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A Chinese Invasion Of Taiwan?????


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2021 Apr 10, 3:58am   2,120 views  79 comments

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Elena has been concerned as of late about mainland China forcefully retaking Taiwan. Before we get into the military challenges of such an action, let us look at the geopolitical considerations. The US and Chinese economies are intertwined to a great extent. If one party pulled away, their economy would collapse. The world economy would follow. Let us look at the special case of Taiwan and mainland China. Taiwan provides the mainland with a lot of FDI-foreign direct investment. When a Chinese company has a desperate need for skilled workers, the first place that they look is Taiwan. There is a huge volume of trade between the mainland and Taiwan. A military action would destroy all this economic activity.
Now let us look at an actual military operation where the Chinese military attempts to invade Taiwan. Ask the Nazis and the US Navy; it is very hard to invade an island. Nazi Germany could not even mount an invasion to overpower the UK. The US Navy struggled with all its island invasions in World War II. To invade an island, you need absolute air and naval superiority. Mainland China has an impressive military with large numbers. They would face US forces, Taiwan forces, and possible Japanese forces. They would not have absolute control of the skies and the sea. The Chinese military could not afford to inflict too much damage on Taiwan for the economic reasons cited above. They would also be sensitive to world public opinion.
In the end of the day, their only route to reclaiming what they see is rightfully theirs is "winning through intimidation." They will have to use psychology to intimate all opponents. The Japanese did this brilliantly in Singapore at the start of World War II.

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1   theoakman   2021 Apr 10, 6:14am  

The one thing that they could try is to surround the island and stop imports or exports. That's basically how Ghenghis Khan would cripple.large fortified cities without a battle.
2   Shaman   2021 Apr 10, 7:21am  

theoakman says
The one thing that they could try is to surround the island and stop imports or exports. That's basically how Ghenghis Khan would cripple.large fortified cities without a battle.


Senile old Biden might just let them get away with that too. But would other nations with a trade interest? Even if the other nations didn’t offer military resistance to China’s aggression, would they enact trade restrictions with China in retaliation? China has a lot to lose if it gets chesty with Taiwan.
3   RC2006   2021 Apr 10, 8:29am  

In a way I kinda hope China did. I think it would galvanize the West and a lot of the world against China and they would become the next USSR which they practically are anyways. Maybe it would wake up and scare enough people to cause a massive purge of commie ideas in our country.
4   Tenpoundbass   2021 Apr 10, 8:47am  

ohomen171 says
If one party pulled away, their economy would collapse.


Trump proved China is holding our economy down. Our Middle Class would be three times as large without China.
5   Tenpoundbass   2021 Apr 10, 8:51am  

China is surrounded by enemies, and over half of their population would love nothing more than for the CCP to choke on their own puke and die an embarrassing death.
Not only would China be at war with every country surrounding their borders, but they would also be at war with over half of their population.

If the US got drawn in, the Commies in America would then go at war with the Patriotic American's to help the Chinese cause. That would be a very dumb move on their part, they are all fags, and wear Women's pink under britches.

Hmm, remind me again why a war with China would be a bad thing.
6   WookieMan   2021 Apr 10, 9:12am  

RC2006 says
In a way I kinda hope China did. I think it would galvanize the West and a lot of the world against China and they would become the next USSR which they practically are anyways. Maybe it would wake up and scare enough people to cause a massive purge of commie ideas in our country.

I want to like this post 100x's. Let's just rip the damn bandaid off and get to what we all know is coming at some point. Let's do it before China is no longer a paper tiger. They won't lob nukes unless they use N. Korea as a proxy and have them do it. Not even sure either country has the legit capability to hit the states either. Guam, maybe. #TimAurora.
7   WookieMan   2021 Apr 10, 9:15am  

And good to see you back ohomen. You don't respond often, but you bring up some intriguing conversations and some that are just off the wall to be honest. Part of the fun of patnet.
8   Patrick   2021 Apr 10, 10:15am  

@ohomen171 I'm glad to see that you have an understanding that China is a threat.

Most Democrats do not. They are willfully blind in order to conform.
9   Ceffer   2021 Apr 10, 10:21am  

It's a good thing Biden doesn't control the military, or he would have already have gift wrapped Taiwan on a silver platter in exchange for his bribes. Remember, he always has that Chinese bodyguard around with the CCP pin on his lapel.
10   HeadSet   2021 Apr 10, 11:15am  

Patrick says
I'm glad to see that you have an understanding that China is a threat.

Most Democrats do not. They are willfully blind in order to conform.

First Law of Patrickdynamics - It is impossible to get a person to understand an item when that person's paycheck depends on not understanding that item.

