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One Nazi Doctor At Auschwitz "Refused To Go Along With The Program"


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2020 Dec 16, 5:17am   548 views  19 comments

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#auschwitz
Paweł Żuk
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Updated August 6, 2019
Lived in Gdańsk, Poland
During the Holocaust, is there evidence of even a single SS soldier who stopped and said: "This is immoral, I can't do this"?
Yes.

In 1947, in Poland, communist authorities began a series of trials of people accused of participating in mass murder at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

The second of these trials, confusingly called “The First Auschwitz Trial” (Pierwszy Proces Oświęcimski), involved 40 defendants - most of them highly placed officers and administrators in the camp.

Out of the forty defendants, twenty-three were sentenced to death by hanging, six to life imprisonment, seven to 15 years imprisonment, and three to 10, 5 and 3 years imprisonment respectively.

One was acquitted of all charges.

This guy: Hans Wilhelm Münch, seen in the picture wearing the uniform that might as well be synonymous with “war criminal”.


As far as the evidence suggests, Dr. Münch was a card-carrying member of the Nazi party, having joined up out of either genuine belief in their ideals, or self-serving reasons to advance his own career as a doctor and bacteriologist.

In 1943, he was recruited by the SS and sent to assist with medical experiments in Auschwitz. But something strange happened there: the hardcore Nazi/selfish bastard refused to enable the crimes of his superior, Josef Mengele, and - at great personal risk - began assisting the camp’s inmates.

First, he outright refused to participate in the infamous “selections” at the railway platform, which determined who’d be put to work, who’d be experimented upon, and who would be put to death immediately.

Second, he kept Mengele’s victims alive by coming up with elaborate fake experiments, that in reality were just cover for providing people with actual medical treatment, and keeping them from being killed as no longer useful.

And, finally, when leaving the camp ahead of the advancing Red Army, he gave his personal revolver to a prisoner.

And so, in December 1947, while people with every right to hate Nazis described the crimes of 39 defendants in detail, they surprised all the judges and prosecutors by standing up for an SS man and member of the Nazi party who worked for one of history’s greatest monsters.

Nobody really expected that, but the testimonies were so earnest, consistent and came from so many inmates, that even communist prosecutors had to concede their charges were unsubstantiated, and thus Hans Münch was permitted to leave, return to Germany and live out the rest of his life practicing medicine.

So, to sum it up: Yeah. There was a single SS soldier whose turn from evil was so complete that he faced communist justice and lived to tell the tale.

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1   WookieMan   2020 Dec 16, 5:37am  

At least there was one.... lol. He was complicit in the act even if he tried to keep them alive. He should have fled and explained how dire the situation was. Watching a crime occur in front of you and not reporting it, is generally still a crime in and of itself. My buddy shoots a guy in front of me and I help clean the wound and remove the bullet, yet don't report a crime, it's a crime. Tread lightly glorifying any Nazi bud. Not a good look.
2   ignoreme   2020 Dec 16, 7:30am  

WookieMan says
He should have fled and explained how dire the situation was.


Explained to who? It probably would have been safer to flee, I’d imagine if he were caught assisting the prisoners he would have been killed, but more people would have died.
3   GNL   2020 Dec 16, 9:28am  

WookieMan says
At least there was one.... lol. He was complicit in the act even if he tried to keep them alive. He should have fled and explained how dire the situation was. Watching a crime occur in front of you and not reporting it, is generally still a crime in and of itself. My buddy shoots a guy in front of me and I help clean the wound and remove the bullet, yet don't report a crime, it's a crime. Tread lightly glorifying any Nazi bud. Not a good look.

Bravery is bravery.
4   Zak   2020 Dec 16, 9:49am  

@wookieman Is that what you would tell the prisoners who testified on his behalf? It seems so strange that you would think you know better than the people who were actually there and said this guy was not only innocent, but vehemently defended him... Why do you think it is you disagree with the people who were there?
5   WookieMan   2020 Dec 16, 9:55am  

ignoreme says
I’d imagine if he were caught assisting the prisoners he would have been killed, but more people would have died.

I get that, but there's no telling how many less could have died if he did something beyond "special research" or whatever to save Jews. This didn't happen overnight. He was one person and witnessed atrocity over and over. Great a few Jews vouched for him. He's a hero. How about all the others that died while he watched it?

He's a blip on the radar that could have done far greater getting the fuck out of Germany. Maybe some wouldn't have believed him. But sitting there saving even 100 people is a rounding error with what happened. To not think there's blood on his hands is ridiculous.

WineHorror1 says
Bravery is bravery.

I know. Something like killing every commanding officer telling you to kill people is bravery. He just watched it and saved a few. Congrats I guess?

