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Election Fraud News

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Feb 2, 10:07pm 3,691 views   253 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Can't find anything at all in the media anymore, except wildly biased yellow journalism.

Trump continues to insist there was mass fraud, but all media simply dismisses his claim as "false" without any reasoning or evidence.

I'm pretty damn sure Biden's election was fraudulent.

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1   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 2, 10:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9215741/Never-seen-photos-Jeffrey-Epstein-cuddling-sleeping-young-girl.html

I bet there's some good dirt on a lot of people in DC. This probably explains a lot of what we don't hear.
2   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 2, 10:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Steve Bannon still talks about it. Arizona is doing a forensic audit (finally) this Wed. over ten days. Apparently, the issues can go on for months.

Remember, some Presidents get into office to avoid indictments and quash investigations of their criminal activities. Lyndon Johnson would have assuredly gone to jail if he hadn't participated in Kennedy's assassination and become President.

However, Trump and military intelligence were keeping track and have all the evidence of voter fraud. Question is, if there will ever be any action over it. If he doesn't, the Dems will make sure that voting will never have meaning in this country again.
3   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 3, 12:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://patriots.win/p/11SKQ0bX0M/fuck-you-newsmax--youre-fucking-/c/

–Bluestorm83 187 points 8 hours ago +187 / -0
Their doublespeak is insidious.

"I have proof of a Thing."

"We do not have proof that you have that proof, therefore the Thing did not happen."

That is what the article claims. It does not claim counter-proof. It claims LACK of proof, AS PROOF.

But hey, Newsmax has been a snake since before the election. People here were calling it for a while. I told all my family who went to Newsmax after Fox showed its true colors not to settle there, to go to OAN, or to do as I have done and cast off TV news altogether and research every single story yourself.





Newsmax censored based pillow merchant when he talked about the obvious election fraud.
4   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 3, 12:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Saw this coming a mile away. They are blackmailing Trump. If he talks about voter fraud at the fake impeachment, faggot Republicans will vote to impeach. IM OFFICALLY DONE WITH GOP. I Dont give a damn what trumo thinks about a new party. Its the only path forward. (media.patriots.win)
posted 7 hours ago by WindyCityBluez
5   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 3, 12:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://patriots.win/p/11SKQ1kkPF/whats-it-going-to-take-for-every/c/



They also shut down the ENTIRE US ECONOMY when things weren't going their way.
6   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 3, 12:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

How effective one man can be:



Younger Chinese don't even know about the guy who stopped a column of tanks.
8   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2021 Feb 3, 1:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Can't find anything at all in the media anymore, except wildly biased yellow journalism.

Trump continues to insist there was mass fraud, but all media simply dismisses his claim as "false" without any reasoning or evidence.

I'm pretty damn sure Biden's election was fraudulent.


Pat, this is Pat Byrne's (CEO Overstock) take on what happened in late December when he went to the Oval Office with Flynn and Powell.

It's not new stuff, but it explains what happened in December, at least through Byrne's perspective (3rd Part so far, so you may want to start at the beginning if interested):

“Sir,” I continued, “in 30 minutes I can have a number of staffers from within your White House here to tell you that those are quotes from Pat Cipollone and Mark Meadows. This guy is lying to you through his teeth. They want you to lose.”

Trump turned, knowing I was correct. He indicated one of the other lawyers, said, “Did you know that this is his last day? He has a job starting Monday at a law firm up the street, getting paid 10 times what I can pay him here.” He continued wistfully, “Pat, can you imagine what I could have gotten done here, if I had not been fighting my own people?”
Cipollone and the other two lawyers scurried out the back door of the Oval Office. I heard them stay out in the ante room, caucusing. Meanwhile, the President, Sidney, Mike, Alyssa, and myself continued for a while walking through more of the details, reviewing some of what we had said earlier. At some point Allyssa, that quiet but razor-sharp female lawyer assisting Sidney, took over for a few points, and concisely explained aspects of the executive order, always clarifying with great precision whatever needed to be clarified.

After 10 minutes the three lawyers walked back into the room and stood, this time not in the back, but abreast and to the left of we four visitors: Alyssa, myself, Mike, and Sidney, sitting in chairs in a half-moon in front of the Resolute desk. Mike continued taking operational questions that arose, while Sidney and Alyssa handled the legal questions that arose. The three male lawyers edged closer to the front, and then as though as some hidden signal, they all started being bitches.

