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6   Booger   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 20, 3:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Karloff says
I think the "best" case scenario is that it's being done purely for profit motives. Big Pharma is making huge amounts of money off this, and if they convince the people and the governments to get this thing every 6 months, then it's a guaranteed revenue stream.


It could easily be a very expensive placebo.
7   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 20, 3:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Karloff says
I think the "best" case scenario is that it's being done purely for profit motives. Big Pharma is making huge amounts of money off this, and if they convince the people and the governments to get this thing every 6 months, then it's a guaranteed revenue stream.


Ah, but it's the teachers and government employees and other prime Karen Spinsters that are ground zero. Old Folks too, but they're already way past fertility.
8   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 20, 4:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Karloff says
I think the "best" case scenario is that it's being done purely for profit motives.


The way to make money is to make a deal with the Federal Reserve. They can make as much money as they want, they are not audited. The question is what do THEY want done?

You don't need to make a product of anything to become rich in today's society. You just have to do what the central bank wants done, whatever product they want produced. That could be war, genocide, authoritarianism, whatever. They can, and do, make as much "wealth" as they want and they can buy politicians, generals or hitmen if they need to do it. They just create more "money" - money you will work for.
9   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 20, 4:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Booger says
It could easily be a very expensive placebo.


Then it would be nothing more than a placebo, and nobody would have any side effects from it.

If I wanted to make a placebo, it would be an entirely killed virus, that has no efficacy, but could be determined to have the RNA/DNA of the virus so that it would show up in a PCR test if somebody had the mind to check it. It would be heavily irradiated and harmless and no adjuvents - but these "vaccines" do not seem to be entirely harmless.

We'll see as we go through this worldwide experiment.
10   rocketjoe79   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 20, 8:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

After some research, this looks like misinformation.

https://vitalrecord.tamhsc.edu/covid-vaccines-and-infertility-fact-vs-fiction/

and many other sites.
11   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 20, 8:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rocketjoe79 says
After some research, this looks like misinformation.

https://vitalrecord.tamhsc.edu/covid-vaccines-and-infertility-fact-vs-fiction/

and many other sites.


Here is how you spot bullshit:

"However, multiple medical societies and governing bodies in the medical profession have debunked these claims, stating no current scientific evidence supports them."

They aren't naming the medical societies and governing bodies. If they did, that would open them up to libel. If they did and it was some fake organization, you could spot them in a lie.

We're on the internet, there's infinite ability to point to sources and organizations to see what they say. If you point to an organization and realize they have lied, they are forever discredited or at least compelled to explain themselves.

They are doing an appeal to authority, without allowing you to know who the authority is, forever discrediting them.

Hmm @Patrick - you should make a thread of "journalists" that are known to produce false information. I think that will be an extensive list. I think it should be 10 strikes and you are out, real journalists can be fooled more than 3 times - we should give them a good deal of allowance. We are all subject to propaganda, I'm more aware of it than most, but I'm not immune.
12   ThreeBays   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 20, 8:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The whole bogus theory that immunity against covid spike proteins might cause an auto-immune attack of womb cells is based on a total ignorance of how the adaptive immune system works.

If you don't agree then answer this question: What mechanism prevents the immune system from attacking your own cells?
13   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 20, 10:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
The whole bogus theory that immunity against covid spike proteins might cause an auto-immune attack of womb cells is based on a total ignorance of how the adaptive immune system works.


It's not that the immunization that supposedly prevents sars-cov2-19 causes infertility, it's that it's possible that's not all that is in the injection.

It's an injection to cause an immune response, you have no idea what other immune responses it produces.

For all you know, arsenic is part of the vaccine.
14   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 20, 10:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I also suspect that your body has ways of identifying and not fighting proteins made by its own ribosomes.

This would lead to the possibility that everyone who gets the "vaccine" will become more likely to get severe Wuhan Virus Disease, not less likely.
15   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 21, 6:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
The whole bogus theory that immunity against covid spike proteins might cause an auto-immune attack of womb cells is based on a total ignorance of how the adaptive immune system works.

You never answered, which of your body's cells are tricked into creating the Wuhan like spike proteins?

Not expecting a cogent answer as you don't know.
16   ThreeBays   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 21, 8:14am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
It's not that the immunization that supposedly prevents sars-cov2-19 causes infertility, it's that it's possible that's not all that is in the injection.

