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A Chinese Invasion Of Taiwan?????

By ohomen171 follow ohomen171   2021 Apr 10, 3:58am 1,045 views   69 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


Elena has been concerned as of late about mainland China forcefully retaking Taiwan. Before we get into the military challenges of such an action, let us look at the geopolitical considerations. The US and Chinese economies are intertwined to a great extent. If one party pulled away, their economy would collapse. The world economy would follow. Let us look at the special case of Taiwan and mainland China. Taiwan provides the mainland with a lot of FDI-foreign direct investment. When a Chinese company has a desperate need for skilled workers, the first place that they look is Taiwan. There is a huge volume of trade between the mainland and Taiwan. A military action would destroy all this economic activity.
Now let us look at an actual military operation where the Chinese military attempts to invade Taiwan. Ask the Nazis and the US Navy; it is very hard to invade an island. Nazi Germany could not even mount an invasion to overpower the UK. The US Navy struggled with all its island invasions in World War II. To invade an island, you need absolute air and naval superiority. Mainland China has an impressive military with large numbers. They would face US forces, Taiwan forces, and possible Japanese forces. They would not have absolute control of the skies and the sea. The Chinese military could not afford to inflict too much damage on Taiwan for the economic reasons cited above. They would also be sensitive to world public opinion.
In the end of the day, their only route to reclaiming what they see is rightfully theirs is "winning through intimidation." They will have to use psychology to intimate all opponents. The Japanese did this brilliantly in Singapore at the start of World War II.

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30   FarmersWon   ignore (17)   2021 Apr 10, 9:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I am worried about china taking over semiconductor expertise of Taiwan.
TSMC/UMC etc. should build fabs in US for diversification.

Taiwan/US should also keep explosives ready to "blow up" fabs if china ever near control of island.
31   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 10, 9:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

farmer2021 says
I am worried about china taking over semiconductor expertise of Taiwan.
TSMC/UMC etc. should build fabs in US for diversification.

Taiwan/US should also keep explosives ready to "blow up" fabs if china ever near control of island.


Direct military action is not how China is getting the Taiwan expertise. It is old fashioned capitalism. They are paying the Taiwan workers more to work for China chipmakers than the Taiwanese are paying them. The Chinese will also steal any and all intellectual property they can, and they are good at that.
32   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2021 Apr 10, 10:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

farmer2021 says
I am worried about china taking over semiconductor expertise of Taiwan.


^--- This
33   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 11, 12:21am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I'd be more worried about Xi Biden removing the restrictions in place on Huawei as well as America's propaganda against them.

Already the regulations against Tik-Tok have been abandoned.
34   BayArea   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 11, 6:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

ohomen171 says
Elena has been concerned


Lol
35   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 12, 6:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Who cares about Taiwan?

Don't we have enough problems at home?
36   FuckCCP89   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 12, 6:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HunterTits says
Who cares about Taiwan?


Elena.
37   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 12, 8:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

One good aspect is that this might drive much chip production back to the US.
38   FarmersWon   ignore (17)   2021 Apr 12, 9:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
One good aspect is that this might drive much chip production back to the US.


American sharp minds spend too much effort on silly software and casino economy of Silicon Valley.
It is hard to make good money in hard sciences.
It is failure of our system.
39   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 12, 9:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FuckCCP89 says
Who cares about Taiwan?


Elena.

i'm glad Elena isn't my muse. I'm sappy enough.
41   FarmersWon   ignore (17)   2021 Apr 13, 9:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

No amount of money should make China buy semiconductor expertise. I know How hard it is to develop and perfect this technology.
Software development especially social media is intelligence agency control apparatus and very easy to develop.
Europe needs to guard semiconductor technology. USA is run by idiots.

https://semiengineering.com/why-euv-is-so-difficult/
42   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2021 Apr 13, 9:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

farmer2021 says
It is hard to make good money in hard sciences.


No it's not. I've made millions. Now, I'd agree with a modified statement, "It is hard to make good money in SOME hard sciences."
43   just_passing_through   ignore (8)   2021 Apr 13, 9:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HunterTits says
Who cares about Taiwan?

Don't we have enough problems at home?


Nothing is going to happen in Taiwan any time soon. Not before the upcoming Beijing Olympics. Which we should boycott and peer pressure others into doing.
45   Blue   ignore (0)   2021 Oct 11, 2:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
One good aspect is that this might drive much chip production back to the US.

It takes minimum 5 yrs to see production if it ever happens. It's a great start from national security point of view.
46   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 11, 2:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blue says
Patrick says
One good aspect is that this might drive much chip production back to the US.

It takes minimum 5 yrs to see production if it ever happens. It's a great start from national security point of view.