First was some comment about it not being right to use the National Guard. “The optics are terrible, Mr. President,” said one. “It would have to be the DHS.” I liked the National Guard idea because we needed to reestablish trust of the American people in the electoral process, and the US institution with the most trust is the one where people dress in military uniforms. Yet the National Guard is local, they are all around us, our colleagues at work, our “Citizen Soldiers”. But perhaps in a sign of flexibility, Flynn and Sidney allowed as how one could use the DHS instead of the National Guard.

“The press would tear your apart,” predicted Pat Cipollone at one turn in the conversation. Sidney said what Mike and I were both thinking: The press is going to tear him apart? Really? What are they doing now?

At some point Cipollone objected, “Never in American history has there been this kind of a challenge to an election!” Flynn responded, “Never in American history has there been a situation like this, with counting being shut down for hours, foreigners connecting to our equipment, …..” and so on.

“He does not have the authority to do this!” Cipollone thundered eventually. Sidney rejoined, “Of course he does,” citing EO 13848 (and something else signed by Obama). “Without question he has the authority.” Alyssa whipped out EO 13848 again and showed the relevant language that we had just covered. Trump looked at Cipollone with an expression that said, You never even brought this to my attention, Pat. He said to Cipolloner, “You know Pat, at least they want to fight for me. You don’t even fight for me. You just tell me everything I can’t do.”

By this point Cipollone was getting hot under the collar. Raising his voice to the President, he said, “Hey if you want to do this you don’t need my permission. You don’t even need a pen or a piece of paper. You can just say, ‘I hire Sidney Powell as White House Special Counsel,’ and it’s done.” But then he went on with more objections to everything he was hearing, all of which continued to sound stretched. Even frivolous.

After half-a-dozen of such frivolous objections from the White House General Counsel, Mike and I looked at each other dumbstruck. Mike grew calm and silent, his brow knit in bafflement. Finally I calmly announced to the room: “This is the most surreal conversation I have ever experienced.”

Around that time Alyssa spoke up on a legal point: he clearly had enough grounds to find that those Problematic 6 counties had enough peculiarities in their election, that under his powers under those EO’s, he was sending in federal teams to recount the ballots in those six counties. It was a defensible, reasonable action to take (which she said in legalese). What happened after that would be determined by what was found. But now the three male lawyers who were on their feet began speaking to her rudely. They challenged her, asking something like, “What do you think you know about the law?” She replied, “Well I am a lawyer. I work for Sidney, and-” they cut her off, snorting derisively.

Flynn sprung to his feet with a grace and ease that surprised me, a surfer getting up on his board. He turned to face the three lawyers standing over and barking at Alyssa. In a measured tone he asked of the three lawyers, “Let’s get something clear. What do you think happened on November 3? Do you think was a fair election? There was nothing unusual about it in your eyes?”

The three lawyers looked down, stuck their toes in the dirt, glanced at each other out of the corners of their eyes, and would not give an answer.

President Trump looked directly at me and said gently, “You know Pat, all my life I’ve had the best lawyers. People call me from all over the world, ‘What lawyer should I use on this? What lawyer should I use on that?’ But here…. You know, the other side breaks every rule in the book, but me….? All I have are lawyers who tell me ‘You can’t do this, you can’t do that…’ Do you see what I have been working with for four years? Can you imagine what I could have gotten done……” He broke off, then turned to Cipollone, asked “Where’s my Durham report? Where’s ….” and started rattling off his legal disappointments.

https://www.deepcapture.com/2021/02/how-djt-lost-the-white-house-chapter-3-crashing-the-white-house-december-18/
9   clambo   ignore (5)   2021 Feb 3, 5:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Lawyers fucked over Trump.
Lawyers get into politics; they also work at the FBI, and other agencies.
99% of lawyers have less integrity than a hooker.
Lawyers prefer to obfuscate and either misunderstand or misrepresent what laws and the Constitution mean.
It’s important to remember that our constitution was not written by lawyers, and the revolution wasn’t planned or fought by lawyers.
Trump not being a lawyer, was used to playing by the rules.
Lawyers don’t think they must follow rules. Hillary and disbarred Bill are examples.
10   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Feb 3, 6:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Saw this coming a mile away. They are blackmailing Trump. If he talks about voter fraud at the fake impeachment, faggot Republicans will vote to impeach. IM OFFICALLY DONE WITH GOP. I Dont give a damn what trumo thinks about a new party. Its the only path forward. (media.patriots.win)
posted 7 hours ago by WindyCityBluez


Dumbass. New party === third party.

