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Patrick says

BULLSHIT

He actually died of a heart attack.

We are living Orwell. There's no doubt about that.

Media is the biggest enemy to EVERYONE. Not just the US and its people. We regulate the fuck out of everything in this country yet media gets a free pass? They literally can almost say and print whatever they want. If they're wrong and found out, "ohhh sorry" and "maybe" a redaction. That's literally it in 99.9% of their bullshit. Sometimes they get sued. But when you get hundreds of millions of revenue, if not billions, what is $400k on 2 well paid lawyers to shut someone up?

We mock Realtors, lawyers, car salesmen, etc. I'm beginning to believe that "journalist" and media are substantially worse than those 3 combined. Assuming no shocking election change, Trump's legacy will be that he made Americans challenge what they're being told. We'll be told that he was divisive by the same people that are dividing and controlling.

I hope he got enough people's attention. Censorship and outright lies are scary and I think he woke some people up.

Patrick says

There are of course a zillion scare stories like this one:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/29/luke-letlow-covid-louisiana-congress/

Luke Letlow, GOP congressman-elect from Louisiana, dies of covid-19

Luke Letlow, a congressman-elect from Louisiana, died of covid-19 on Tuesday at a hospital in Shreveport, according to state officials.

Letlow, 41, won a runoff earlier this month to represent the state’s 5th Congressional District, succeeding his former boss, Rep. Ralph Abraham (R-La.), who did not run again after three terms in Congress.

BULLSHIT

He actually died of a heart attack.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/congressman...

He died of a heart attack during an operation related to the virus, i.e. he died of complications due to Covid-19. If he hadn't caught the virus his health wouldn't have deteriorated and he wouldn't have needed the operation that he died during. So he died due to Covid-19 is a fact. From later in the linked article which you didn't quote:
"LSU Health Shreveport Chancellor G.E. Ghali confirmed Letlow underwent an operation related to the virus and later went into cardiac arrest."

astronut97 says

He died of a heart attack during an operation related to the virus, i.e. he died of complications due to Covid-19. If he hadn't caught the virus his health wouldn't have deteriorated and he wouldn't have needed the operation that he died during. So he died due to Covid-19 is a fact. From later in the linked article which you didn't quote:
"LSU Health Shreveport Chancellor G.E. Ghali confirmed Letlow underwent an operation related to the virus and later went into cardiac arrest."

No way a healthy person has a heart attack unless it was a botched operation or he had health issues. This is medical fact. Sure Covid made him sick, but he was likely on the verge of a heart attack anyway. Cancer patients die of heart attacks plenty. We don't say the heart attack was the cause. It was the organ the cancer was affecting that failed and resulted in a heart attack. It was cancer though as cause of death.

This isn't that complicated. He could have gotten food poisoning and had a heart attack. Whether one looks healthy or not is moot. Look at the one guy from the biggest loser that had a heart attack some years back. "He was healthy" is all we heard. He lived fortunately. Flu may have killed him though. Most people have underlying conditions they don't know about. Could be cancer. Could be heart disease. Once you hit 30 all bets are off for underlying conditions. Covid barely kills those people. You're buying into a media lie.

astronut97 says

He died of a heart attack during an operation related to the virus

What operation do they do for covid? Genuinely curious.

WookieMan says

Media is the biggest enemy to EVERYONE.

Bannon was right.

The media is the opposition party.

WookieMan says

astronut97 says

He died of a heart attack during an operation related to the virus, i.e. he died of complications due to Covid-19. If he hadn't caught the virus his health wouldn't have deteriorated and he wouldn't have needed the operation that he died during. So he died due to Covid-19 is a fact. From later in the linked article which you didn't quote:
"LSU Health Shreveport Chancellor G.E. Ghali confirmed Letlow underwent an operation related to the virus and later went into cardiac arrest."

No way a healthy person has a heart attack unless it was a botched operation or he had health issues. This is medical fact. Sure Covid made him sick, but he was likely on the verge of a heart attack anyway. Cancer patients die of heart attacks plenty. We don't say the heart attack was the cause. It was the organ the cancer was affecting that failed and resulted in a heart attack. It was cancer tho...

