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Yet another cheap and common drug more effective than the "vaccine"

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Feb 11, 11:09pm 300 views   27 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-common-asthma-treatment-reduces-need-hospitalisation-covid-19-patients-study

The STOIC study found that inhaled budesonide given to patients with COVID-19 within seven days of the onset of symptoms also reduced recovery time. Budesonide is a corticosteroid used in the long-term management of asthma and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).

Findings from the phase 2 randomised study, which was supported by the NIHR Oxford Biomedical Research Centre (BRC), were published on the medRxiv pre-print server.

The findings from 146 people – of whom half took 800 micrograms of the medication twice a day and half were on usual care – suggests that inhaled budesonide reduced the relative risk of requiring urgent care or hospitalisation by 90% in the 28-day study period. Participants allocated the budesonide inhaler also had a quicker resolution of fever, symptoms and fewer persistent symptoms after 28 days.
1   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 12, 4:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The story is already shifting. I said it would be summer and things would be normal besides masks. Those aren't going away. But supposedly word on the morning news is that the entire country could be "vaccinated" by July. We'll have a normal summer with masks indoors and I think large gatherings open back up. I need to see good live music. It's been too long.

I honestly don't think masks going away at this point though. I think we'll become like Asian nations where mask wearing is just accepted and the norm. We're going to get establishments that are maskers and other that are anti-maskers. Then they'll be pitted against each other. The mask has become a political weapon and will be used for the foreseeable future I think.

It sucks and I'll fight it every step of the way, but I need shit to just be open and normal. It mostly is by me, but I haven't been in Chicago since this whole thing started. I miss the occasional night out on the town, baseball game or concert.
2   Donald   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 12, 9:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Two different things: the vaccine is meant to prevent you from getting COVID in the first place, and Budesonide is meant to help you recover if you do get COVID. Neither is meant to replace the other.
3   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 12, 10:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
I need to see good live music. It's been too long.


This.
4   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 12, 11:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Donald says
Two different things: the vaccine is meant to prevent you from getting COVID in the first place, and Budesonide is meant to help you recover if you do get COVID. Neither is meant to replace the other.

There is no vaccine for Covid 19 if we apply the same standard as other vaccines. It's not a vaccine at all. Is the polio vaccine a vaccine if people can still get it? That's what "this" is. Not sure what to even call it at this point. People can still get Covid from "vaccinated" people. Not sure what this is solving. Well I do. It's a way to wind down the propaganda of covid. And we'll be stuck with masks.
5   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 12, 9:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Donald says
the vaccine is meant to prevent you from getting COVID in the first place

Actually the Moderna and Pfizer "vaccines" are designed to protect people against moderate to severe COVID-19 disease NOT prevent infection or spread of the COVID-19 virus itself. They are not designed to keep you from getting sick, they are only supposed to lessen your infection symptoms if or when you do get infected. (Unless, as some warn, they potentially trigger a deadly cytokine storm when you are exposed to the actual virus. Oops.)
This is why they tell you that you still can't go see mom after you are "vaccinated".
How this experimental prophylactic gene therapy is the solution to anything beats the hell out of me.
6   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 12, 9:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Budesonide is a corticosteroid used in the long-term management of asthma

This is good to know. My wife was prescribed this inhaler after the hideous wildfire smoke last summer triggered her childhood asthma.
She hadn't had an asthma attack in decades. The various Doctors she has seen since it kicked-up report that they are seeing a surge in patients with the same story.
7   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Feb 12, 9:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
I miss the occasional night out on the town, baseball game or concert.

Is that the cookie you're willing to give up your freedom for? Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing against the ropes. I get it...we be fucked. Hell, I really believe I'm going to get fired soon. I refuse to stop talking to clients about the mask and hoax.
8   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 13, 12:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WineHorror1 says
Is that the cookie you're willing to give up your freedom for? Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing against the ropes. I get it...we be fucked. Hell, I really believe I'm going to get fired soon. I refuse to stop talking to clients about the mask and hoax.

I'm not following what you're saying. Shut downs can go to hell. If you're for them, I'm against you. If you're against them, I'm with you.
9   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 13, 3:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WineHorror1 says
I refuse to stop talking to clients about the mask and hoax.