Third party === wasted vote.

This is why The Donald chose to 'take over' one of the two existing parties for his path to the WH in the first place.
11   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Feb 3, 7:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Can't find anything at all in the media anymore

I know you don't do YouTube, but it's still there. The warnings at the bottom of the screen that Joe Biden is your President on any video that even mentions the election. It's a fucking joke. Why does YouTube even do that? It's fucking February...

I don't know what age group is behind this thought, but when did it become okay to not challenge something? Yes, Biden is currently POTUS. Yes, we can still question if there was voter fraud and massive irregularities during the 2020 election. If Biden raped dozens of boys, would you want him to be your POTUS? If he was grabbing money as VP via his son, should we not look into that?

When you throw out proven fiction with the Russia BS at Trump, at least expect real or even BS investigations in return. You reap what you sow Dems/left. Either way, the evidence is stacking. I don't ever think the election will get overturned, but I see some unrest coming. 1+1 does not equal 2 with this election, covid, Biden, etc. If something legit ever comes out, expect some heads to be rolling.
12   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 3, 9:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HunterTits says
Patrick says
Saw this coming a mile away. They are blackmailing Trump. If he talks about voter fraud at the fake impeachment, faggot Republicans will vote to impeach. IM OFFICALLY DONE WITH GOP. I Dont give a damn what trumo thinks about a new party. Its the only path forward. (media.patriots.win)
posted 7 hours ago by WindyCityBluez


Dumbass. New party === third party.

Third party === wasted vote.


Not necessarily but it will be much harder, Ross Perot almost did it back then. I think it's wrong to lash out at people who follow their convictions. What do you have now? A majority for the leftoids everywhere - how is this different? With your reasoning there will never be more than 2 parties in the US, while other countries have a healthy mix of at least 4 parties if not more. If the Republicans can find common ground with at least somewhat of a Trumpian direction then yes, we don't need a 3rd party. If the RINOs take over who gives a fuck about red vs blue, it's the same.
13   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Feb 3, 9:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Why does YouTube even do that? It's fucking February...


It has been noted and analyzed that the Big E is even more insecure of populism AFTER Trump left.
14   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Feb 3, 9:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says

Not necessarily but it will be much harder, Ross Perot almost did it back then. I think it's wrong to lash out at people who follow their convictions.


Yeah, and that gave BJ Bill the WH despite him only getting 42% of the vote. 2000, Al Gore got 97,000 votes in Florida...if only 3,000 had gone to Gore instead, Internet Al would have won.

Either way, neither Perot nor Nader won nor had any real chance of doing so. Duverger's Law.

It will ONLY work if the new party semi-instantly sucks out most of the supporters, leadership and pols from one party to it, like the GOP did to the Whigs and some Democrats when it formed.
15   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 3, 9:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
Lyndon Johnson would have assuredly gone to jail

nope, nope, nope, he would not have been in any trouble whatsoever
TX opponents of LBJ were committing suicide left and right by shooting themselves in back of their heads long before he became VP. Nothing ever came out of it.

Inquisitive minds may want to read how LBJ was "elected" in TX, and compare this with how Biden was elected (by "finding" requisite number of votes when necessary): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_13_scandal

And Biden campaign appears to have violated an old, sacred rule of TX elecion fraud:

In Texas elections, the general rule was "The lead in the runoff always wins." In Texas Democratic primaries, which were overseen by the party, not the state government, major candidates would "hold out" by delaying reporting their final tallies so they could add additional votes if needed. That practice favored the side that initially led the runoff because it was difficult for the other side to add enough votes to win without sparking plausible accusations of fraud.
16   rocketjoe79   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 3, 9:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


Younger Chinese don't even know about the guy who stopped a column of tanks.
My old boss went to a global business meeting with a Chinese national from the company present. The Tianamen Square incident somehow came up. The Chinese person flat out said: "That did NOT happen." Like, the entire incident, deaths, etc.

When the State controls everything, they can write history out of existence.

Isn't Biden creating a Ministry of Truth? He's calling it something else, but it's about thought control.
17   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2021 Feb 3, 10:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The media also denies they are fake news, propaganda, controlled opposition.
But we all know better.