Where is you medical degree? I'm friends with a guy who was healthy as a horse until he caught a virus. It damaged his heart value which they replace but later on it weakened his heart to the point he needed a heart transplant. Viruses can cause severe damage to the body regardless of your good/bad health. So stfu unless you have actual medical experience!

One anecdote does not reality make. Sure, even the flu can cause organ damage. That is not new with Wuhan Virus.

Most people who catch it are fine. 99.7% survive, compared to 99.9% with the flu. So it's about 3x worse than the flu overall.

It's not the plague. The reaction to it has been ridiculous. This unjustified reaction has made the richest people in the world far richer, and the middle class much poorer, and given government a lot more power, which they will not voluntarily give back.

We should end all lockdowns and no one should be wearing a mask outdoors, ever.

If you're afraid of it, fine, stay home. Just don't impose ineffective restrictions on other people.

astronut97 says

Viruses can cause severe damage to the body regardless of your good/bad health.

They can and almost all viruses do that to the healthy in a few fringe cases. EBV, CMV and the flu all can go to the heart muscle in rare cases and cause serious issues from infection and resulting inflammation. The vast majority though dies from comorbidities and/or old age and complications thereof. Still we have never locked down anything as long as these viruses have been around. The only way is herd immunity and vaccinating high risk groups voluntarily. Like we do for the flu. The reason not more people get or die from the flu each year is because of immune imprinting from past exposure. Vaccination is only a tool for the high risk people but overall vastly inferior and far more dangerous (due to ADE and serious side effects) than the protection you get from a previous infection/exposure. This is especially true for mutating viruses. The ones that never mutate can theoretically be eradicated by mass vaccination but that's only useful for really dangerous diseases. Highlighting these rare deaths of low risk people is media fear porn for their bidders and totally shameful.

astronut97 says

Where is you medical degree? I'm friends with a guy who was healthy as a horse until he caught a virus. It damaged his heart value which they replace but later on it weakened his heart to the point he needed a heart transplant. Viruses can cause severe damage to the body regardless of your good/bad health. So stfu unless you have actual medical experience!

I know plenty of them and plenty of people that are dealing with covid patients. So no, I don't need a medical degree. You completely ignore my comparison to Bob (I think is his name) the trainer for the Biggest Loser show. Healthy as a horse and almost died of a heart attack. Heck, didn't even have a virus or infection of any kind...

You also don't know what people do in their private lives. Sure they look healthy, but maybe they have $100/day cocaine habit that you didn't know about and they hid from everyone. Covid on its own is ridiculously harmless. Of positive tested cases, of people I know, I'm past 50 at this point. It has really ramped up here in IL. Only one person struggled (not hospitalized) because he was withdrawing from MJ because he had to quit and help his lungs recover. 90% thought they had a sinus infection and lost taste/smell. Oh the horror.

People have to stop with these fringe cases where "the completely healthy person" dies or has long lasting effects. Yes it happens. You have a better chance of winning a $10M lottery ticket though.

WookieMan says

So no, I don't need a medical degree.

Also, for the record, an MD has fewer analytical courses than let's say a degree in Applied Chemistry/Chemical Engineering, my former program.

An MD is a series of courses in the biosciences mainly geared towards memorization for the USMLE boards ...

Anatomy & Physiology
Microbiology & Immunology
Biochemistry
Neuroscience
Pathology
Endocrinology
Embryology
Histology

and then after the basic sciences, some 1.5 years of rotations in the clinics to learn the various areas in internal medicine and surgery.

All and all, this is not very intellectually impressive especially against coursework like thermodynamics, transport phenomena, and control theory or anything in many graduate engineering programs out there.

WookieMan says

90% thought they had a sinus infection and lost taste/smell.

That is exactly what happened to my boss last week. She has a "sinus infection" that lasted one single day, and so she got tested for Covid. She came back positive, and since I was in a meeting with her I now have a 14 day quarantine and have to get a Covid test. She had no symptoms at all except that sinus issue. She is 63.

