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Virtual Land Valuation

By ThatGuy follow ThatGuy   2021 Jan 12, 8:09pm 545 views   39 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


I'm looking into risking some money in Crypto. I'm putting some money into Decentraland, it's a virtual world, there are 90,000 plots, all are sold. These plots make up a 3D virtual city and it's all programmable, they just partnered up with Unity. The currency of the land is called MANA and the cheapest land is selling for about $1000 per plot, but people are asking for $10/month in rent, or giving free rent because they can't use it. What would a real world purchase price be on land that rents at that rate?
1   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Jan 12, 9:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why not just buy a portion of the Brooklyn Bridge, at least that is “real” estate!

The taxes alone in Decentraland will eat all your profits, and don’t even get me started on the lack of airports near the 3D virtual city. The commute will kill you.

(Sarcasm off)
2   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 12, 9:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Do you remember all the people selling virtual gold 15 years ago for video games?

Where are these people now? Where are those video games now?

Find a virtual currency, outside the banking system, that has a transaction time under 2 seconds and is highly divisible with little or no overhead. You find that, and you have a winner. Please alert me to finding such a winner.

Bitcoin isn't a virtual currency, it's a virtual tulip bulb - that's not to say it won't go to insane valuations, but I'm telling you it's not a currency and nothing I've seen so far indicates it will ever be.

A blockchain currency has to be 1) fast 2) divisible 3) easy to use. 1 and 2 are absolutely necessary, 3 can be solved with software.
3   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2021 Jan 13, 12:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You can buy Junk Land in just about every state in the Union, even in NYS there is junk land, for less than $10k
4   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2021 Jan 13, 12:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThatGuy says
I'm looking into risking some money in Crypto. I'm putting some money into Decentraland, it's a virtual world, there are 90,000 plots, all are sold. These plots make up a 3D virtual city and it's all programmable, they just partnered up with Unity. The currency of the land is called MANA and the cheapest land is selling for about $1000 per plot, but people are asking for $10/month in rent, or giving free rent because they can't use it. What would a real world purchase price be on land that rents at that rate?


How many acres? Is it linked to telephone/internet? Where is the nearest second hand furniture store so I can get an Al Bundy Chair?
5   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Jan 13, 12:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NoCoupForYou says
How many acres? Is it linked to telephone/internet? Where is the nearest second hand furniture store so I can get an Al Bundy Chair?

Important considerations. Does the land have a sewer connection?
6   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2021 Jan 13, 12:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Important considerations. Does the land have a sewer connection?





What are the building codes like? Can I bring my single-wide if I build a foundation? When can I move in? Who is running for sheriff?
7   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Jan 13, 12:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does it have a HOA?
8   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2021 Jan 13, 8:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I think you are on to something. You just need to buy a news outlet to shill for it 24/7 for years to get it to rise, then you can sell off and get out rich!
9   ThatGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Jan 13, 9:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I knew you guys would have some quality feedback!

So far, there are no taxes, HOAs, telephone, sheriffs or sewers. There is a store to sell you shit like clothing and furniture.

I'm wondering if there is good money in starting a HOA, lol. Or starting a NAR and taking 6% of each transaction!

There is some sort of 'DAO' like a government, maybe it could be hijacked! Its all the rage these days.

Its unclear if I can run a pornography ring out of a 16m x 16m plot... It has mature content but no age verification.

To answer my own question, I read that a favorable annual rent-to-purchase ratio is 15. So $120/yr * 15 = puts fair ownership value at $1800

Maybe not such a bad deal? I'm looking for high-risk investments, if big tech buys in it might work out... if it doesn't I'm left holding a bag
10   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2021 Jan 13, 9:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is a joke right?
11   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2021 Jan 13, 9:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If you're looking for a risky investment try overstock's tZERO platform.

Yeah, it involves crypto but basically it lets you lease anything. If you're Mick Jagger you can lease (or give part ownership) your lips out. In fractions.

So real world shit not virtual.

It's not there yet but that's their long term plan.
12   ThatGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Jan 13, 9:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

just_passing_through says
This is a joke right?


You tell me?
https://decentraland.org/

It currently has a market cap over $164M
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/decentraland/

Real world shit like bonds and gold isn't getting me to retirement
13   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2021 Jan 13, 9:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Interesting... Well, I suspect yes, there will be ways to make money in virtual 'land'. I like the real shit though.
14   ThatGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Jan 13, 9:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

just_passing_through says
Interesting... Well, I suspect yes, there will be ways to make money in virtual 'land'. I like the real shit though.