If starting from scratch. Wouldn't be starting from scratch, though.
47   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Oct 11, 3:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blue says
It takes minimum 5 yrs to see production if it ever happens. It's a great start from national security point of view.

They can go warp speed on it.

Remember all the ventilators? AND we cured the cold in less than a year!
48   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 11, 3:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
They can go warp speed on it.


How long can it take, to build a fabrication facility, with existing know-how, proven technologies to build proven products, with existing infrastructure, and in some places, existing (idled) shells of buildings, compared to building the Manhattan Project which took more like three years?

Really. Five years is silly.
49   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Oct 11, 3:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Misc says
Yes, they have an optics problem concerning their Uyghurs and their education efforts to bring this group into the 21st century, but we have similar problems concerning a large portion of the Blacks in this country.


This is a false claim.

US blacks are not in labor camps. It's not similar in the least.


No Patrick, I think you're wrong here.

If you're a white guy smoking crack cocaine, nothing happens to you especially if you have some wealth or celebrity.

If you're a poor black guy, you become slave labor.

Read the 13th amendment again, we really never eliminated slave labor. The PRINCIPLE reason that pot is sill illegal in most of the country, is because if it's legal, there would be a lot less slave labor in our for profit prison system.
50   krc   ignore (0)   2021 Oct 11, 4:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
If you're a poor black guy, you become slave labor.


Actually, no. At least in CA, most crime is decriminalized for whatever that is worth. For most petty crime or drug crime, no one goes to jail anymore.
Debt slave? You might have a point if you talked about child support laws...

The real "slavery" is where a man is forced to pay child support or go to jail. That impacts all poor regardless of race but blacks in particular because of the large number of broken families (though whites are catching up quickly). Men are forced to raise and support children they don't want if the woman gets pregnant - and she will "lie" and get pregnant in oder to grab onto that income. Worse case, the man doesn't provide enough - so she can get on benefits, etc...He still owes on his future income back to the child support system - it is a mafioso racket.

Note- Women can give up their children without penalty (drop off at a hospital within a certain period of time after birth, or push to an adoption center). Men cannot. And so on - the list is too numerous.... Even the EU has now decided that if a female is pregnant, she can adopt out the child without telling the natural father. And yet, if she decides to keep it, he is on the hook to support her and the child. This is coming the US soon as well...

Men are drafted - not women. Women do not have to sign up for the selective service.
Fewer and fewer men are going to college (women are close to 60%).
Etc...

By allowing unmarried women to control men's income as if they were married, society has encouraged the decline of marriage. Women get what they want whether they are married or not. So a lot of entrapment and lies and false/actual pregnancies happen....The laws are all tilted toward females - and men just let it happen. We have a matriarchy more than a patriarchy - no matter what the N.O.W. cows say...

Don't even talk about a sexual predator as a male or female in terms of jail time and life consequence. It is a joke.

Men are the real debt slaves outside of the alpha male 1%. Even then, you see ridiculous child support agreements (note these are not even married partners) that provide 30k a month to the child ( but is really spent by and for the mother).

Sad that we actually think the biggest disparity is "racial" - it is actually "gender".
52   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Oct 11, 4:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If China invades Taiwan and we don't do shit, this is a fucking Twofer for us. No really!

1) We don't get pulled into it. At least not directly. We'll help supply arms and crap, sure. But in the end, Taiwan either sinks or swims on its own. NATO and all the other parasites that have been living off the US defense teat will get served notice. And we want that. Well, anyone who is America First wants it. The John Kerry, CIA Deep State fucks will be pissed. No wait, that is even BETTER. :)

2) Biden will take the political fallout. This will be Afghanistan x 11, politically.

That's a Twofer in my book.
53   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 11, 4:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
If you're a white guy smoking crack cocaine, nothing happens to you especially if you have some wealth or celebrity.


Exhibit A: Hunter Biden
54   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 11, 9:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10079319/China-won-AI-battle-U-S-Pentagons-ex-software-chief-says.html


The Pentagon's first software chief RESIGNS in protest because the US has 'already lost' the AI war with China and is '20 years behind its technology'
The Pentagon's first ever chief software officer Nicolas Chaillan said he resigned over U.S. inaction on technological developments in the military
He says China has already won the Artificial Intelligence battle
'Right now, it's already a done deal – it is already over in my opinion,' he said in an interview published Sunday. 'Whether it takes a war or not is kind of anecdotal'
Comments come as China threatened Taiwan with military action as it plans to 'reunify' with the island...

China, the world's second largest economy, is likely to dominate many of the key emerging technologies, particularly artificial intelligence, synthetic biology and genetics within a decade or so, according to Western intelligence assessments.