@WineHorror1 Maybe you could just give them a gentle nudge in the direction of truth by pointing them to articles that quote doctors saying masks do nothing.

Example:

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
10   Onvacation   ignore (5)   2021 Feb 16, 3:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

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11   GlocknLoad   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 16, 4:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
WineHorror1 says
Is that the cookie you're willing to give up your freedom for? Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing against the ropes. I get it...we be fucked. Hell, I really believe I'm going to get fired soon. I refuse to stop talking to clients about the mask and hoax.

I'm not following what you're saying. Shut downs can go to hell. If you're for them, I'm against you. If you're against them, I'm with you.

Wookie, we are on the same thought line. I was alluding to, what seems like, your willingness to accept masking in order to do the things you want to do. The masking is, to me, just as bad as the lockdowns. They both go against freedom. Both must stop if you want America to be anything America is supposed to be.
12   GlocknLoad   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 16, 4:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick, my comment did not show up.
13   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 16, 4:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

GlocknLoad says
I was alluding to, what seems like, your willingness to accept masking in order to do the things you want to do.

I don't have a willingness. We really don't wear masks here in my neck of the woods in IL. My local gas station literally has a sign that suggests you don't. Local bars don't enforce it, not enforceable here in IL anyway, just a threat. Employees kind of wear masks, but most pull them off after a while as the night goes on.

Travel is my biggest issue. Love it too much and some of those employees are hurting just as bad as restaurant workers. I unfortunately suck it up for a flight and airport. In airport I just get beer though and don't wear the mask once past security. On the plane I position myself for sleep so I can take it off. Neck pillow helps. Flight attendants have a shit job and I really don't want to cause a scene on a plane. They need to get the beer flowing again though. Then I won't wear a mask on the plane at all, lol. (I almost never have to drive when I arrive for any MADD people).

I don't know what other people on patnet do for fun or work or whatever. I'd venture to guess I'm probably the most reckless (if you want to call it that) with mask wearing and possibly transmitting the virus. We've been shamed by relatives and friends. We hosted a NYE party with 3 people that had Covid (unknowingly). I got sick after, negative test and no else got it. It's not dangerous and is the flu WORST case for those infected. Usually much more mild from what everyone I know with positive tests has told me.

I'm EXTREME anti-Covid. But if I refused to wear a mask in a small range of situations, I'd be hurting other people's livelihood. It's a slippery slope and hard to navigate. I'm also biased and selfish. I don't always think of the greater good when I want what I want. Not gonna lie.
14   GlocknLoad   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 16, 5:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says

I'm EXTREME anti-Covid. But if I refused to wear a mask in a small range of situations, I'd be hurting other people's livelihood. It's a slippery slope and hard to navigate. I'm also biased and selfish. I don't always think of the greater good when I want what I want. Not gonna lie.

I am extreme anti-covid as well. In fact, I just came back from "trying" to pick up some take-out. I walked in without a mask, as I always do, and they refused service. No problem, I asked them to bring it curbside. They refused. Since I hadn't paid for it yet, I told them to shove their food up their asses (the place was empty). This place is now off my list and will NEVER go back.

No, you are NOT being selfish. The hypochondriacs are the selfish ones. Got to reverse that thinking.

FREEDOM IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER.
15   GlocknLoad   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 16, 5:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says

@WineHorror1 Maybe you could just give them a gentle nudge in the direction of truth by pointing them to articles that quote doctors saying masks do nothing.


I do my best to walk the tightrope. Last Friday I had 2 awesome conversations. My clients are Realtors but I do get to talk to homeowners as well. I love to talk to people, you run into some interesting situations and people/thoughts/attitudes.

One of the people I spoke with was a homeowner (she could care less about the mask and there were several of us in her home not wearing the mask) who was getting a divorce because of Covid. Her husband is a masker freak. Anyway, she is selling her $2.5 million home because her business (event planning biz) has gone to shit and she cannot afford it. She wants to move to Florida/Texas so she can get her boys back into school but can't move out of state because family court will not allow it (joint custody).