Zak says
Is that what you would tell the prisoners who testified on his behalf?

Not disputing that. Not saying he wasn't "helpful" to Jews in concentration camps. He could have been more helpful after knowingly witnessing outright torture and murder. That's really indisputable. Just because you help 1% of people and watch the other 99% die a miserable death doesn't make it good or right is my point.

Little surprised the reaction here.
6   Onvacation   2020 Dec 16, 10:01am  

WookieMan says
I get that, but there's no telling how many less could have died if he did something beyond "special research" or whatever to save Jews.

If told I must wear a mask to buy food, I put on the fucking mask.

You could be thrown in a concentration camp for having the wrong book on your shelf in Nazi Germany. I'm not sure what this guy could have done different and still survived.
7   richwicks   2020 Dec 16, 10:08am  

WookieMan says
Not disputing that. Not saying he wasn't "helpful" to Jews in concentration camps. He could have been more helpful after knowingly witnessing outright torture and murder. That's really indisputable. Just because you help 1% of people and watch the other 99% die a miserable death doesn't make it good or right is my point.


What utter BS. 99.9% of people go along to get along. That's the cold hard truth. They're afraid to speak out, they are cowed into silence, and they don't even protest. Most will simply accept the situation and then promote it. When have YOU ever taken a stand against a majority? I do it all the time, and I see I'm ENTIRELY alone when I do this. You face ENORMOUS criticism when you do this, even after you've been proven right years later, you will NEVER get an apology when you are proven right.

We're going through a coup d'état in this country right now. It's going to be successful, because we're not the land of the free nor of the brave. Most people all over the world are abject cowards and any bravery they have is foisted on them. Almost everybody will see 5 fingers when only 4 are shown if ordered to. That's the sad reality and you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

www.youtube.com/embed/TYIh4MkcfJA

This is why there are "opinion polls" created, its to influence opinion and it is effective. Only 1/2 the population suspects there's a coup going on, but over time, they will yield more and more. I'm well acquainted with propaganda techniques and spent a considerable amount of time studying psychology so I'm more immune than most, but I'm well aware I'm not entirely immune. I'm not a reed that bends in the wind, and I realize I will eventually break but I'd rather go through life as a man and not a sheep. Very few men exist.

If you were a doctor in a Nazi concentration camp, it's almost certain you would have simply followed orders and never resisted. Psychologists were used to create the conditions and unless you were familiar with state of the art mind control at the time, it's almost certain you would have conformed. It's easy to criticize 70 years later, but even TODAY, if you were placed in this same exact position as this doctor was, it's very unlikely you'd resist, even after I've given you this beat down, even knowing how you think and how you're controlled, you are unlikely to be able to resist it.
8   WookieMan   2020 Dec 16, 10:13am  

Onvacation says
If told I must wear a mask to buy food, I put on the fucking mask.

You could be thrown in a concentration camp for having the wrong book on your shelf in Nazi Germany. I'm not sure what this guy could have done different and still survived.

I hear you, but a mask is different, albeit getting on the slippery slope of control. Not saying one should do this currently, but I'd say fuck it and start shooting all the officers at the camp. Fuck it. I'd get taken out for sure. But change can't be made silently. Look at fucking BLM and all these other fringe groups. That's why we got the Nazi's, silence. Everyone just sat there and watched it, instead of fighting.
9   richwicks   2020 Dec 16, 10:18am  

WookieMan says
I hear you, but a mask is different, albeit getting on the slippery slope of control. Not saying one should do this currently, but I'd say fuck it and start shooting all the officers at the camp. Fuck it. I'd get taken out for sure


You are full of shit. This is what you'd HOPE you'd do, not what you'd ACTUALLY do. Most people are filled with such delusions because it makes them more comfortable.

Once Biden is installed as president, he's going to resume murdering people in the Middle East to occupy 3rd world nations to control their resources and continue to build bases to make permanent oversight on those nations once they are conquered. He's going to murder plenty of people, and he's going to use the US military to do it, and make you pay for it. He's going to allow, and encourage, censorship and attack the Constitution. He will weaponize the IRS against critics of this policy. You know what you'll do about this? Absolutely nothing.

I daresay you won't even speak out. That's difficult enough. I'm tired of people's false bravado.
10   WookieMan   2020 Dec 16, 10:46am  

richwicks says
You are full of shit. This is what you'd HOPE you'd do, not what you'd ACTUALLY do. Most people are filled with such delusions because it makes them more comfortable.