I agree for the most part, my stock investment plan is mostly based around water, something like CGW
15   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Jan 13, 9:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThatGuy says

Its unclear if I can run a pornography ring out of a 16m x 16m plot

On that size plot you could build the best little ho house in Decentraland and make beaucoup MANA!
16   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Jan 13, 9:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

just_passing_through says
This is a joke right?

It's funny that it's hard to tell.

Wasn't there some crypto that gave you a unique dog picture or some such?
17   ThatGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Jan 13, 9:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The lines between complete bullshit and legitimacy are very blurred in cryptocurrency right now.

Dogecoin is huge. Worth over 1 BILLION dollars. *edit I said trillion, just a billion
Somebody copied the litecoin source code, spliced in some code from other projects, put a picture of their dog on the thing and that is estimated to be worth over a TRILLION dollars.

My favorite so far was 'Coinye West', I think it came from a South Park episode. Got sued out of existence I think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coinye

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph we have our priorities all fucked up.
18   Bitcoin   ignore (16)   2021 Jan 13, 9:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ThatGuy says

https://decentraland.org/

It currently has a market cap over $164M
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/decentraland/

Real world shit like bonds and gold isn't getting me to retirement


Gold/Bonds are def not getting you anywhere.

We have our FIRST national “digital asset bank” in the U.S. now!
Crypto is not going anywhere. If anything, its getting bigger. The crypto market cap is over 1Trillion USD now.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/anchorage-becomes-first-occ-approved-193458539.html

I heard of the the decentraland coin but I like to stick to the top 15 coins based on market cap. (Bitcoin, Ethereum, Cardano, Link, Litecoin...)
19   ThatGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Jan 13, 10:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

G36 says
I heard of the the decentraland coin but I like to stick to the top 15 coins based on market cap. (Bitcoin, Ethereum, Cardano, Link, Litecoin...)


I take the opposite approach, mostly because I don't have any money.
I own an absolute fuck-ton of MOON because its already worth the smallest fraction of BTC
If MOON can gain on its value of 0.00000001 BTC, 100% instant return. As it is, I ride the price of BTC, its worth more than I paid assuming I can sell it.
These are projects people can choose to work on, market, and increase. In time I may choose to do so.

MANA is a middle play for me, its on Coinbase, so it has liquidity. Its value is tied to something other than 'it can be traded for the other top 15 coins'.
Corporations have been trying for decades to get VR in your face, this could get trendy fast, if certain industries back it. Partnering with Unity is a big deal, there are lots of people who want to make video games and don't have a platform to share - Not everyone can get a shot on the Playstation ...
20   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Jan 14, 6:18am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

G36 says
Gold/Bonds are def not getting you anywhere

I don't know about bonds but a gold ring (real gold not that fake digital gold shit) got me a good wife. She's way better than gold!
21   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Jan 14, 6:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

G36 says
The crypto market cap is over 1Trillion USD now.

Including or not including the lost "coins"?
22   Cash   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 14, 6:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Including or not including the lost "coins"?

Yes.
So in reality supply is less then quoted so not sure how much that "adds" to the real price of BTC.
1 point to keep in mind there were 130 whale wallets created the last 10dys 1000+btc avg quote $35000 and those whales
created the wallets to take crypto off the exchanges meaning by past experience they are stashing going after big returns over a
intermediate to longer time frames. Like I have mentioned in my other post the BTC Bull run is still in play ATHs on the way.
Observe and be amazed $BTC $50K+ on the way....
23   Cash   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 14, 6:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thats 4.5+ Billion BTW like I say avg. cost per to the whales $35k
24   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Jan 14, 7:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Cash says
Onvacation says
Including or not including the lost "coins"?

Yes.
So in reality supply is less then quoted so not sure how much that "adds" to the real price of BTC.

Are you saying that market cap is coins X price, but the actual value per coin is higher because some of the coins have been lost?
25   Bitcoin   ignore (16)   2021 Jan 14, 7:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The haters were so excited a few days ago when digital gold dipped a little bit. I was excited too because I bought more crypto at a discount. The price for the precious digital gold coins (Bitcoin) is already back at 39k.
Dont miss out on the next dip! Buy the dip in a bull market.

26   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2021 Jan 14, 7:09am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's better than Nothing!

