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2021 Jan 13, 5:32am   2,239 views  28 comments

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We all know the Constitution is a founding document but few have occasion to read it. I just gave it a quick skim this morning. Then to go further down the rabbit hole, I read the articles of confederation that preceeded it.
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Thought experiment. If we had to rewrite a constitution from scratch today what would it say? What rights/ liberties / freedoms would be most important? Are any of the issues addressed obsolete in the modern era? Are there new protections that should to be enumerated given the interconnectedness of the modern world?

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1   ForcedTQ   2021 Jan 13, 6:20am  

The big thing to remember in this is that our Rights are given to us by our creator and not the government. The Constitution enumerated some of the rights, but was not exhaustive, as a means of reminder for we the people to not allow ourselves to be taken advantage of by our governments.
2   Karloff   2021 Jan 13, 8:46am  

I think the Constitution is just fine the way it is worded and what it contains. This isn't the problem.

If people respect the ideals and values that the document exists to represent, it will be followed, even if wording is a bit poor. If they do not, it matters not how the document is worded or what it contains. They will twist meanings, lie, and outright ignore it.

Laws are only Just and effective if the majority of people agree with them and honor them, and only a small minority are in violation of them. If this balance tips, the system becomes unstable and usually results in a tyranny of authoritarianism.
3   Ceffer   2021 Jan 13, 10:04am  

The Constitution doesn't matter if there is no enforcement. We have seen wholesale anti-Constitutional behaviors in business, government and politics for a long time with no enforcement, which is why it treated with contempt.

Justice has gotten more and more selective and Potemkin.

Courts? What courts. They are part of the Big Scam.
4   Tenpoundbass   2021 Jan 13, 10:35am  

I was going to buy guns and hunker down for the shit show. But the more I realize what's going on, the more I think the older and unskilled warriors wont be needed.
Looking at the Fat couch potato commies occupying the Capital disguised as US Army soldiers, and looking at the mean lean fighting machines ex military that is fed up with the broken system.

The more I think about that Jewish Transwoman unloading Schmuck Schlonger yesterday, the more I agree. It will be quick and silent in the middle of the night, a visit in the middle of the night for selective strikes. They don't need me stepping on the Dog's squeaky toy fucking shit up.
5   MisdemeanorRebel   2021 Jan 13, 12:12pm  

Ceffer says
The Constitution doesn't matter if there is no enforcement. We have seen wholesale anti-Constitutional behaviors in business, government and politics for a long time with no enforcement, which is why it treated with contempt.


Exactly. The Ghost of George Washington isn't going to materialize and give Liz Cheney 20 whacks with a hickory cane.
6   ForcedTQ   2021 Jan 13, 4:34pm  

The problem is the lack of knowledge of the constitution and the lack of the will of the people to be done in accordance with the constitution. People became way to comfortable letting governments dictate to them how things were going to be without the smack across the face by their managers (us) telling them to get the F back in their lane.
7   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2021 Jan 13, 4:50pm  

We have rights in there, but those rights are infringed upon a lot. First and Second amendments are heavily infringed. What's "Freedom of speech" these days? You get silenced, cancelled and all sorts of shit. 2nd amendment don't even get me started in CA, can't concealed carry, can't open carry, basically can't fucking carry.

Those rights sound more like privileges most of the time.
9   Patrick   2022 Jul 2, 10:44am  

https://thenationalpulse.com/2021/09/06/national-archives-places-harmful-language-alert-on-u-s-constitution-page/


National Archives Places ‘Harmful Language Alert’ on Page Hosting U.S. Constitution.


12   AmericanKulak   2022 Jul 5, 10:31am  

There's some other cases that are coming up, the EPA one was probably more important and Roe v. Wade

These cases are about how much the Legislature can pawn off on Administrative Departments, allowing them to make rules under the rubric of the Executive.

If SCOTUS tightens the reigns on that, it is the best thing ever to happen to control the Administrative/Deep State.
13   Patrick   2022 Jul 6, 12:42pm  

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/07/06/reining_in_the_fourth_branch_of_government____147845.html

The Constitution provides for three branches of government, sharing sovereign power. In fact, we have a fourth branch, the sprawling administrative bureaucracies.
16   GreaterNYCDude   2022 Sep 12, 11:40am  

So what can we do short of running for congress ourselves? Do we start a grassroots movement? Start a PAC? Form a political party?