It's an injection to cause an immune response, you have no idea what other immune responses it produces.

For all you know, arsenic is part of the vaccine.


Sure sure. I'm not talking about miserable conspiracy theories, but what the ex-Phizer guy warned.
17   ThreeBays   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 21, 8:20am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
I also suspect that your body has ways of identifying and not fighting proteins made by its own ribosomes.

This would lead to the possibility that everyone who gets the "vaccine" will become more likely to get severe Wuhan Virus Disease, not less likely.


Explain why you think that? How would that work?

The whole covid virus is duplicated by your ribosomes.
18   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 21, 8:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Sure sure. I'm not talking about miserable conspiracy theories, but what the ex-Phizer guy warned.


I'm NOT presenting a conspiracy theory. I'm pointing out that you have no idea what is in the "vaccine".

DNA and mRNA "vaccinations" have NEVER been used on human beings before, EVER. This is the first one.

And there's this HUGE push to try to get everybody to take it. Why? If the vaccination is effective, and you're vaccinated and I'm not, I pose no threat to you even if I get sick - that is if the vaccine works, and if it doesn't work the best the vaccine can do, is harm you.

So, is there any error in my logic here?

I have no idea what an mRNA/DNA vaccine will do, but I bet SOMEBODY does. There's been tests on 3rd world populations for new drugs for decades, and some of those vaccinations have been detrimental. But you're free to trust that this is all being done for your own good. I get sick and tired of people getting offended when I point out people ought to be cautious.
19   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 21, 9:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
miserable conspiracy theories

Who exactly are the miserable conspiracists?
This virus has a non-institutionalized mortality rate of .26. 78% of people with bad outcomes are overweight or obese. It has no significant spread from fomites on surfaces and asymptomatic spread is not a significant driver of spread. There has yet to be any Fauci Style Gold Standard Double Blind studies (why would there be, who would fund them?) confirming that masking, social distancing, or lock-downs are even marginally effective. I fit in none of the risk groups and limit my exposure to crowds by my nature of hating fucking crowds. But if I have reservations about a “novel” drug that has not completed normal drug trials and is made by a company with a history of fraud and maleficence, and who has already acknowledged that boosters and new formulations ad infinitum are part of its business strategy, I am a “conspiracy nut”.
20   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 21, 9:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Robert Sproul says
But if I have reservations about a “novel” drug that has not completed normal drug trials and is made by a company with a history of fraud and maleficence, and who has already acknowledged that boosters and new formulations ad infinitum are part of its business strategy, I am a “conspiracy nut”


Look, sheep consider anything that the other sheep aren’t doing to be suspect. Chinese are like inbred sheep: extremely docile and obedient to social commands. Their level of slavishness to authority is unprecedented in the entire world.
This isn’t to be emulated but pitied. It’s why they have a totalitarian government and why their citizens keep defecting to the USA. Unfortunately, they bring the same sort of cultural problems that made their own country a shithole. That’s why I refuse to vote for any Chinese politician.
21   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 21, 9:18am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
ThreeBays says
The whole bogus theory that immunity against covid spike proteins might cause an auto-immune attack of womb cells is based on a total ignorance of how the adaptive immune system works.

You never answered, which of your body's cells are tricked into creating the Wuhan like spike proteins?

@threebays

This is an experimental biologic agent. It is not a vaccine and it does not give you immunity.

The animal trials for this type of biologic agent did not end well. What makes anyone thing the human experiments will do any better?
22   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 21, 9:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Patrick says
I also suspect that your body has ways of identifying and not fighting proteins made by its own ribosomes.

This would lead to the possibility that everyone who gets the "vaccine" will become more likely to get severe Wuhan Virus Disease, not less likely.


Explain why you think that? How would that work?

The whole covid virus is duplicated by your ribosomes.


Right, the whole Wuhan virus is duplicated by your ribosomes, but the raw synthetic mRNA fragment just codes for a protein which should be similar to to a protein in the virus.

So maybe the immune system learns to recognize a set of proteins as the virus (like you need to recognize different features to know a human face), but has some way of marking those that were made by free-floating mRNA fragments, calling those part of your "self".