Most people who are skinny are considered healthy, even though their blood pressure and cholesterol may be through the roof

theoakman says

Most people who are skinny are considered healthy, even though their blood pressure and cholesterol may be through the roof

That's me. High BP. Mainly hereditary as I'm generally thin and within my normal weight for my height. I've gained 15lbs with my broken heel though. Finished my last PT appointment 2 day ago and am clear to start doing shit again. Never broke anything in my life. Worst 4 months of my life. Need to get the weight back down now as I don't need to compound it.

HeadSet says

That is exactly what happened to my boss last week. She has a "sinus infection" that lasted one single day, and so she got tested for Covid. She came back positive, and since I was in a meeting with her I now have a 14 day quarantine and have to get a Covid test. She had no symptoms at all except that sinus issue. She is 63.

That's literally what Covid is. I'm convinced of this. I lose taste and smell with a cold or regular flu. It's legitimate brainwashing at this point. My SIL got rona over in Austria and her biggest problem is that she started having panic attacks because she thought she was going to die. A statistical impossibility really. Headache and smell/taste were her only symptoms. Media is a dangerous thing with everyone connected to the internet now. So much manipulation and/or putting blinders on and regurgitating shit.

Media lies abt chance there is opportunity to gain. I learned all articles, even innocent once are all paid sponsored and meant for some bigger deal. I hate most media really at this point because of constant dishonesty.

WookieMan says

theoakman says

Most people who are skinny are considered healthy, even though their blood pressure and cholesterol may be through the roof

That's me. High BP. Mainly hereditary as I'm generally thin and within my normal weight for my height. I've gained 15lbs with my broken heel though. Finished my last PT appointment 2 day ago and am clear to start doing shit again. Never broke anything in my life. Worst 4 months of my life. Need to get the weight back down now as I don't need to compound it.

HeadSet says

That is exactly what happened to my boss last week. She has a "sinus infection" that lasted one single day, and so she got tested for Covid. She came back positive, and since I was in a meeting with her I now have a 14 day quarantine and have to get a Covid test. She had no symptoms at all except that sinus iss...

I had similar issues in my 20s. Injuries to hip, knees, and back at different times. Went through PT 4 or 5 times and only was able to get up and do legit exercise after about 8 years of stagnation. But same, I am not overweight, but run high BP and cholesterol. It's genetic and I'm on meds for both now since I turned 40.

My father, a physician (age 69), has been battling Wuhan virus for nearly 3 weeks. He's down 14 pounds, no taste, smell. Refused any treatment or meds. He said he's slowly getting better. It's obviously dangerous to most over 70 as you are generally not in good health beyond that age and it exponentially increases beyond that. This virus is not killing off people in good health.

WookieMan says

People have to stop with these fringe cases where "the completely healthy person" dies or has long lasting effects. Yes it happens. You have a better chance of winning a $10M lottery ticket though.

The problem is twofold:

1. the media always stokes irrational fear because that is what gets attention (and in this case, it's also what pleases the oligarchy)
2. the public always falls for the irrational fear and spreads those articles because we are tuned to look for danger and warn others about it

I would just ignore the whole damn thing, but the fear is being used to violate our rights, kill the economy, and give more money to the rich and more power to government.

Patrick says

1. the media always stokes irrational fear because that is what gets attention (and in this case, it's also what pleases the oligarchy)

Ad revenue too. Clickbait type shit. If one outlet gains traction with a story the rest follow. Clients will start bitching if ABC ran a story and had better ratings and CBS didn't. The goal in "journalism", is to make money. Threre of course could be oligarchs involved. But we need to end this dogma of media being infallible. Probably Trump's biggest success, although media has been working endlessly to fight it.

Literally just got a notification in the corner of my screen now with all of Trump's failures from NBC. He's a lame duck.... Why would you keep going after him? Ahhhhhh, because you (media) got called out on your bullshit. I wouldn't be shocked to find out that major networks just aired Biden ads without compensation. There's no way we'd ever know.

