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richwicks says

When I'm wrong, I'm thankful when I'm shown to be wrong.

Same, but this is vanishingly rare. Ego defense matters more than anything, independent of political persuasion.

One of those pesky "smart end of the Dunning-Kruger effect" problems. I've had breakup tantrums where the woman says, "You just LOVE being smarter than everyone else and lording this over them!" If they only knew, it's actually a lonelier existence than the weird "Bee Girl" in the Blind Melon video. What a rare and precious experience it is indeed to find a spark of wit and intelligence among the dull, mundane masses.

Automan Empire says

SunnyvaleCA says

but there's Coke Inc employee training is going anti-white culture.
https://disrn.com/news/coke-admits-its-training-told-employees-to-be-less-white-says-curriculum-will-be-refined

Did you read the article well enough to understand that, in what has become a staple of right wing clickbait, THE HEADLINE IS NOT SUPPORTED EVEN BY ITS OWN BODY TEXT?

The headline of the linked article is 'Coke admits its training told employees to be "less white," says curriculum will be "refined"'

From the body: 'Coca-Cola company is acknowledging its participation in a learning seminar that instructed its employees to be "less white."'

Also from the body: 'its statement acknowledges that employees were prompted to participate in the LinkedIn Learning series that subjected them to such a lesson.'

Sure, the whole article might be fake news clickbait, but the article's body seems to support the headline. What makes the body text not support the headline?

Automan Empire says

Same, but this is vanishingly rare. Ego defense matters more than anything, independent of political persuasion.

As an engineer, I'll tell you that the shittiest engineers, have the biggest egos.

There's been plenty of times somebody said "you're wrong, and this is why you are wrong, and here's the explanation of why you are wrong" and I was wrong, and I learned from it. But I've worked with other engineers where I explained they were wrong, this is why they were wrong, and here's why, and they still did it the wrong way. I hate working with people like that.

Stupid people think they are smart, and smart people always suspect they are stupid. We're all stupid in some ways.

In my early career my ego was the largest block to my learning, fortunately, I got rid of it by my late 20's.

Automan Empire says

Ego defense matters more than anything, independent of political persuasion.

"Faced with a choice between changing one's mind and proving there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy with the proof."

-- John Kenneth Galbraith

richwicks says

There's been plenty of times somebody said "you're wrong, and this is why you are wrong, and here's the explanation of why you are wrong" and I was wrong, and I learned from it.

The best part about transferring from liberal arts to engineering as an undergrad was that engineers can and do prove each other wrong all the time. When you're wrong, it's over.

In liberal arts, the argument went on forever because they were so vague. No one accepted being wrong. They would just redefine something to make themselves right.

It was also nice to get out of the gloom. Liberal arts majors are all pessimistic about getting a decent job, and rightly so. Engineering students are all optimistic about getting a decent job, and rightly so for them as well.

SunnyvaleCA says

What makes the body text not support the headline

The "Be less white" piece was not Coca-Cola's company curriculum, nor is there any evidence that this was the corporation's intent. It appears to me that their curriculum linked to some "diversity training" suite of material on Linkedin, which included the offensive "Be less white" article.

People seem to have assumed that I'm pro-diversity training and am trying to defend it, and are attacking me as if this attacks diversity training. Fact is, I'm very against it, and believe that fighting against it successfully means using our limited power and energy for the cause to strike the root, rather than endlessly hack at the branches of its evil.

By attacking Coca-Cola instead of the diversity training itself, people are unwittingly protecting the actual proponents of this B.S. by mistakenly blaming Coca-Cola, assuming the corporation was motivated by wokeness and corroboration at undoing Western culture. All the anger and outrage is directed at Coca-Cola, who ultimately is NOT the primary proponent of this, and the ACTUAL nefarious proponents are sitting unchallenged right now, and will remain so after this tempest in a coke can sputters out for lack of real world relevance.

We opponents of diversity training could cast Coca-Cola as an ally and type of victim of the viral disease of intersectional bullshit, and united could raise a stink against the correct enemy that would make it VERY difficult to get other companies to lowkey adopt this in what must sound good in a boardroom presentation.

IDK if any of you remembered me calling out Hipcamp for their diversity program that was obviously written by the Anti Defamation League. Without spinning it into some dubiously related "part of the drive to destroy Western culture" narrative, I couldn't even get hardcore Trump Supporter hipcamp hosts to register interest or concern on a picogiveashit scale.