You willing to bet your life that we know everything about how this works? Sure feels like a mass experiment on innocent people to me.
23   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 21, 9:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rocketjoe79 says
After some research, this looks like misinformation.

https://vitalrecord.tamhsc.edu/covid-vaccines-and-infertility-fact-vs-fiction/

and many other sites.


Oh Oh, dont go down this road Rocketjoe...telling our consiracy theorists that the vax-fear-porn is hyped and the threats arent real? They will be all over you! Better to just agree.
I got the J&J shot and I expect to have pool parties until 5 month from now (thats when I am supposed to get dementia) and forget that I even have a pool. In 1-2 years I will be dead.

remember, the experimental/biologic agent will get all dumb ones (who got vaxxed).
24   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 21, 9:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/294852

An mRNA vaccine is not a vaccine, because it does not elicit an immune response. What it is, is genetic engineering.

There are a number of prominent concerns of serious adverse reactions of which include, in brief summary, some of the following:

In previous clinical trials since the 1960’s [8] attempts to vaccinate against RSV, [9] Dengue, [10] SARS and MERS, the studies each failed during the animal phase. Cats, ferrets, monkeys, and rabbits each and every time experienced Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE), also known as pathogenic priming or a cytokine storm. This occurs when the immune system creates an uncontrolled and overwhelming inflammatory response upon being confronted with the pathogen in the real world, and the outcome, tragically, is death. The same immune system overreaction took place in a number of infants in clinical trials who received an attempted RSV shot, as well as some six hundred Filipino children who died following early vaccination against Dengue [11] and it remains a viable concern today. [12]

Autoimmune disease occurs when the body's immune system can't tell the difference between its own cells and foreign cells, and causes the body to attack its normal cells. [13] It has been suggested that "molecular mimicry" may contribute to this problem, with antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 cross-reacting with structurally similar host protein sequences and raising an acute autoimmune response against them. [14]

Scientists have determined that the same spike protein found in SARS viruses are also responsible for the development of the placenta in mammals, including humans, and is therefore an essential prerequisite for a successful pregnancy. If a woman’s body is primed to attack these protein spikes, the immune system may prevent a placenta from being formed, which would render that woman infertile. [15]
25   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 21, 9:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bitcoin says

Oh Oh, dont go down this road Rocketjoe...telling our consiracy theorists that the vax-fear-porn is hyped and the threats arent real? They will be all over you! Better to just agree.


You constantly misstate people's opinion, purposely. This is why I consider you dishonest.

I don't care if you get the vaccine, nobody that is reluctant to take this "vaccine" cares if you do. I care if I'm FORCED to take the vaccine. You can disagree with my reasoning, and other people's reasoning, as to why they do not want to take it - but you don't. You just engage in ad hominem attack.

This IS an experimental "vaccine". It didn't meet the definition of what a "vaccine" was less than 3 years ago. They've changed the definition of what constitutes a vaccine. There's never been an mRNA/DNA "vaccine" ever used - these are not approved by the FDA even now, and there's not been widespread testing until now.

You're the test subject.

It could very well to turn out harmless, or even beneficial, but one thing I've learned as an engineer - NEVER be an early adopter. Don't buy the first generation of anything, because you're the debugger. No matter how much money and effort is thrown into making a good 1st generation product, it's never perfect, and the public that is foolish enough to buy the first generation - they're debuggers.

Bitcoin says
I got the J&J shot and I expect to have pool parties until 5 month from now (thats when I am supposed to get dementia) and forget that I even have a pool. In 1-2 years I will be dead.


Who on this board is saying this? Point to their post.

Bitcoin says
remember, the experimental/biologic agent will get all dumb ones (who got vaxxed).


If there's any detrimental effects, it's not "all the dumb ones" - it's the naive ones.

If this vaccination works, and we really have a deadly virus out there that will kill me unless I get the vaccination - why would you care?
26   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 21, 10:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Who on this board is saying this? Point to their post.


That would take extra work. I would have to pull out their posts about the dementia and death threats. Imagine I would gather all the fear-porn about the vaccine, you can work on this all day.....so much....its okay if you missed those posts....they will be back. Daily, there is a new disease/illness or horrible side effect that will be on your way if you take the vaccine according to the fear-porn pumpers.