And I tell everyone I know that is "News Consumer" that is ashamed to be, but don't know were else to get informed. (80% of ALL Americans)

Don't consume the news, research it. Google it, go to the original Twitter post and thread, look at the original live video of people who were there, get the transcript of what a politician said, read the documents being reported on. You simply can't take the media's narrative on anything. Less you want to be an ill-informed Jack Wagon.
18   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2021 Feb 3, 11:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bowling alone is a lot of the problem. Tenpoundbass was right on when it's time to take over the GOP from the bottom up. A third party will just have all kinds of new restrictions put upon for registration/signatures required by states. It will spend all the money getting on the ballot, massive media hostility, and the Dems and Reps will work together to destroy it.

The reason the GOP is fucked is because Mike the Mechanic and Ignatz the Insurance Agent didn't become committeemen like their fathers and grandfathers. They just vote in elections and dropped the occasional bucks to GOP fundraisers, without actually participating at the local level. Whereas Dems are flooded with activist SEIU members from the groundfloor up pushing anti-American, anti-White BS.
19   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Feb 3, 11:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NoCoupForYou says

The reason the GOP is fucked is because Mike the Mechanic and Ignatz the Insurance Agent didn't become committeemen like their fathers and grandfathers. They just vote in elections and dropped the occasional bucks to GOP fundraisers, without actually participating at the local level. Whereas Dems are flooded with activist SEIU members from the groundfloor up pushing anti-American, anti-White BS.

Paul Ryan fucked any (current) possibility of GOP change. It could still happen, but he really fucked things up. He could have manned up and made this shit better. He tucked it between his legs and ran under the cover of "family." He'll go down as the worst Speaker of the House ever. You got POTUS. You got the Senate. You got the House. He was GOPe and puss'd out. Simple as that. He almost single handedly fucked an entire generation by his lack of balls to get the job done.
20   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2021 Feb 3, 11:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
He'll go down as the worst Speaker of the House ever. You got POTUS. You got the Senate. You got the House. He was GOPe and puss'd out. Simple as that. He almost single handedly fucked an entire generation by his lack of balls to get the job done.


Yep. Ryan was a bastard. Huge sweeping changes could have been made - but it wasn't the first time. The Reps had the House and Presidency 10 years of the past 20 and the House 16 of the past 20. Yet we got Tranny Bathrooms, Chinese Subversion, Massive deficits, etc. Can't blame the Dems for that, the House has the power of the purse and can cut anything off from funding.
21   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 3, 12:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Sometimes I think Trump brought the enemy into his administration to study them. He's not that gullible to believe everything he is fed. If he was aboard with the military from the get go, then he would have just had the Barrs, Boltons, lawyers et alia. around to study their misdirections and to spy on their masters. His true advisements would have come from the groups who stood by him and got him to run in the first place.

Studied misdirections are clues in and of themselves about the thinking of the enemy. If you don't have the enemy around to give those misdirections, you lose the clues. It's the old saw about holding your enemies close.
22   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 3, 12:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Did the media ever come out with a believable excuse for the Georgia ballot stuffing video?
Or any excuse?
23   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 3, 12:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I'm mostly convinced that the election was stolen. It doesn't help that you will be censored and shouted down if you even ask for an investigation of known evidence of election fraud.

It's painfully clear that the government, media, intelligence, law enforcement (federal), and both parties want nothing to do with uncovering ANY election fraud. Why?

Rhetorical question: we are in a civil war, governed vs. rulers.

We (I and like minded) want freedom and liberty. They, the rulers, want power and control. If you don't want to be controlled you are now the enemy of the government which has become the enemy of the people.

We have mostly lost the first amendment but the remnants are still here, for now.

Remember, we have rights as human beings beyond the reach of government.

As long as we are not violating the same rights of others; We have the right to exercise and practice our beliefs with like minded people. The government does NOT have the right to impose their belief system on us against our will. We have the right to speak freely. We have the right to gather with others. We have the right to publish and consume what we desire. We have a right to peaceably assemble and petition our government for redress of our grievances.

That's just the first. They want all our rights. This first right is the hill we have to live or die on.

This is the hill we have to fight for. They are gagging us and trying to make us fearful.

If we lose freedom of speech we will lose everything.
24   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 3, 9:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
We have the right to gather with others.


Constitution overruled by county health departments!
25   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Feb 3, 9:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
Rhetorical question: we are in a civil war, governed vs. rulers.

Ever done a FOIA request? Even small local government. We've been fucked for a while. You'll never get answers. Even good local journalist are bums.

