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FBI raids every single safe deposit box at Beverly Hills location, violating the 4th Amendment on mass scale

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Apr 4, 1:51pm 389 views   27 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9434405/FBI-raided-Beverly-Hills-safety-deposit-box-business-prompting-customers-call-unconstitutional.html

Assistant U.S. Attorney Andrew Brown said in court filings that some customers are 'honest citizens' but defended seizing all of the boxes 'to distinguish between honest and criminal customers,' The Los Angeles Times reported.

'The government must examine the specific facts of each box and each claim,' Brown reportedly said.

Another Beverly Hills attorney with several clients who are customers of U.S. Private Vaults told The Los Angeles Times that the government's actions 'show low regard for the Fourth Amendment.'

Attorney Nina Marino slammed the government for 'seizing innocent box owners' property' and viewing it even if some boxes were used to commit crimes.

'It's just outrageous that the government has such low regard for the 4th Amendment and for an individual's expectation of privacy,' she said.

Beth Colgan, a UCLA law professor, told The Los Angeles Times that it would be shocking if a judge had allowed the FBI to search every box in the sealed warrant.

'I would just be very surprised if a judge had approved a warrant that would allow the FBI to go through every single box absent evidence that the entire system was corrupt,' she said.


And then they demand that each box owner expose all their personal information to Google via embedded Recaptcha javascript to try to get their own property back:

1   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 4, 2:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Also notice how you have to find out about this from a British newspaper?
2   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 4, 2:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Exactly!

US papers avoid reporting on US corruption.
3   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 4, 2:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Probably just looking for blackmail, frame-up info, and extortion tidbits. It's what they do. They'll bury for the right price and expose for the right price. Federal Bureau Of Blackmail And Selective Justice. Political Hatchet Jobs And Cover Ups 'R Us, but don't expect us to enforce the Constitution or investigate or prosecute actual crimes, unless it is for political purposes.

The foreign city state of Washington DC does not operate under Constitutional Law. The Constitution is 'for the people', but only when they feel like it.
4   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 4, 3:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Yes.

This means they have the resources and methods to do it for digital vaults also.
5   Karloff   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 4, 5:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The takeaway from this is that safe deposit boxes are no longer "safe" from criminal elements. This line of bank business should dry up almost overnight.. but we have witnessed the level of critical thinking displayed by people, so there's a good chance that won't actually happen.
6   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2021 Apr 4, 5:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Karloff says
The takeaway from this is that safe deposit boxes are no longer "safe" from criminal elements.


Wait, weren't they raided by Rosevelt back in 1933 when posession of gold was banned? If nobody learned any lessons then, they won't learn any now.
7   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 4, 5:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

They were also raided in London maybe a decade ago iirc.
8   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 4, 6:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Karloff says
The takeaway from this is that safe deposit boxes are no longer "safe" from criminal elements. This line of bank business should dry up almost overnight.. but we have witnessed the level of critical thinking displayed by people, so there's a good chance that won't actually happen.


some critical thinking here: maybe they're called "safe" deposit boxes instead of "secret" deposit boxes because they are boxes for safekeeping of stuff like important documents, not for keeping secret stashes of secret stuff.

That's what's in the safe deposit box I use.
9   Karloff   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 4, 6:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

If your documents get swept up in some LE fishing expedition and you cannot access them when you need them, what then?
10   theoakman   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 4, 7:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Is there any doubt that the FBI has morphed into the henchmen of oppressively governments? They've stopped zero mass shootings/terror attacks despite having access to everyone's email, keyboard, and god knows what else. And they routinely violate the rights of ordinary citizens.
11   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 4, 7:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Maybe it's where Epstein's kill switch videos are located. That would mean they are going to suppress them in lieu of ongoing blackmail.

Remember Barr and his righteously shaking wattles declaring on TV he was going to get to the bottom of the Epstein matter? After that, the silence was deafening.
12   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 4, 7:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

From the article:

Agents with the FBI and Drug Enforcement Agency seized the contents of every single box on on March 22 after being granted a warrant

I am not a fan of intrusive government, but that does not seem to be the case here. It looks like some police work uncovered a business that catered to high level drug dealers by storing contraband, weapons, and cash, as well as laundering money. This business catered to criminals with their policies of nothing marked (no way to know what box belonged to who, so you have to open every box) and no ID required. This is the kind of stuff the FBI should be doing instead of political jackbooting like what happened to Roger Stone or political frame-ups like on Gen Flynn.
13   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2021 Apr 4, 7:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tempted to store dildos in safe deposit boxes with giant FBI label on it.
14   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 4, 9:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Fortwaynemobile says
Tempted to store dildos in safe deposit boxes with giant FBI label on it.


LOL! That would be great if you knew of another impending violation of the 4th Amendment by the FBI.

I'm sure the FBI will violate the Constitution again and again, but they won't say when, so it would be expensive to have the box just for this.
15   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 4, 10:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
so you have to open every box


That's exactly what violates the 4th Amendment.

People not accused of a crime are being subject to unreasonable search and seizure.

It's the same kind of thing Edward Snowden showed they illegally do with cellphone records.
16   MMR   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 4, 10:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I've learned more from TMZ and daily mail than I learned from CNN or MSNBC. not even close

Patrick says
US papers avoid reporting on US corruption
17   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 5, 6:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
I'm sure the FBI will violate the Constitution again and again, but they won't say when, so it would be expensive to have the box just for this.


Looks like they had a warrant. So the FBI didn't violate the Constitution. The judge who granted that warrant should be impeached and removed, tho.
18   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 5, 6:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HunterTits says
Patrick says
I'm sure the FBI will violate the Constitution again and again, but they won't say when, so it would be expensive to have the box just for this.