And how would we unwind some of these federally created offices? "Abolish the IRS" is a good slogan for a t-shirt but in reality l, you would need a ten year plan to wind down / reduce the size of government to get it back to where the founders intended it to be.

Absent that you scrap the whole system and start over...

But I'd like to think that the system is not so irreparably broken that it cannot be fixed.

I honestly think part of it is many (myself included) are too busy with day to day life to do anything beyond venting on an anonymous internet forum.

I don't have the resources, time or connections to mount a political campaign although I have considered it from time to time.
18   Onvacation   2022 Sep 26, 5:40pm  

GreaterNYCDude says

But I'd like to think that the system is not so irreparably broken that it cannot be fixed.

Me too. But you'll never get the pensioners to give up their pension or the fat asses to give up their seat.

Seems like the best we can hope for is to avoid the system as much as possible and live a happy life.
20   GreaterNYCDude   2022 Dec 4, 8:11am  

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Let's check the scorecard on this one:

They federal government has not made any laws establishing a national religion.
However, they HAVE prohibited free exercise thereof.

They have not abridged freedom of speech / press directly.
The allowance of the use of propaganda and the apparent collusion to control the narrative has undermined the presses independence.

Even the right to assemble has been abridged. You can protest, but in many cases, you are supposed to pull a permit to do so.

Even protests are coopted, from Jan 6 to BLM. All it takes is a small band of idiots to shift the focus away from the main message. When was the last time a mass protest resulted in governmental action and REAL change? Perhaps the Civil Rights protests of the 60s? I can't think of any since.

It seems to me, as a practical matter, the average American doesn't care much, so far as I can tell. They get up, work, come home, watch some mindless TV, eat, sleep, then repeat. Even for myself, I can sit here and ruminate from behind a keyboard, but I'm not out in the street, nor am I "petitioning for a redress of grievances" because frankly, things in my world are good. I have job that allows me to pay my bills and save a bit for retirement, a good family, and a network of friends. I'm active in my church and other organizations that keep me busy.

As much as there is clearly room for improvement, and the erosion of constitutional rights is concerning, a few dozen people on an internet forum aren't exactly going to change things. The federal government is big, bloated and well beyond the limited federal government our founding fathers had intended... but how to change that, I haven't a clue.
22   richwicks   2024 Feb 13, 10:57pm  

Patrick says






The Constitution isn't enforced. The Soviets had a WONDERFUL Constitution.

https://unionofsovietsovereignrepublics.fandom.com/wiki/Constitution_of_the_USSR/The_Constitution

But it wasn't enforced. Who gives a shit if we have a Constitution? It's simply ignored. It's just a goddamned piece of paper.
23   AD   2024 Feb 13, 11:47pm  

richwicks says


But it wasn't enforced. Who gives a shit if we have a Constitution? It's simply ignored. It's just a goddamned piece of paper.


yeah I've seen that in Bay County with rampant cases of false arrests and malicious prosecution

check out on Youtube the Burnie Thompson Show... he went to Panama City commissioners meeting about another false arrest and imprisonment ...

a police officer pulls someone over and sees an Rx bottle in the glove compartment when it is opened and falsely testified that the name on the bottle was scratched off (even though the cop's camera video shows different).

The driver spent one night in jail and there were no charges filed.

Also look up Zachary Wester ...he is the prime example as far as planting drugs and false arrests... Wester was eventually was nabbed by an undercover from Florida Dept of Law Enforcement (likely in a public corruption set up or sting)..

Wester's partner in crime now is a detective in Panama City :-(

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25   AD   2024 Feb 23, 10:43pm  

Patrick says






Their playbook is Animal Farm. All of this especially equal protection and due process are victims of cancel culture.

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27   Patrick   2024 Mar 26, 11:23am  




This is why we have the Bill of Rights, and representatives rather than direct democraccy.

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