The communist nation is set to dominate the future of the world, controlling everything from media narratives to geopolitics, Chaillan said. ...

Tensions in Asia are high right now as the Chinese Communist Party detailed its intentions to reunify with Taiwan.

Chinese state media The Global Times threatened on Sunday that the CCP 'will have little choice but to take Taiwan to the battlefield' after the island's president, Tsai Ing-wen, vowed to resist 'threats' from Beijing.

Quoting from 'experts' within China , the paper accused 'secessionist' Tsai of stirring up tensions while warning that 'resisting reunification by force will only bring doom more quickly.'


This is all the inevitable result of the betrayal of America by American elites for decades.

They weakened us by outsourcing almost all US manufacturing to China, granting the Chinese a massive head start and devastating US businesses and jobs, all for their own short-term profits.
55   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Oct 12, 11:45pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Trump told South Korea, Japan and Taiwan to get their own fucking nukes.

The US cannot be trusted.

Afghanistan showed that in spades. For 20 years we schooled Afghan women and said they could be what they wanted. Biden fucked up the withdrawal and pretty much condemned them to lives of slavery.

Any country not getting their own nukes at this point needs new leadership.
56   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2021 Oct 13, 12:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DonewithDebate says
I am worried about china taking over semiconductor expertise of Taiwan.
TSMC/UMC etc. should build fabs in US for diversification.

Taiwan/US should also keep explosives ready to "blow up" fabs if china ever near control of island.


We need to let in more illegals and train them then. Decades ago I worked security in a tech company. For the production lines they only hired female Asians and latinas, the thicker the accent, the better. They wouldn’t hire whites because they would unionize(although all the line supervisors were white males) and they wouldn’t hire blacks because of the socially inherrent difficulties.
57   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2021 Oct 13, 12:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Misc says
Trump told South Korea, Japan and Taiwan to get their own fucking nukes.

The US cannot be trusted.

Afghanistan showed that in spades. For 20 years we schooled Afghan women and said they could be what they wanted. Biden fucked up the withdrawal and pretty much condemned them to lives of slavery.

Any country not getting their own nukes at this point needs new leadership.


I don’t want anyone else getting nukes and we(the US and our allies….and from the other perspective China and their allies) should be doing everything we can including espionage and military action to stop other nations from developing nukes.

What imbecile wants everyone and their mother holding nukes? I could give two craps about fairness or whatever hippy dippy stupid notion someone has about “fairness”.
58   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2021 Oct 13, 12:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says




 



FuckTheMainstreamMedia
 
richwicks says
Patrick says
Misc says
Yes, they have an optics problem concerning their Uyghurs and their education efforts to bring this group into the 21st century, but we have similar problems concerning a large portion of the Blacks in this country.


This is a false claim.

US blacks are not in labor camps. It's not similar in the least.


No Patrick, I think you're wrong here.

If you're a white guy smoking crack cocaine, nothing happens to you especially if you have some wealth or celebrity.

If you're a poor black guy, you become slave labor.

Read the 13th amendment again, we really never eliminated slave labor. The PRINCIPLE reason that pot is sill illegal in most of the country, is because if it's legal, there would be a lot less slave labor in our for profit prison system.


You are way off the mark here, at least in California. If you are a drug user, and not a dealer, you get multiple shots at rehab. Nearly every county in California has a “drug” court that monitors such offenders…you get arrested for cocaine possession, or even a low level sales amount…you go to drug court. If you plead, you get terms to complete including completing a drug program and staying clean. If you complete all of it, at the end of a year or two the court overturns the plea, reduces it to a misdemeanor charge and you are on your merry way. Under current California law you can even petition to have the record sealed under PC 851.91, making it as though the arrest never occurred.

This idea that there’s all kinds of low level drug users in prison is absolutely false, at least as far as California goes, and a pretty huge propaganda snowjob.

What is true is two fold….

1.) A LOT of drug users commit other crimes, some of which are serious enough to garner real prison time. However that does not mean they are in prison because they are drug user.

2.) I know factually that the feds will toss drug users in prison if they are trying to get a bigger fish and want to use the user for leverage. The most public example I know of is professional poker player Mike Matasow, who served about ten months federal prison time.

One more thing…every article that’s ever appeared in Rolling Stone on the topic has lied on factual matters multiple times. They’ve run several articles and I don’t know where they get their data from, but it’s not only wrong, it’s actually completely fabricated.
59   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Oct 13, 6:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
every article that’s ever appeared in Rolling Stone on the topic has lied on factual matters multiple times. They’ve run several articles and I don’t know where they get their data from, but it’s not only wrong, it’s actually completely fabricated.