This "Coca-cola deliberately pushing woke culture" is tabloid journalism level news that gets a LOT of people worked up, but succeeds only in getting them to virtue signal that they're going to boycott Coca-Cola, albeit without closely perusing a list of brands they own or pondering their actual commitment to laissez-faire capitalism. The underhanded organizations that peddle this diversity training to big corps go untouched this round, with the way this story was presented and misinterpreted by most readers, everywhere not just on Patrick.Net.

Automan Empire says

the ACTUAL nefarious proponents are sitting unchallenged right now

OK, who are they exactly?

We need names.

Automan Empire says

The "Be less white" piece was not Coca-Cola's company curriculum, nor is there any evidence that this was the corporation's intent.

Sure is part of mine! I just got a training notice this week. I ignored it. We'll see what happens.

@just_passing_through We would enjoy photos of any interesting content in that training.

Automan Empire says

By attacking Coca-Cola instead of the diversity training itself, people are unwittingly protecting the actual proponents of this B.S. by mistakenly blaming Coca-Cola, assuming the corporation was motivated by wokeness and corroboration at undoing Western culture.

My guess is Coke, like a lot of other companies in recent years, hired a diversity dept and pledged to take their advice. And they needed to commit to X amount of annual diversity education, and this Diangelo piece is one of the things that ended up in the curriculum they curated for their employees. So I think responsibility of this is a combo of their own woke employees mostly in the diversity dept, as well as woke activists pressuring them. Of course, mgmt is accountable for these employees.

At the end of the day, I doubt many companies actually like this woke crap. They're just trying navigate it, and appease the activists to avoid their wrath and virtue signal, without upsetting other people too much, in some optimal, profitable balance. So I can mildly sympathize and view coke as a victim of wokeness pressure, but that doesn't mean they should get off from this event lightly. If we get upset, coke and other companies will see this, and realize the cost of bending the knee is higher than they thought.

The cost of bending the knee to wokeness needs to become higher than the cost of not bending the knee. Until then, companies will bend the knee. Attacking them raises their costs.

Never drink Coke anymore, and let them know why.

If enough people do this, they will change.

Patrick says

Never drink Coke anymore, and let them know why.

If enough people do this, they will change.

You can drink Dr Pepper for the rare soda cravings, tastes better and is owned by a German billionaire family ;)

Patrick says

@just_passing_through We would enjoy photos of any interesting content in that training.

I took a snapshot of the calendar invite but I hesitate to share it. I'm typing with one hand right now too after slicing my finger. Just shared with family so far but I might show the outline..

I'm not fucking doing it that's for sure. I just didn't accept the invite and trashed it. We'll see where it goes.

btw, that's all I have but the titles are shit.

Thanks Automan Empire for your thoughtful response. Getting late now, but I'll try to find some time to digest, research, and respond to your information.

mell says

You can drink Dr Pepper for the rare soda cravings, tastes better and is owned by a German billionaire family ;)

?? Germans own it? I though Dr Pepper was owned by an Massachusetts based coffee maker. Same company makes Sundrop, which is quite good if you can find the real sugar version that only comes in glass bottles. If you like Dr Pepper, you can substitute that flavor by combining seltzer water and prune juice. Next time you take a swig of Dr Pepper, see if it doesn't taste like carbonated prune juice.

Automan Empire says

The "Be less white" piece was not Coca-Cola's company curriculum, nor is there any evidence that this was the corporation's intent. It appears to me that their curriculum linked to some "diversity training" suite of material on Linkedin, which included the offensive "Be less white" article.

https://www.newsweek.com/coca-cola-facing-backlash-says-less-white-learning-plan-was-about-workplace-inclusion-1570875

Coca-Cola, facing mounting backlash from conservatives online, has responded to allegations of anti-white rhetoric after an internal whistleblower leaked screenshots of diversity training materials that encourages staff to "try to be less white."

On Friday, Karlyn Borysenko, an activist who supports banning critical race theory, shared images from an internal whistleblower of the company's online racism training. The slides included tips to learners on how to be "less white, less arrogant, less certain, less defensive, less ignorant and more humble."

Sure sounds like Coke's internal training was explicitly and deeply racist against white people, just because they were born white.

@patrick I decided to just type it in out of order rather than share the screen shot. These are 2 months worth of trainings:

1. Intersectionality & Empathy
2. Diversity and Identity
3. Individual Racism
4. Systemic Racism and Power
5. Cultural Racism
6. White Fragility and Dominance
7. Reflections and Next Steps
8. Implicit Bias

HeadSet says

If you like Dr Pepper, you can substitute that flavor by

1. Fill a pint glass half full of beer.
2. Pour amaretto into a standard shot glass. Carefully pour 151 proof rum on top of the amaretto so that it floats.
3. Carefully light the shot on fire by touching with open flame. Drop the lit shot into the half full glass of beer and slam.

