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Isn't the question a double negative?

I saw that UFO over San Jose when I was fifteen performing rapid right angle maneuvers. I didn't think of UFO at the time, I just thought that the military had some technology that was secret. I asked my Father, he was a Naval aviator, he didn't answer. There was no internet llke today, I didn't learn computers until 1996, there was no place a kid could find out anything about such things except some tawdry documentaries sometimes on TV. i thought about calling a local military base about it, but never did.

However, the experience was permanently etched in my brain. It wasn't until I was 29 and I was browsing drug store books that a UFO book explained the sighting as a UFO.

Seeing a "real" UFO will give you the permanent spooks. i don't know if it was better or worse than not seeing it, but it definitely opened up my mind.

Short of such an experience, I wouldn't expect anyone to believe in them, except for the persistence of credible viewers and anecdotes.

When I was a kid I saw multi colored rotating lights off in the distant sky. We were spooked and sure we were witnessing a UFO.
Until much later in my life, I saw a box kite with spinners on each side with lights imbedded in them.
Then I was convinced that was what I saw.

Are alien abductions real, or is it all a conspiracy?

clambo says

Are alien abductions real, or is it all a conspiracy?

Why would Aliens bring the subjects back?

Tenpoundbass says

Why would Aliens bring the subjects back?

Remember "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom". Those fuckers would go all over the world tranquin', weighin' probin', taggin' and releasing wild animals.

Do you think that Baboon that woke up with a hangover and a new piercing thinks an alien abducted him?

"Last thing I remember was a loud noise coming from the sky when everything went dark. I woke up with this tag permanently attached to my ear and a sore butthole. I think it was aliens!"

Marlin Perkins strikes again!

Onvacation says

Those fuckers would go all over the world tranquin', weighin' probin', taggin' and releasing wild animals.

Yes, but now the aliens no longer need to tag and track us. They just tap into our mobile devices.

Cell Phones disprove UFOs.

The old excuse was that nobody kept a 35mm or 8mm with available film in their pickup or was able to run inside and dig through their cabinets to find where they left it when Aunt Edna finally got married a year ago.

Now even South American Trash collectors and African Guiness Delivery Truckers ride around with their smart phones.

Where's all the pics?

Onvacation says

Remember "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom". Those fuckers would go all over the world tranquin', weighin' probin', taggin' and releasing wild animals.

Do you think that Baboon that woke up with a hangover and a new piercing thinks an alien abducted him?

I doubt they would come all this way, millions of years traveling the speed of light, just to check our vitals, and tag us. And not even take a few, to eat on for the ride back.

There's just too many styles and types of UFO's reported, they aren't even consentient, and the Aliens, aren't even consistent either.
You would think one of the fuckers would have came here on a mission and meant business when they got here. If they had the technology to get here, they could obliterate us, and there would be nothing we could do.

I believe the Universe is chocked full of life from the most primordial, to the most advanced. But no matter who advanced they are, none will ever solve the paradox of traveling thousands and millions of lightyears to get from one planetary system to the next. The Universe is just too spread out.

I believe simple life can be dispersed and last the thousands or even millions of years it takes to get to planets where they can be revived.
But complex organisms can not survive a journey like that. For one thing, where in the hell are they going to get the specialized food, their species evolved to depend on, for a 100,000 year journey?

Even if the species built a Space ship capable of of making a long voyage. I think the group think that created the political will to make that voyage, could change over the course of the journey. Mutiny would be a huge factor in that journey.

Tenpoundbass says

I believe the Universe is chocked full of life from the most primordial, to the most advanced. But no matter who advanced they are, none will ever solve the paradox of traveling thousands and millions of lightyears to get from one planetary system to the next. The Universe is just too spread out.

I call that my "10,000 Years BC Theory." There were people on every continent in 10,000 BC, but no way they would ever travel to meet each other.

HeadSet says

I call that my "10,000 Years BC Theory." There were people on every continent in 10,000 BC, but no way they would ever travel to meet each other.

Yes but an ocean voyage on flotsam is still very possible, even by accident. There is no intentional way get advanced organisms from one start to another.