The other non-masker I spoke with was a client I've known for about 8 years. We never mask but this time there was no one in the home but us. The conversation was the best one I've had since the whole Hoax began. He must read Patrick.net and another blog I read. Btw, I only know of 2 blogs where the 1st Amendment is treated like gold. Anyway, I told him where he can get Ivermectin and HCQ without a prescription. He was also having a hard time finding defense weapons. I told him I would take him to the place I go. On my way home from our appointment, I stopped by 3 places without a mask and took selfies to send to him to give him the confidence to go do it himself. The 3 places I stopped at were a gun store, a precious metals dealer and a convenience store. I'm in Northern Virginia and this place is full of covidiots. It is amazing that people will willingly walk around outside with a mask on. Even when no one else is even close by. Crazy. Evil actually.

I do what I can.
16   Blue   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 17, 1:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

All TV channels kept saying "vaccine shortage" almost like religious chanting to a level to scare the people to get them back in line. I also did watch about 2 weeks back that in LA, vaccines were dumped because of lack of people who canceled appointments. I thought they could use them for others. It creates more questions.
17   BoomAndBustCycle   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 17, 9:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

GlocknLoad says
No, you are NOT being selfish. The hypochondriacs are the selfish ones. Got to reverse that thinking.

FREEDOM IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER.



You sound like a selfish dick. The least I can do is wear a mask in someone else’s place of business /home upon request.

I’m super fortunate that I get to work from home due to Covid and don’t have to wear a mask more than 5-10 minutes any given week. I feel for the people working 8-12 hours a day in a mask to make a measly living while you can’t wear one for a few seconds to pick up food or check out at a grocery store?

FYI, I don’t wear one when I walk my dog and such and take them off the second I can... I admit they suck to wear. But I feel like a loser to complain with how little I actually have to wear one.
18   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Feb 17, 9:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BoomAndBustCycle says
GlocknLoad says
No, you are NOT being selfish. The hypochondriacs are the selfish ones. Got to reverse that thinking.

FREEDOM IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER.



You sound like a selfish dick. The least I can do is wear a mask in someone else’s place of business /home upon request.

I’m super fortunate that I get to work from home due to Covid and don’t have to wear a mask more than 5-10 minutes any given week. I feel for the people working 8-12 hours a day in a mask to make a measly living while you can’t wear one for a few seconds to pick up food or check out at a grocery store?


There is no pandemic. Has the number of deaths skyrocketed in 2020 from 2019?

@GlocknLoad isn't selfish, he's suspicious and it's proper for him to be suspicious. I mean no insult at all with this, but I think you're naive and gullible. That's not a fault, it's just you're not suspicious enough.

I also feel badly for people being forced to wear a mask for 8 hours a day. There is no need for this. Masks are probably largely harmless (as long as they are cleaned or replaced - otherwise they are petri dishes) - there's no need for them. Our society is going under a test for how gullible and naive we are. Embrace cynicism. Our government is lying to us, AGAIN. You have Florida that is entirely open, you've seen Sweden, China is entirely open - our lockdowns are not to protect the populace. Why do you think Newsom, Cuomo and Whitmer placed sars-cov2-19+ patients in nursing homes? To help society? They're sociopaths.

Our government leaders are evil, they kill people, intentionally, to gain control and power. That's our real government. Have the courage to trust yourself and not others. What do you see? Imagine our rulers are just ruthless people who don't care about the welfare of people, what do their actions actually accomplish? Trust your own thinking.

Never attribute stupidity to evil, when the government is involved. They hide behind "aw shucks, I'm just dum" all the time. They aren't stupid.
19   BoomAndBustCycle   ignore (1)   2021 Feb 17, 9:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
I mean no insult at all with this, but I think you're naive and gullible. That's not a fault, it's just you're not suspicious enough.


I’m not gullible... I’m actually moderate and realistic. Wearing a mask from time to time is realistically a small inconvenience. I’m annoyed at far left people who are afraid to open schools even after all adults become vaccinated. I’m also frustrated with jackasses that throw tantrums because a business owner asks them to put on a mask to pick up food.

I feel like you have to be far right or far left to fucking be heard. I want a fucking middle of the road common sense party.
20   GlocknLoad   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 17, 9:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BoomAndBustCycle says
But I feel like a loser to complain with how little I actually have to wear one.

