsolved Mysteries music in that video. Needs more Robert Stack voiceover, however.

Aliens are really good at sex.

porkchopexpress says

Aliens are really good at sex.

Umm, that anal probe you got wasn't sex.......