I had evidence of illegal actions on a couple levels. The states attorney for the county admitted our school district acted illegally. Nothing... Crickets. Local journalist printed what I sent over, but never followed up with me and why I knew what I knew. I literally had documentation of wrongdoing and nothing. This is small town America. Not sure how anyone is going to stop the swamp on the federal level without lots of ammo.
26   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 3, 9:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says

Constitution overruled by county health departments!

Rights aren't given by the constitution, the bill of rights are an ENUMERATION of our natural rights as free men.
27   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Feb 3, 9:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Not sure how anyone is going to stop the swamp on the federal level without lots of ammo.


I am certain...
29   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 5, 4:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Now, they are bragging about fixing the election, calling it 'protecting' the election. I think I'd like to protect them with a hangman's noose. Now, bragging about treason. Wlll it never end?

"TIME Magazine Claims An Elite Cabal Conspired To Stop Trump From Winning, Manipulating Laws And News"
https://youtu.be/0BEHO08r67U


original link
/?list=subscriptions

Sorry about YentiTube, Pat.

THEY NO LONGER DENY ELECTION FRAUD! THEY ARE NOW GASLIGHTING OVERTURNING THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE AS 'SAVING; DEMOCRACY.

Is it possible for them to treat the People as bigger idiots than this?
30   porkchopexpress   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 5, 5:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
Now, they are bragging about fixing the election, calling it 'protecting' the election.
wow
31   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 5, 5:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

We are becoming a third world country very rapidly.

My Turkish roommate in college said "The rich will always oppress everyone else. There is no point in fighting it."
33   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 6, 7:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rocketjoe79 says
Younger Chinese don't even know about the guy who stopped a column of tanks.

Tank Man was most likely executed shortly afterward so one has to be prepared for some personal sacrifice.
(Unfortunately we are largely a nation of obese sissy-men now)
34   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 6, 8:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Robert Sproul says
(Unfortunately we are largely a nation of obese sissy-men now)





Sadly true. I think all American men need to:

1. Grow a beard if they can. (Women may say they don't like it, but their attention and actions in bed prove they are lying.)
2. Lift weights.
3. Own a gun.

Each one of these is known to boost testosterone, and also alters your attitude for the better, imho.
35   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Feb 6, 8:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
1. Grow a beard if they can. (Women may say they don't like it, but their attention and actions in bed prove they are lying.)


Growing a beard can't possibly boost testosterone. What would the mechanism for that be?

I used to wear one, but it's just a hassle to maintain.
36   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 6, 8:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Growing a beard can't possibly boost testosterone. What would the mechanism for that be?


I think it's the increased respect you get from other men, and the increased attention from women.

Men with beards are generally perceived to be more aggressive and dominant. Something in the hind-brain of humans, probably with good evolutionary reason.
37   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2021 Feb 6, 9:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Men with beards are generally perceived to be more aggressive and dominant.

As are bald men.

Seriously, beards seem to be a popular accessory for gay men, and a lack of beard does not make US Marines, Seal Teams, or Spetsnaz, look less dominant.
38   ThatGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 6, 9:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I once read that Jews believe a freshly shaven face was a sign of 'severe distress'.

It really hit me as true. I'd been shaving daily for years. And personally identified with it.

All my life I've been practically worshipping heavy metal musicians, long hair, big beards, men speaking their truth

And there I was, a pussy-man, looking like I'm 20, but almost 40, taking blades to my face for WHAT FUCKING PURPOSE?

Its an expression of subservience, same bullshit as a tie.

In my mind, a tie is a leash. Its the worst thing you could wear.

Maybe COVID was a good thing for me?

My beard looks like shit, but I feel like a million fucking dollars and I don't give a fuck about any of this shit anymore.
39   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 6, 9:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I keep my beard trimmed but have not had a haircut since the lockdown started.
40   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 6, 9:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThatGuy says
And there I was, a pussy-man, looking like I'm 20, but almost 40, taking blades to my face for WHAT FUCKING PURPOSE?

Its an expression of subservience, same bullshit as a tie.

In my mind, a tie is a leash. Its the worst thing you could wear.


I totally agree. I tried to grow a beard when I was 25 but it looked awful because it wouldn't fill in. But later, about 40, I tried again and it worked out great.

I think beards have some ancient purpose in showing men's status. And shaving is deliberately making yourself look more childish for some reason. Maybe to look non-threatening.

Ties are a total compliance thing, like masks. Guys wear ties to show their conformity. I visited the Yale Club in NYC once, as guest of a friend who went there. Made the mistake of trying to sit in the library without a tie. The asked me to leave because ties were required. Conformity was required.

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