Your assumptions are false. If I'm personally watching humans be tortured and murdered, I do something. Even if it risks my own life. It's not false bravado. I've put myself in risky situations over less than another human being gassed.
11   richwicks   2020 Dec 16, 11:07am  

WookieMan says
Your assumptions are false. If I'm personally watching humans be tortured and murdered, I do something. Even if it risks my own life. It's not false bravado. I've put myself in risky situations over less than another human being gassed.


We will see. Should we ever have political dissident camps, I'm certain to go to one, and will be one of the first to die in one.

Ever quit a job because you've been asked to do something unethical? I have. Only the shit floats to the top now, that's what I've learned. There was a time engineers simply refused to place in backdoors into products, that they respected privacy. I had to take an ethics course when I was in college, and I still follow it. It's quite clear I'm in a minority now. There was a time when people would simply quit companies because they were asked to do something unethical in droves - but look at Google today - it's filled with unethical people. Facebook is nothing but unethical people.

People won't even risk their cushy job, much less their lives. Until you're actually there, you do not know what you will do.

Like I said, we're undergoing a coup right now. Few people will even speak up. There's a little over 1,000 comments in there, go through them.

www.youtube.com/embed/7eW19WTQtcQ

That's the pitiful number of people speaking up, out of a nation of 330 million people. Isn't it odd that the most popular president in the history of the nation seems to have such a stunning lack of support from his phantom supporters? It's obvious what is going on, but people cower in fear.
12   Onvacation   2020 Dec 16, 11:36am  

richwicks says


www.youtube.com/embed/7eW19WTQtcQ

Biden starts talking right after 46 minute mark.

"The votes were counted, then counted, then counted again!"
Joe Biden

Check out the freaky sign language girl. S(He) really puts emotion into her signing.
13   Ceffer   2020 Dec 16, 11:38am  

Onvacation says
Check out the freaky sign language girl. S(He) really puts emotion into her signing.

I'm waiting for one of these virtue signaling female hand talkers to start finger fucking themselves to orgasm during the speeches, tongue lolling out and eyes rolling up into their heads.
14   Onvacation   2020 Dec 16, 11:40am  

Ceffer says
virtue signaling female hand talkers

So you think it's a woman?
15   Bd6r   2020 Dec 16, 2:36pm  

richwicks says
We will see. Should we ever have political dissident camps, I'm certain to go to one, and will be one of the first to die in one.

More likely it will be like late Soviet times. If you are a janitor working minimum-wage job and living in semi-poverty, you can spout off as much as you want. If you are slightly higher on earnings scale, then it is a different issue and you will become a janitor soon after you say something unacceptable... Only relatively few more visible people were incarcerated at those times, just to instill fear in the rest.
16   Patrick   2020 Dec 16, 7:29pm  

It's already that way right now in Bay Area tech.

If you support Trump, you can easily be fired, and never hired again. The HR people all know each other.
17   Shaman   2020 Dec 17, 8:52am  

Thousands of doctors have been complicit THIS FUCKING YEAR in killing hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens by knowingly subjecting them to malpractice and lack of appropriate care, sticking them on ventilators and drugging them up until they die of respiratory failure and cardiac arrest. And why? Because they were told that this was “established practice” and if they stepped out of line they were on their own. So all these medical professionals including fucking nurses, went along with treatment they fucking KNEW would kill the patients just because it was personally beneficial to themselves to do so. They got fat bonuses for being Covid doctors and their Kevorkianesque “care” killed up to 50% more than would have otherwise died with normal bronchitis medication, steroids and anti inflammatory medications. They even refused to HCQ as an off label prescription, something they do ALL THE TIME because it was politically unpopular and could have got them branded as a “Trump supporter.”

The level of abject cowardice and frankly self interested evil we’ve seen this year from our medical professionals should have destroyed any credibility they once had. But thanks to the greater population being sheeple and easily swayed by government media propaganda, patients are still checking themselves in at ERs with minor Covid symptoms to die from abject and evil medical malpractice.

Fuck!
How are doctors in 2020 any better than Joseph Mengele? They’ve certainly racked up a comparable body count!

OPs wife is a doctor so he says. They’ve also come into a lot of extra money lately, paying off their house and buying him a new $100,000 Tesla.
I wonder what Elena’s body count is up to? Have to do something for all that money.
18   WookieMan   2020 Dec 17, 9:09am  

Shaman says
The level of abject cowardice and frankly self interested evil we’ve seen this year from our medical professionals should have destroyed any credibility they once had. But thanks to the greater population being sheeple and easily swayed by government media propaganda, patients are still checking themselves in at ERs with minor Covid symptoms to die from abject and evil medical malpractice.

Media malpractice. Not medical. Medical there are consequences. Media, never. We need to shift the terms and words. Propaganda is a buzz word. I actually like media malpractice. It's literally killing people and the media needs to be held accountable.

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