The oligarchs - Apple, Google, Walmart, Amazon , Pharma, Democrat Party - would loses big money if they understood China as a threat and reacted accordingly. Apple, Walmart, and Amazon would lose the cheap labor and Google would lose the Chinese market unless they help the CCP restrict info and spy on citizens. Democrat Party would lose the CCP supplied crony capitalism and outright bribes.
11   HeadSet   2021 Apr 10, 11:20am  

Ceffer says
It's a good thing Biden doesn't control the military,

Biden does control the military as Commander 'n Chief. The military cannot go to the defense of Taiwan without his direct order. Biden can also halt any sales of military hardware to Taiwan.
12   theoakman   2021 Apr 10, 11:33am  

The difference between China and the USSR is that China has figured out how to use markets, slave labor, and currency manipulation to continually grow economically.
13   HeadSet   2021 Apr 10, 11:44am  

theoakman says
The difference between China and the USSR is that China has figured out how to use markets, slave labor, and currency manipulation to continually grow economically.

Yes, the USSR was Communist until the end, while China has evolved into a National Socialist fascist model. That way China can have the productivity and innovation of the limited market economy, while maintaining total autocratic control.
14   Misc   2021 Apr 10, 12:37pm  

On paper, it appears that China's elites are more beneficent than those of the US. They have over a 90% home ownership rate, with about 25% of the households owning more than one property. Household financial assets aren't published, but I bet they would compare well against those of the US.

Yes, they have an optics problem concerning their Uyghurs and their education efforts to bring this group into the 21st century, but we have similar problems concerning a large portion of the Blacks in this country.

We claim to have more freedoms, but after Covid, can we really make this claim?

If this trajectory continues, the people of Taiwan may just vote to remove their elites and go for mainland control.
15   Patrick   2021 Apr 10, 1:10pm  

Misc says
They have over a 90% home ownership rate


Not exactly. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) literally owns all the land in the country and everyone has to rent it from them.

Guess what happens if you express any view the CCP does not like.
16   Patrick   2021 Apr 10, 1:11pm  

Misc says
Yes, they have an optics problem concerning their Uyghurs and their education efforts to bring this group into the 21st century, but we have similar problems concerning a large portion of the Blacks in this country.


This is a false claim.

US blacks are not in labor camps. It's not similar in the least.

Is billionaire Oprah Winfrey oppressed? How about all those NBA and NFL stars?
17   HeadSet   2021 Apr 10, 2:37pm  

Misc says
On paper, it appears that China's elites are more beneficent than those of the US. They have over a 90% home ownership rate, with about 25% of the households owning more than one property. Household financial assets aren't published, but I bet they would compare well against those of the US.

Yes, they have an optics problem concerning their Uyghurs and their education efforts to bring this group into the 21st century, but we have similar problems concerning a large portion of the Blacks in this country.

We claim to have more freedoms, but after Covid, can we really make this claim?

If this trajectory continues, the people of Taiwan may just vote to remove their elites and go for mainland control.

50 美分
18   just_passing_through   2021 Apr 10, 2:39pm  

hahahahahahaha
19   just_passing_through   2021 Apr 10, 2:41pm  

Chinese elites still have to live in a polluted shitty air environment, just like the poor folk. Roads are too congested to drive those expensive cars more than a few miles. They aren't even allowed to drive those expensive cars every day.

That's why they escape to here and other places.
20   Misc   2021 Apr 10, 2:47pm  

Patrick says
Misc says
Yes, they have an optics problem concerning their Uyghurs and their education efforts to bring this group into the 21st century, but we have similar problems concerning a large portion of the Blacks in this country.


This is a false claim.

US blacks are not in labor camps. It's not similar in the least.

Is billionaire Oprah Winfrey oppressed? How about all those NBA and NFL stars?


We have more Blacks in prisons than they have Uyghurs in re-education camps. We aren't even trying to rehabilitate them any more. That was a 90s thing.

I am certain that the Chinese can point out a few hundred Uyghurs that are doing well under their system.

Our property taxes would seem similar to their "rent" based system.

They do have a social scoring model, but more Chinese travel internationally per year than any other country.
21   Shaman   2021 Apr 10, 2:50pm  

Misc says
We have more Blacks in prisons than they have Uyghurs in re-education camps.


The difference is that our blacks deserve to be there.
22   Misc   2021 Apr 10, 2:52pm  

Shaman says
Misc says
We have more Blacks in prisons than they have Uyghurs in re-education camps.


The difference is that our blacks deserve to be there.


Ever dealt with an Uyghur?
23   Ceffer   2021 Apr 10, 2:54pm  

Misc says
Ever dealt with an Uyghur?

No, but I knew a lady with a goiter once.
24   Patrick   2021 Apr 10, 7:33pm  

Misc says
We have more Blacks in prisons than they have Uyghurs in re-education camps.


@MIsc Did those black people in prison commit crimes? Yes.

Did the Uyghurs in re-education camps commit crimes? No.
25   HeadSet   2021 Apr 10, 7:45pm  

Patrick, you are arguing with a 50 美分

Next, expect a talking point justifying the Hong Kong crackdown.
26   Misc   2021 Apr 10, 8:06pm  

Patrick says
Misc says
We have more Blacks in prisons than they have Uyghurs in re-education camps.