I could envision a crashed space ship one day that has fossilized occupants that are millions of years old. People that go so advanced and full of themselves, that they thought they could make an interstellar voyage. Just like Humans will reckon one day in our future. It will be a suicide mission just like the Mars mission.

Man will never make it to Mars, how's that for space travel optimism?

I also believe that if our Scientist saw an Earth like planet, but was 5 times bigger. And they found a way we could get there.
The gravity on that planet would crush us, flatter than if we went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench without deep diving equipment.

We just have to build the technology and find the right wormhole. But that just brings up a whole new can of philosophical worms.

The most common form of large orbiting objects are Ice Moons.

Many go around a gas giant, so there could be enough friction to create undersea vents and an ocean with energy and therefore life.

The life probably wouldn't have visual capacity since the Ocean would be dark as fuck.

Then, after many billions of years, they'd bump/smell/feel the microvirbrations in the 100km thick Ice Sheet surrounding their Ocean, perceive the universe as just their little Ocean and the literal Firmament above them, just like the Ancient concept of the world being encircled in a dome.

Being totally immersed in water, fire would come late and rocket engines maybe never. Then of course they'd have to bother trying to drill through 100km of "Firmament" from an Oceanic base.

If there was enough energy to get to higher order, advanced mammalian life in that relatively closed system in the first place.

My 'other' UFO sighting (total two) of a lifetime was around the geyser areas of Calistoga. It was soundless grey lozenge flying at relatively low altitude and moderate speed up the valley. It just went by and performed no maneuvers. It was a bright, clear sunlit day and the lozenge was about 30 degrees up from the Western horizon from where I saw it, and it was not too distant because I could clearly see its shape. This was in an area where any small cub airplane made a racket. I would watch small airplanes fly by with their sound trailing due to time lag. A jet traveling at same speed would have been really noisy. I gather there were periods of time when UFO sightings in the Napa Valley were quite common.

None of the pictures above look exactly like it, but I suppose B4 would be closest, maybe a composite of B4 and N5. I have seen pictures of UFOs in Italy that look exactly like the one I saw.

I always look at the skies when I am out but haven't seen anything else that can't be explained away by other means.

I never mentioned these things to anybody during peak career (and reputation) time, but now that I am financially independent I don't give a flying fuck any more.

HunterTits says

Tenpoundbass says

There is no intentional way get advanced organisms from one start to another.

Who sez?

Because the only way to even contemplate it is to invent Fantasy like wormholes and conjure up notions about bent time and space, because the data from a telescope suggested that gravitational lensing is possible.

Onvacation says

We just have to build the technology and find the right wormhole.

In reality what they are proposing with bending the fabric of space to fold it upon itself, so that two distant points are closer.
Is a total Universe Calamity, all of the other Stars and Planets will all be scrunched up, and slammed together with greater forces, than the formation of the creation of the Universe. Then what about the unbending, wouldn't there now be concern about the space where your planetary orbit and the planet's place in it, will all still be there in the same spot, when it bounces back. What about recoil and oscillation when it bounces back, and the possibility that another Star has been smooshed into our space?
Never in any Scientist wildest dreams, did they ever expect to see a sphere of invisible hot plasma surrounding our whole solar system after you exit the Kuiper belt.
That's according to reports last year as the Voyager made it to that point past Pluto. If it's true it throws everything we expect space to be like, based on physics as we expect the behaviors we can observe on Earth.

Also it was one space probe, what if it just by luck went through an isolated region of plasma produced by forces we still don't understand. Not to say for our solar system to be enclosed in a plasma sphere isn't unexplained enough. What if what we assume is gas and dust, is actually plasma that has cocooned the entire nebula, making it appear it is gases and dust? A plasma galactic exoskeleton might even explain dark matter, and why it appears Galaxies are a giant dust bunny connected by and invisible force.

Human beings have thousands upon thousands of different vehicle forms. Does one expect a hypothetical advanced technologic intelligence to restrict itself to a couple of models?

All of intergalatic hoopties, not a chance.

That's another thing, these craft are in immaculate condition to have traveled so far for so long.
Nobody thinks to put patina on their hoax craft.

Hollywood does though.

Now does anyone still not think, that creative people can't make a drone look like an Alien invasion?

Like Orson Wells made a radio broadcast sound like an invasion from Mars?