Looks like they had a warrant. So the FBI didn't violate the Constitution. The judge who granted that warrant should be impeached and removed, tho.


I'm sure law enforcement will look into this.
19   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 5, 8:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Do people actually use safe deposit boxes still? My local bank is appointment only still to get inside because of Covid. I don't know, always seems backwards to store anything of value in a place that is a massive target for robbery. It's also super inconvenient. There are relatively cheap alternative.

Fire and waterproof safe behind a hidden wall or room is the way to go. I don't do it anymore but might start doing it again, keep $20k or so of cash in my safe. If it's just documents and cash, you don't need a monster safe either. Just make sure you can bolt it down to a surface that isn't easily manipulated. Concrete would be best.

My uncle keeps a safe with a minimum of $200k in cash... lol. Almost all those types do. Dead money, but every ultra wealthy person does it. They get paranoid once they get so much of it.
20   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 5, 8:40am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Do people actually use safe deposit boxes still? My local bank is appointment only still to get inside because of Covid. I don't know, always seems backwards to store anything of value in a place that is a massive target for robbery. It's also super inconvenient. There are relatively cheap alternative.


I use it for documents that would be a hassle to replace. Only time I needed to access it was to retrieve passport which is only occasional like once every 5 or so years, and car titles which is even less frequent.

It's cheaper than a safe at home. Also, the bank being able to "get into it" is an aspect I consider, for my application, a benefit, not a drawback.

A friend of mine who passed away a couple of years ago showed me the safe at his place (SFH rental). I did not ask to see the safe, I did not want to see the safe. But he insisted. Maybe he was frustrated because he was a Gun Nut living among H1's and artsy fartsy Left Coast Types, and he knew that I was more open minded about those stuff than others in these parts.

His docs were in his safe, as was a bullion stash. His arsenal was also stored in there, he took those weapons out, one by one to show me. All the empty space between was filled with boxes of bullets for the various calibers of rifles and pistols, and shells for the shotguns.

He told me that the safe was so heavy that it had to be moved into the garage with a forklift.

He didn't trust his spouse. I doubt she had access to it.

He passed away a couple of years ago. I dunno whatever became of that safe and its contents.
21   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2021 Apr 5, 8:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

B.A.C.A.H. says
He didn't trust his spouse. I doubt she had access to it.

He passed away a couple of years ago. I dunno whatever became of that safe and its contents.


A locksmith has opened it. Not a problem at all.
22   NDrLoR   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 5, 8:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FuckCCP89 says
weren't they raided by Rosevelt back in 1933 when posession of gold was banned
Well if they did, they overlooked my father's 1898 $5 gold coin from the year of his birth that he saved and that I have to this day in a safety deposit box.
23   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 5, 9:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NDrLoR says
Well if they did, they overlooked my father's 1898 $5 gold coin from the year of his birth that he saved and that I have to this day in a safety deposit box.


Not exactly "raiding", though close.

The law, in 1934, was that safe deposit boxes could only be opened in the presence of a government agent.
24   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 5, 11:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

B.A.C.A.H. says
I use it for documents that would be a hassle to replace. Only time I needed to access it was to retrieve passport which is only occasional like once every 5 or so years, and car titles which is even less frequent.

What documents are a hassle though? Like car titles or something? Most documents you have to physically go to a location anyway to get replicated, just like you'd have to go to a safe deposit box at a bank to get them. I mean maybe one location is closer than another and I know CA traffic is a pain, so there's that.

I just like having quick access in a moments notice. Especially now with covid and how we'll likely deal with novel viruses moving forward. Shut down and the possibility you cannot even get into the bank. Our main bank is 20 min away and we're trading in a paid off car this week to get a new one. Easier to grab it and not go to a bank under covid restrictions.

And not saying it's bad. Everyone has their own preferences and reasons. I just prefer the safe in home. No one is getting into my house that's not the government with a legit warrant.
25   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 5, 12:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
What documents are a hassle though?


hassle to replace.

Yes, I know. It's SF Bay-Area Centric Patrick.net. SF Bay Area, we must be Snarkey.

A "free" safe deposit box that's at a nearby bank branch is a convenient place to keep that sort of stuff compared to installing a safe for that purpose. But that's just me. I'm not in the 3% or 1% or whatever.

I'm sure you'll point out why yours is better.
26   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2021 Apr 5, 9:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It appears Hollywood doesn't mind.
27   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 6, 8:06am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

B.A.C.A.H. says
hassle to replace.

Yes, I know. It's SF Bay-Area Centric Patrick.net. SF Bay Area, we must be Snarkey.

A "free" safe deposit box that's at a nearby bank branch is a convenient place to keep that sort of stuff compared to installing a safe for that purpose. But that's just me. I'm not in the 3% or 1% or whatever.

I'm sure you'll point out why yours is better.

What is a hassle to replace I guess is what I'm asking? I don't care if it's your preference to have that stuff at a bank. That's your preference. I don't agree it makes sense, but it's okay that we disagree. It works for you. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. Just pointing out the alternative.

The OP is talking about government getting into bank safe deposit boxes. That cannot happen at my home without a warrant. They likely went through boxes they didn't have warrants for. Even if it's just a car title, do you want the government potentially looking through your things without knowledge? Only to find out later about it? It's a slippery slope.

I have a $150 safe. It's nothing fancy. It's worth it for me to have control and is a small insurance policy so to speak. You don't with a bank if the government wants to confiscate whatever you have there. And you likely wouldn't even know it's happening. That scares me.

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