Patrick says

shared images from an internal whistleblower of the company's online racism training.

Are you still running with "This was an intentional part of Coca Cola's training curriculum" here? Really no point in further discussion if yes.

Patrick says

The best part about transferring from liberal arts to engineering as an undergrad was that engineers can and do prove each other wrong all the time. When you're wrong, it's over.

You'd LIKE to think this, wouldn't you? Haven't you ever worked with an engineer that refuses to admit error? I have a friend who claims he's seen companies fail due to an engineer's inflexibility in admitting a mistake, and I believe him! Some engineers are just intransigent. I have to be careful at times to listen to objective criticism and accept when I've made an error. Part of the problem is two or more engineers won't know how to exactly solve the problem, and everybody is wrong. Been in that position more than a few times.

In my experience, "3rd time is a charm" is true. Design it once, you have crap. Design it again, and you have a nearly perfect solution. 3rd time, you have a perfect solution. You have hit every mistake already, you found a few more the 2nd time around, and by 3 you've hit ever ditch and pothole and avoid them all.

richwicks says

Haven't you ever worked with an engineer that refuses to admit error?

Unfortunately.

just_passing_through says

HeadSet says

If you like Dr Pepper, you can substitute that flavor by

1. Fill a pint glass half full of beer.
2. Pour amaretto into a standard shot glass. Carefully pour 151 proof rum on top of the amaretto so that it floats.
3. Carefully light the shot on fire by touching with open flame. Drop the lit shot into the half full glass of beer and slam.

Party Animal here - Beast Class

Just making my own soda anyway, still using that old SODA machine from days when patrick.net members invested into that company's stock. I'm not using their flavorings though, just the soda making machine I bought a long time ago. Makes better carbonated water on demand, and much easier than buying cans.

Automan Empire says

Patrick says

shared images from an internal whistleblower of the company's online racism training.

Are you still running with "This was an intentional part of Coca Cola's training curriculum" here? Really no point in further discussion if yes.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

Sure looks like the course was mandatory, and paid for by the Coca Cola corporation.

HeadSet says

Party Animal here - Beast Class

Former but yeah, the good ol' Flaming Dr. Pepper...

Patrick says

Sure looks like the course was mandatory, and paid for by the Coca Cola corporation.

That article is a different rehash of the same flawed source material, plus a youtube of a woman spending 11 minutes emoting about the same screenshot in this thread, and a Linkedin webpage that's 404 now. This isn't proof that Coca Cola planned this as accused, its porno for people already convinced of this outcome just wanting to fap to it.

As I said above, I'm against diversity training but think this bizarre Right Wing Cancel Culture witch hunt makes a fatal tactical error by attacking Coca-Cola as if the "be less white" shit was THEIR plan and intent. The evidence I see is that an outside race hustling consultant used a "diversity training" gig with Coca Cola to trojan horse her radical ideas by linking them through the more palatable training Coca Cola thought they were purchasing when they retained her.

We agree that we hate intersectional politics and race baiting. What are the ethics of being "right for the wrong reasons" though? For the same effort on our part, we could ally with the marketing power and influence of Coca Cola and hit these diversity training consultants REALLY HARD in a way that promises to stop them cold where they've been immune to criticism till now. Losing this opportunity, and tacitly allowing the damage to follow when the race hustlers get away from this round scot-free, are some of the real costs of being wrong about this.

Die coke! Die!

All Coke is doing is having HR repeat the themes of Robin DiAngelo's "Bestselling" (aka Relentlessly Promoted by) NYT Book.

Automan Empire says

The evidence I see is that an outside race hustling consultant used a "diversity training" gig with Coca Cola to trojan horse her radical ideas

This is the normal operating procedure as far as I can tell, with strong assistance from race hustlers on the inside, usually HR women.

The corporations know what they are getting and don't object out of abject fear of the leftist mob.

Do you really think that Coke is going to shitcan a bunch leftist harpies in their HR department?

Do you think they will sue not only to get their money back but for reputational damages from the WOKE people who put together this training?

No, they bent the knee.

Until corporations start fighting back we need to put as much pressure on them as possible.

Just think, the reserved parking space for Coach Lester White above could have a sign "White Only."

HeadSet says

Just think, the reserved parking space for Coach Lester White above could have a sign "White Only."

Oh man, that's excellent.

I have a friend with the last name White who lives in Seattle. I told him he should put "Whites Only" in his driveway for kicks. No way he'll do it, but I had to say it now.