Rolling Stone has been caught with several of its articles being outright lies, not just about drugs.
60   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 13, 10:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-reassures-taiwan-chinese-invasion-is-just-part-of-the-process


WASHINGTON, D.C.—Amid a series of troublesome violations of Taiwan's air defence zone by China, President Biden took to the airwaves to address some of the concerns that the free country of Taiwan might be in danger of being invaded by the brutal Chinese communist state.

"Nothing to worry about folks, invasion is all part of the process. Happens all the time," said Biden. "If China invades Taiwan, we'll be sure to get everyone out of there, just like we did Afghanistan! And then we'll leave 80 billion dollars of weapons for the Chinese to use as sort of a housewarming gift. It's the least I can do for President Xi after he bought one of my son Hunter's paintings!"

The press pool erupted into chaos as Biden was dragged offstage by aides.

"The president was just kidding," said Psaki. "The U.S. will always remain true to our allies, and if we don't we'll just circle back to that later."

When the press continued to shout questions, Psaki responded by diving out a window.

President Xi announced that he can't wait to welcome back the people of Taiwan to the warm and loving embrace of Communism and then murder everyone.



61   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 14, 10:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

From The Wealth of Nations:

The canton of Berne derives a considerable revenue by lending a part of its treasure to foreign states; that is, by placing it in the public funds of the different indebted nations of Europe, chiefly in those of France and England. The security of this revenue must depend, first, upon the security of the funds in which it is placed, or upon the good faith of the government which has the management of them; and, secondly, upon the certainty or probability of the continuance of peace with the debtor nation. In the case of a war, the very first act of hostility, on the part of the debtor nation, might be the forfeiture of the funds of its creditor.


So if China goes to war with the US, the very first act of the US would be to nullify our debts to China.
62   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 15, 12:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Attacking Taiwan would spell death for the mainland government. CCP knows this so they don't, rather just bide time and play under-handed games until hopefully the attack models are reliable. A less expensive approach is to buy influence which they seem to be doing fairly well.
63   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Oct 15, 12:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
So if China goes to war with the US, the very first act of the US would be to nullify our debts to China.


It's a pittance now. China has divested from the treasuries quite some time ago.

I swear to fucking god, the democrats and the entire oligarchy has sold us out to China, and it's not just the democrats, but Mitt Romney, John McCain (the "war hero"), the Bush's, etc.

There isn't anybody in power that gives a fuck about the future of this nation remaining a democratic state. They've all betrayed the nation.
64   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Oct 15, 1:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

China has slightly more than $1 trillion of US treasuries. Foreign governments do not voluntarily divest themselves of treasuries (except the case of Venezuela and that didn't work out so well for them). They have been bleeding treasuries paying for imports and to keep their currency at the level it is.

China is in a big bind right now. Its corporations have borrowed vast amounts of debt denominated in US dollars. With their property developers defaulting it has hit other issuers as well. Right now it doesn't look like they are going to be able to roll over that US denominated debt as US lenders have balked on China corporations. Other nations are also declining to lend to China's corporations. Since the property developers are defaulting on trillions of dollars worth of yuan, the CCP can either let the investors take the losses (thus ending China's ponzi scheme economy) or it can take the losses onto its central bank's balance sheet. If it socializes the losses its currency gets hammered.

It only has a little over $1 trillion in US treasuries to try to stablize its currency and provide support for its corporations with US denominated debt.

This is gonna leave a mark.
65   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Oct 15, 1:42am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Misc says
This is gonna leave a mark.


No it isn't. Treasury or the Fed can buy those bonds no problem. They'll just monetize it.
66   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Oct 15, 2:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I mean it's gonna leave a mark on China.

I will put a guesstimate at 25% of their economy just disappeared.

That's gonna be an unemployment problem the likes of which ain't ever happened before.
67   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Oct 15, 7:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
So if China goes to war with the US, the very first act of the US would be to nullify our debts to China.

Not when the President and much of Congress is bribed or compromised.
68   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 15, 12:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Misc says
Foreign governments do not voluntarily divest themselves of treasuries (except the case of Venezuela and that didn't work out so well for them).


Did Venezuela sell all their US Treasury bonds?
69   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Oct 17, 3:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Misc says
Foreign governments do not voluntarily divest themselves of treasuries (except the case of Venezuela and that didn't work out so well for them).


Did Venezuela sell all their US Treasury bonds?


Yes they did. Instead of treasuries held as reserves for their central bank, they went with gold. There they were with the largest proven oil reserves in the world, literally tons of gold ... but no consumer goods. The leaders of Venezuela smuggled some huge amounts of gold out of the country.

I think they are still importing fuel because things are just that fucked up.

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