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Also notice how you have to find out about this from a British newspaper?

Exactly!

US papers avoid reporting on US corruption.

Probably just looking for blackmail, frame-up info, and extortion tidbits. It's what they do. They'll bury for the right price and expose for the right price. Federal Bureau Of Blackmail And Selective Justice. Political Hatchet Jobs And Cover Ups 'R Us, but don't expect us to enforce the Constitution or investigate or prosecute actual crimes, unless it is for political purposes.

The foreign city state of Washington DC does not operate under Constitutional Law. The Constitution is 'for the people', but only when they feel like it.

Yes.

This means they have the resources and methods to do it for digital vaults also.

The takeaway from this is that safe deposit boxes are no longer "safe" from criminal elements. This line of bank business should dry up almost overnight.. but we have witnessed the level of critical thinking displayed by people, so there's a good chance that won't actually happen.

Karloff says

The takeaway from this is that safe deposit boxes are no longer "safe" from criminal elements.

Wait, weren't they raided by Rosevelt back in 1933 when posession of gold was banned? If nobody learned any lessons then, they won't learn any now.

They were also raided in London maybe a decade ago iirc.

Karloff says

The takeaway from this is that safe deposit boxes are no longer "safe" from criminal elements. This line of bank business should dry up almost overnight.. but we have witnessed the level of critical thinking displayed by people, so there's a good chance that won't actually happen.

some critical thinking here: maybe they're called "safe" deposit boxes instead of "secret" deposit boxes because they are boxes for safekeeping of stuff like important documents, not for keeping secret stashes of secret stuff.

That's what's in the safe deposit box I use.

If your documents get swept up in some LE fishing expedition and you cannot access them when you need them, what then?

Is there any doubt that the FBI has morphed into the henchmen of oppressively governments? They've stopped zero mass shootings/terror attacks despite having access to everyone's email, keyboard, and god knows what else. And they routinely violate the rights of ordinary citizens.

Maybe it's where Epstein's kill switch videos are located. That would mean they are going to suppress them in lieu of ongoing blackmail.

Remember Barr and his righteously shaking wattles declaring on TV he was going to get to the bottom of the Epstein matter? After that, the silence was deafening.

From the article:

Agents with the FBI and Drug Enforcement Agency seized the contents of every single box on on March 22 after being granted a warrant

I am not a fan of intrusive government, but that does not seem to be the case here. It looks like some police work uncovered a business that catered to high level drug dealers by storing contraband, weapons, and cash, as well as laundering money. This business catered to criminals with their policies of nothing marked (no way to know what box belonged to who, so you have to open every box) and no ID required. This is the kind of stuff the FBI should be doing instead of political jackbooting like what happened to Roger Stone or political frame-ups like on Gen Flynn.

Tempted to store dildos in safe deposit boxes with giant FBI label on it.

Fortwaynemobile says

Tempted to store dildos in safe deposit boxes with giant FBI label on it.

LOL! That would be great if you knew of another impending violation of the 4th Amendment by the FBI.

I'm sure the FBI will violate the Constitution again and again, but they won't say when, so it would be expensive to have the box just for this.

HeadSet says

so you have to open every box

That's exactly what violates the 4th Amendment.

People not accused of a crime are being subject to unreasonable search and seizure.

It's the same kind of thing Edward Snowden showed they illegally do with cellphone records.

I've learned more from TMZ and daily mail than I learned from CNN or MSNBC. not even close

Patrick says

US papers avoid reporting on US corruption

Patrick says

I'm sure the FBI will violate the Constitution again and again, but they won't say when, so it would be expensive to have the box just for this.

Looks like they had a warrant. So the FBI didn't violate the Constitution. The judge who granted that warrant should be impeached and removed, tho.

HunterTits says

Patrick says

I'm sure the FBI will violate the Constitution again and again, but they won't say when, so it would be expensive to have the box just for this.

Looks like they had a warrant. So the FBI didn't violate the Constitution. The judge who granted that warrant should be impeached and removed, tho.

I'm sure law enforcement will look into this.

Do people actually use safe deposit boxes still? My local bank is appointment only still to get inside because of Covid. I don't know, always seems backwards to store anything of value in a place that is a massive target for robbery. It's also super inconvenient. There are relatively cheap alternative.

Fire and waterproof safe behind a hidden wall or room is the way to go. I don't do it anymore but might start doing it again, keep $20k or so of cash in my safe. If it's just documents and cash, you don't need a monster safe either. Just make sure you can bolt it down to a surface that isn't easily manipulated. Concrete would be best.