Patrick says

2. the public always falls for the irrational fear and spreads those articles because we are tuned to look for danger and warn others about it

This is the biggest problem. Fear. Fear. Fear. Fear of a job loss. Fear of a virus. Fear of a war. It's so easy to manipulate the human mind. I've done it here on Patnet with certain users with great success. It's really not hard to make one question oneself with what they do. It's not trolling per se, but making someone question something they normally wouldn't. Richwicks is pretty good at it, though not sure if it's intentional, it might just be who he is based on the writing style (not an insult Rich).

Fact is the world in 2020 really isn't a scary place. There's not much to fear. What we fear is what is fed to us from media. All of us will get food and water. We'll all have a roof over our head if we so choose. We should fear media. Seek out more independent sources for your news that aren't getting $40k during a commercial break. There's been one narrative forever by MSM and now we have different sources. I think we're in the early stages of a pretty major transition in media.

How we can transition away from getting news from the legacy media toward independent reporting?

How do you even find those stories when Google blocks them and Duck Duck Go doesn't know where to look?

Wife: Did I get fat during COVID?
Husband: You weren't really that skinny to begin with.
Time of death: 11:09am
Cause: COVID-19

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astronut97 says

What's wrong with you that you have no empathy for other people?

What's wrong with you that you can't see the idiocy of masks?

astronut97 says

Really, it's not that much of an inconvenience to ask people to wear a mask so that other people wont' die. What's wrong with you that you have no empathy for other people?

Well, in the beginning, at least in Mass, they were doing it right in certain places. The food stores had a special time slot, usually 7AM to 9AM, where only patrons, 65 and older, were allowed to shop. And then, at other times, the general population was allowed in.

Then, they stopped it.

astronut97 says

Patrick says

One anecdote does not reality make. Sure, even the flu can cause organ damage. That is not new with Wuhan Virus.

Most people who catch it are fine. 99.7% survive, compared to 99.9% with the flu. So it's about 3x worse than the flu overall.

It's not the plague. The reaction to it has been ridiculous. This unjustified reaction has made the richest people in the world far richer, and the middle class much poorer, and given government a lot more power, which they will not voluntarily give back.

We should end all lockdowns and no one should be wearing a mask outdoors, ever.

If you're afraid of it, fine, stay home. Just don't impose ineffective restrictions on other people.

The issue is that it is a lot more transmissible and therefore more people get it and so quite a bit more people are affected and die and makes it much more than just three times worse than the flu...

Don't be daft. Masks are entirely unproven and people can and should stay at home if they want zero risk. You can order everything online today. by your logic everyone must always wear a mask since the flu kills up to 100k every year. Be the first one to volunteer 24/7 365 days pls even if you show no symptoms. Also we should preemptively incarcerate black people by your logic since it will significantly reduce the number of homicides per year the data shows. Man wake up and smell the constitution there's a good reason all of this is unconstitutional.

astronut97 says

What's wrong with you that you have no empathy for other people?

Show us data that masks have reduced cases and deaths from when we were unmasked at the beginning of this? You can't. Mask mandates didn't start kicking in until late May and June. March still had mass gatherings going like sports and concerts. We don't have that now masked up. The data doesn't support masks working. It's a virus. Sick people go out in public, touch things and spread it. Cat is out of the bag.

I honestly don't have empathy for those dying. They lived a full life. Being old is a constant risk of a slip and fall, a cold, flu, covid, cancer etc. Reduce your risk. A mask simply doesn't do that. Likely puts them more at risk as they're touching their faces 5-10x's more than usual adjusting a mask. 10's of millions of children sitting at home remote learning is a far more devastating metric. 10's of millions not working and gaining new skills or honing existing ones is far worse. Municipalities that were already broke losing 50% of their revenue that is going to result in massive layoff this year likely.

2M could die from this I wouldn't care one bit. We're totally destroying the productive part of our society. What happens when you're 80 and get Covid and go to a hospital that is shut down or no one want to work in the field anymore because of "fear." The reaction is causing far more issues than the virus. Indisputable. Let the old die. Who gives a fuck.