And that is YOU. You are the selfish dick. I have found that those who really don't care all that much are the ones who work from home or work for the government (really what they are doing is sitting on their asses collecting a paycheck while many people who pay their salaries are unemployed or underemployed because their employers are fucked) I do not care what other people have to do. That is not my responsibility. Good lord man, get ahold of yourself. This is about freedom. Do you like freedom? It really is that simple.

Btw, freedom is not "Do this or die". Yes, die. If a person cannot work or purchase, they will die. In essence, this is the choice many people are faced with.
21   GlocknLoad   ignore (0)   2021 Feb 17, 9:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BoomAndBustCycle says
I want a fucking middle of the road common sense party.

Why is it so difficult to understand that we are all different. What is "common sense" to you can often look like insanity to others. Fuck others. Do you really want others to dictate your life to you? Do you? We are not all the same...thank God. We are individuals. As far as business owners and property rights go, they no longer exist. Seriously think about it. The government can tell you what to do at any time concerning your property. They can even take it away from you. I do not feel a business owner can dictate to me. That may sound crazy but, they already really do not own their own stores. Think about it. Also, we (many people more and more) live in an environment where we cannot do much for ourselves. It's not like I have any choice but to go to a grocery store. WHAT THE FUCK...have you heard what the California government says you can get away with concerning theft? If I understand correctly, you can go into a store and steal as much as $950 worth of merch and you will not get arrested. Does that sound like property rights to you? We are on a path you cannot imagine if shit does not turn around. We have assholes trying to tell us we will never be free of the fucking mask and here you are acting like a weenie. We are becoming a society where there is no wiggle room to operate. If our government was even close to protecting freedom, they would allow businesses to choose whether or not to enforce masking. Hell, why not have all your customers sign a waiver saying YOUR ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY AND HEALTH. That would be real property rights. Individual responsibility is not about saaaaaafey. Sheep want safety. Maybe you're a sheep?

That paragraph could become a book if I really had the time to sit here and write one.
22   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Feb 17, 10:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BoomAndBustCycle says
I’m not gullible... I’m actually moderate and realistic. Wearing a mask from time to time is realistically a small inconvenience. I’m annoyed at far left people who are afraid to open schools even after all adults become vaccinated. I’m also frustrated with jackasses that throw tantrums because a business owner asks them to put on a mask to pick up food.


Look, if a business owner demands I stick my pinky up my asshole and sing Over the Rainbow to do business, I will, if I'm that desperate to do business with them. If a business demands that I be white, and not black, that's fine as well - such a business will shrivel up. My complaint is government intervention which makes demands on business. Let people make their own decisions for better or worse. I favor the greater intellect of the society over my own intellect. I know for certain that society is smarter than I am, but I resent a small group of thugs taking over this thinking process, it's like a cancer.

BoomAndBustCycle says
I feel like you have to be far right or far left to fucking be heard. I want a fucking middle of the road common sense party.


I'd agree with that.

Do you find me to be far right or far left? I don't believe in the distinction. It's true versus false. That's the demarcation to me. What's correct, and what is incorrect.

You say you're not gullible, but do you think the government is imposing these standards to protect the wider populace? They shut down an economy of 330 million people over what is quite obviously a minor disease. This "pandemic" is just an excuse to exercise control over the population. It's not to protect the population. How many politicians have you seen flagrantly violating the rules they have imposed? They are hypocrites because they know we're not in a pandemic and there is little, if any, danger.
25   Onvacation   ignore (5)   2021 Feb 18, 1:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BoomAndBustCycle says
But I feel like a loser to complain with how little I actually have to wear one.

Instead of going along to get along maybe stand up for what is right. The experimental biologic agent is so wrong.

BoomAndBustCycle says
after all adults become vaccinated.

Not going to happen until there is a vaccine. And probably not even then.
26   Onvacation   ignore (5)   2021 Feb 18, 1:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Look, if a business owner demands I stick my pinky up my asshole and sing Over the Rainbow to do business

I would find another business.
27   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2021 Feb 18, 1:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BoomAndBustCycle says
The least I can do is wear a mask in someone else’s place of business /home upon request.

Why?

My shortest response ever, lol.

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