My uncle keeps a safe with a minimum of $200k in cash... lol. Almost all those types do. Dead money, but every ultra wealthy person does it. They get paranoid once they get so much of it.

WookieMan says

Do people actually use safe deposit boxes still? My local bank is appointment only still to get inside because of Covid. I don't know, always seems backwards to store anything of value in a place that is a massive target for robbery. It's also super inconvenient. There are relatively cheap alternative.

I use it for documents that would be a hassle to replace. Only time I needed to access it was to retrieve passport which is only occasional like once every 5 or so years, and car titles which is even less frequent.

It's cheaper than a safe at home. Also, the bank being able to "get into it" is an aspect I consider, for my application, a benefit, not a drawback.

A friend of mine who passed away a couple of years ago showed me the safe at his place (SFH rental). I did not ask to see the safe, I did not want to see the safe. But he insisted. Maybe he was frustrated because he was a Gun Nut living among H1's and artsy fartsy Left Coast Types, and he knew that I was more open minded about those stuff than others in these parts.

His docs were in his safe, as was a bullion stash. His arsenal was also stored in there, he took those weapons out, one by one to show me. All the empty space between was filled with boxes of bullets for the various calibers of rifles and pistols, and shells for the shotguns.

He told me that the safe was so heavy that it had to be moved into the garage with a forklift.

He didn't trust his spouse. I doubt she had access to it.

He passed away a couple of years ago. I dunno whatever became of that safe and its contents.

B.A.C.A.H. says

He didn't trust his spouse. I doubt she had access to it.

He passed away a couple of years ago. I dunno whatever became of that safe and its contents.

A locksmith has opened it. Not a problem at all.

FuckCCP89 says

weren't they raided by Rosevelt back in 1933 when posession of gold was banned

Well if they did, they overlooked my father's 1898 $5 gold coin from the year of his birth that he saved and that I have to this day in a safety deposit box.

NDrLoR says

Well if they did, they overlooked my father's 1898 $5 gold coin from the year of his birth that he saved and that I have to this day in a safety deposit box.

Not exactly "raiding", though close.

The law, in 1934, was that safe deposit boxes could only be opened in the presence of a government agent.

B.A.C.A.H. says

I use it for documents that would be a hassle to replace. Only time I needed to access it was to retrieve passport which is only occasional like once every 5 or so years, and car titles which is even less frequent.

What documents are a hassle though? Like car titles or something? Most documents you have to physically go to a location anyway to get replicated, just like you'd have to go to a safe deposit box at a bank to get them. I mean maybe one location is closer than another and I know CA traffic is a pain, so there's that.

I just like having quick access in a moments notice. Especially now with covid and how we'll likely deal with novel viruses moving forward. Shut down and the possibility you cannot even get into the bank. Our main bank is 20 min away and we're trading in a paid off car this week to get a new one. Easier to grab it and not go to a bank under covid restrictions.

And not saying it's bad. Everyone has their own preferences and reasons. I just prefer the safe in home. No one is getting into my house that's not the government with a legit warrant.

WookieMan says

What documents are a hassle though?

hassle to replace.

Yes, I know. It's SF Bay-Area Centric Patrick.net. SF Bay Area, we must be Snarkey.

A "free" safe deposit box that's at a nearby bank branch is a convenient place to keep that sort of stuff compared to installing a safe for that purpose. But that's just me. I'm not in the 3% or 1% or whatever.

I'm sure you'll point out why yours is better.

It appears Hollywood doesn't mind.

B.A.C.A.H. says

hassle to replace.

Yes, I know. It's SF Bay-Area Centric Patrick.net. SF Bay Area, we must be Snarkey.

A "free" safe deposit box that's at a nearby bank branch is a convenient place to keep that sort of stuff compared to installing a safe for that purpose. But that's just me. I'm not in the 3% or 1% or whatever.

I'm sure you'll point out why yours is better.

What is a hassle to replace I guess is what I'm asking? I don't care if it's your preference to have that stuff at a bank. That's your preference. I don't agree it makes sense, but it's okay that we disagree. It works for you. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. Just pointing out the alternative.

The OP is talking about government getting into bank safe deposit boxes. That cannot happen at my home without a warrant. They likely went through boxes they didn't have warrants for. Even if it's just a car title, do you want the government potentially looking through your things without knowledge? Only to find out later about it? It's a slippery slope.

I have a $150 safe. It's nothing fancy. It's worth it for me to have control and is a small insurance policy so to speak. You don't with a bank if the government wants to confiscate whatever you have there. And you likely wouldn't even know it's happening. That scares me.