@MIsc Did those black people in prison commit crimes? Yes.

Did the Uyghurs in re-education camps commit crimes? No.


They are mostly illiterate Muslims with poor ethics who need to be taught basic hygiene. The Chinese are trying their best to move a population from 5 AD to one that can participate in modern society. We gave up trying with the Black prisoners.
27   Misc   2021 Apr 10, 8:07pm  

HeadSet says
Patrick, you are arguing with a 50 美分

Next, expect a talking point justifying the Hong Kong crackdown.


No the Hong Kongers should have been left alone. I'm in favor of freedom of speech.
28   MMR   2021 Apr 10, 9:12pm  

Trump was ready to make Japan pay 8 billion for privilege of protection. Currently it is only 2 billion

Patrick says
Most Democrats do not. They are willfully blind in order to conform.


Quietly, Japan has rebuilt their military under the hawkishness of Shinzo Abe. Japan is quietly the 4th largest military in the world however they lack strike capacity. Its all defensive.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/10/editorial-japan-becomes-the-worlds-fourth-most-pow/

https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/japan/2019/japan-190830-presstv01.htm


China controls much of the South China Sea but not the senkaku islands; Japan has been gearing up for showdown. Do they like trump who "extorted them for 8 billion" or Joe Biden?

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/01/28/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-unsettled-biden-election/

Trump sold India 3 billion in military equipment to as part of an effort to keep china in check

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-usa-trump-idUSKCN20J0J5

But both the US and Japan messed up the 4 billion dollar aegis ashore deal; having said that, public support for striking enemy targets is finally starting to waver.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/aegis-ashore-japan-scraps-us-purchase-missile-defense-outrage-at-home-trump-distracted/

Australia along with India, Japan and US is participating in naval exercises

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/asia/australia-india-malabar-naval-exercises-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

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Aside from lukewarm support for the senkaku islands, Joe Biden will walk back most of the progress trump made militarily with Japan and India although there are mixed feelings on the tariffs.

Japan should definitely give the US more than 2 billion for the value of the land that they are protecting (senkaku is oil rich)
29   Misc   2021 Apr 10, 9:38pm  

Japan should have taken Trump up on the proposal that Japan have its own nuclear deterrent. When Trump said that, as well as his badmouthing of NATO, it was clear that the US could not be trusted to fulfill its treaty obligations.

NATO is one thing. The Europeans outnumber the Russians 5 to 1, but if the US is iffy Japan needs to be able to protect its sea lanes itself.
30   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 10, 9:40pm  

I am worried about china taking over semiconductor expertise of Taiwan.
TSMC/UMC etc. should build fabs in US for diversification.

Taiwan/US should also keep explosives ready to "blow up" fabs if china ever near control of island.
31   Misc   2021 Apr 10, 9:54pm  

farmer2021 says
I am worried about china taking over semiconductor expertise of Taiwan.
TSMC/UMC etc. should build fabs in US for diversification.

Taiwan/US should also keep explosives ready to "blow up" fabs if china ever near control of island.


Direct military action is not how China is getting the Taiwan expertise. It is old fashioned capitalism. They are paying the Taiwan workers more to work for China chipmakers than the Taiwanese are paying them. The Chinese will also steal any and all intellectual property they can, and they are good at that.
32   just_passing_through   2021 Apr 10, 10:50pm  

farmer2021 says
I am worried about china taking over semiconductor expertise of Taiwan.


^--- This
33   Misc   2021 Apr 11, 12:21am  

I'd be more worried about Xi Biden removing the restrictions in place on Huawei as well as America's propaganda against them.

Already the regulations against Tik-Tok have been abandoned.
34   BayArea   2021 Apr 11, 6:52am  

ohomen171 says
Elena has been concerned


Lol
35   RWSGFY   2021 Apr 12, 6:47am  

HunterTits says
Who cares about Taiwan?


Elena.
36   Patrick   2021 Apr 12, 8:41am  

One good aspect is that this might drive much chip production back to the US.
37   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 12, 9:34am  

Patrick says
One good aspect is that this might drive much chip production back to the US.


American sharp minds spend too much effort on silly software and casino economy of Silicon Valley.
It is hard to make good money in hard sciences.
It is failure of our system.
38   Ceffer   2021 Apr 12, 9:36am  

FuckCCP89 says
Who cares about Taiwan?


Elena.

i'm glad Elena isn't my muse. I'm sappy enough.
39   FarmersWon   2021 Apr 13, 9:20pm  

No amount of money should make China buy semiconductor expertise. I know How hard it is to develop and perfect this technology.
Software development especially social media is intelligence agency control apparatus and very easy to develop.
Europe needs to guard semiconductor technology. USA is run by idiots.

https://semiengineering.com/why-euv-is-so-difficult/
40   just_passing_through   2021 Apr 13, 9:27pm  

farmer2021 says
It is hard to make good money in hard sciences.


No it's not. I've made millions. Now, I'd agree with a modified statement, "It is hard to make good money in SOME hard sciences."

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