(continues to chew on tree bark)
27   Cash   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 14, 7:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If you don't own BTC and are wanting to "spec" on some crypto ETH, DOT, LINK, ADA, ALGO, XLM and SNX
They all are likely to stomp higher min 100% and some more like 10x with some the possibility of 100x.
28   Cash   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 14, 7:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Anybody else have their 10x bagger plays... By all means do share ... lmaol Fuck, remember my suggestion to buy $BTC @13800+/-
You should remember it was only 2 months ago, while all the mutts were shitting in the woods crypto was flying higher.
The funny thing is its not even begun and all the insufferable mutts will be spewing their shit opinions the whole time crypto keeps blasting
off just like they have for the last 9 years ;) So funny
29   Cash   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 14, 7:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

None of the mutts have any real suggestions that even come close to or even has a chance at better profit potential....
Instead they spew how rich they are w/o a shred of proof.... I just let the crypto price speak for itself as proof positive....
Watch and be amazed how fast $BTC hits and exceeds $50K
30   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 14, 7:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here’s a piece of real land in the real world. You can go there in real life and live there should you wish. It’s selling for $40k and it’s in Alaska about 30 minutes by float plane from a major airport in Anchorage. It’s really remote despite that without any roads. Here’s a picture.
31   Cash   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 14, 7:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Shaman says
Here’s a piece of real land in the real world.

Nice place why don't you own it? Crypto land although it's not my thing is way easier to access.
32   Hircus   ignore (0)   2021 Jan 14, 9:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I feel like most investments I've seen that are aggressive, but not crazy risky, tend to give ~6-10% CAGR. If it's real estate, you need to make sure you combine appreciation with rental cash flow when calculating CAGR (and possibly also tax savings). With low priced RE, such as rural/ghetto/undesirable homes, usually most of your money comes from cash flow from rents, and very little from appreciation. Conversely, with high priced RE in major job growth areas, it's not uncommon for a house to be worth 1-2 million, but only rent for $48k / yr. After rental expenses, that's probably like 2-4% CAGR from rents, but you'll likely see appreciation bump you up quite a bit towards that 6-10% range.

In fact, with many high priced homes, you can't charge enough rent to cover the mortgage payment + expenses - you come out of pocket somewhat, but many people do it with the hope appreciation will save them.

If decentraland plots are renting at 120/yr, thats 12% + potential appreciation, which is good, although I question how many can rent it at that rate if some are allowing free tenancy. But, I'd imagine the risk is very high. And if like you said, many are renting for free, it sounds like the majority are just holding it as a moonshot on appreciation.
33   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Jan 14, 11:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

steverbeaver says
You just need to buy a news outlet to shill for it


As whores go, journalists are pretty cheap.
34   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 14, 11:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Shaman says
Here’s a piece of real land in the real world. You can go there in real life and live there should you wish. It’s selling for $40k and it’s in Alaska about 30 minutes by float plane from a major airport in Anchorage. It’s really remote despite that without any roads. Here’s a picture.


I'll buy it for $40K.

I can see it, but I can't see how to buy it.
35   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2021 Jan 15, 2:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Cash says
Anybody else have their 10x bagger plays... By all means do share ...

It's called a business. Mine pays me 10X month after month from my original investment. Investments don't have to be crypto at all to easily outperform it. Just a thought. I prefer control over dumb luck. It's done me better than crypto, that's for sure. Though I won't touch the stuff, so not a fair comparison I guess.
36   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 15, 3:03am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
Cash says
Anybody else have their 10x bagger plays... By all means do share ...

It's called a business. Mine pays me 10X month after month from my original investment. Investments don't have to be crypto at all to easily outperform it. Just a thought. I prefer control over dumb luck. It's done me better than crypto, that's for sure. Though I won't touch the stuff, so not a fair comparison I guess.


What business?
37   Cash   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 15, 7:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
It's called a business. Mine pays me 10X month after month from my original investment. Investments don't have to be crypto at all to easily outperform it. Just a thought. I prefer control over dumb luck. It's done me better than crypto, that's for sure. Though I won't touch the stuff, so not a fair comparison I guess.


Just more unverifiable BS from the troll. I block this bitch and he trolls me, he should be banned....
More lies he has no business his wife makes the money as he has said so in the past....
38   Bitcoin   ignore (16)   2021 Jan 15, 8:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

working the night shift is now called "your own business" ROFL
39   Cash   ignore (2)   2021 Jan 15, 8:08am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lives his make believe life here on Patnet.... He is ignored by many for a reason no one listens or believes his trolling bullshit
I want the douche to just stay away from me...

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