Let's just see what happens to me....I took the J&J shot 2 weeks or so ago. I am fine :) Party on!
27   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 21, 10:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

remember, your body, your choice....if you are getting super defensive and upset if someone says they have taken the shot and doesnt believe in the fear-porn than its suspicious.

I agree its a scamdemic and I agree some companies will get f.ing rich on the vaccine. I dont agree with the fear porn.
28   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 21, 10:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bitcoin says
richwicks says
Who on this board is saying this? Point to their post.


That would take extra work. I would have to pull out their posts about the dementia and death threats.


You make claims but you won't support them. This leads me not to believe you.

Bitcoin says
its okay if you missed those posts.


I don't think I did but I have seen you mischaracterize what I've said, even after correcting you. This leads me to believe you're dishonest. I demonstrated that you did this here.

Bitcoin says
Let's just see what happens to me....I took the J&J shot 2 weeks or so ago. I am fine :) Party on!


Again, nobody is trying to prevent you. The point that people are making, is nobody should force us.

If the vaccine is effective, the only people that are being placed into any danger by not taking the vaccine, are the people that are not taking the vaccine.
29   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 21, 11:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I do agree....nobody should force the vaccine on anyone. 100%....it should be voluntarily and no shaming.
30   stereotomy   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 21, 11:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Patrick says
I also suspect that your body has ways of identifying and not fighting proteins made by its own ribosomes.

This would lead to the possibility that everyone who gets the "vaccine" will become more likely to get severe Wuhan Virus Disease, not less likely.


Explain why you think that? How would that work?

The whole covid virus is duplicated by your ribosomes.


This statement is patently false. The gen-enged vaccines only code for the spike proteins for covid, not the whole virus. Clarify/correct your argument, or are you just a robo-troll?
31   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 21, 11:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9495727/Researchers-studying-women-report-changes-periods-taking-COVID-vaccine.html

Scientists launch study to find out if COVID-19 vaccines are causing period changes after hundreds of women notice irregularities
Dr Kathryn Clancy and Dr Katherine Lee said they both experienced abnormal periods after getting the COVID-19 vaccine
When they described their experiences on Twitter, hundreds of women replied that their menstrual cycles were also abnormal following the shot
Clancy and Lee have now launched a study, including a survey in which women can document their menstrual experiences after vaccination
As of Monday, more than 25,000 women have completed the questionnaire
32   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 21, 11:38am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

stereotomy says
This statement is patently false. The gen-enged vaccines only code for the spike proteins for covid, not the whole virus.


What he's saying is that all protein synthesis goes through ribosomes, whether when the virus replicates itself or when the artificial injected mRNA is used by ribosomes.

That much is true.

I'm saying that there may well be big differences detected by your immune system between the two cases, perhaps causing less resistance to the virus in the long term after you get the mRNA shot.
33   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 21, 12:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Bitcoin says

Oh Oh, dont go down this road Rocketjoe...telling our consiracy theorists that the vax-fear-porn is hyped and the threats arent real? They will be all over you! Better to just agree.


You constantly misstate people's opinion, purposely. This is why I consider you dishonest.

One of the major side effects of the experimental biologic agents is "brain fog". The problem with this side effect is the sufferer does not know they are suffering.

It seems as though the major benefit to the takers of the jab is bragging rights on social media.
34   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 21, 12:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
It seems as though the major benefit to the takers of the jab is bragging rights on social media.


I disagree here a little bit. I dont think bragging about a vaccine shot makes sense. I do mention it to show, look, i am still walking. No dementia no xyz.
The fear-porn isnt real.
35   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 21, 1:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I'm not certain that the non-FDA-approved "vaccines" will cause problems later. Just very skittish of new biotech being tried out on the public so that certain connected people can get fabulously rich.

But that's still to much risk for me, compared to a virus I have about a 99.9% chance of surviving, ie, same as the flu.

I never did get flu shots either.
36   stereotomy   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 21, 1:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

stereotomy says
ThreeBays says
Patrick says
I also suspect that your body has ways of identifying and not fighting proteins made by its own ribosomes.

This would lead to the possibility that everyone who gets the "vaccine" will become more likely to get severe Wuhan Virus Disease, not less likely.


Explain why you think that? How would that work?

The whole covid virus is duplicated by your ribosomes.


This statement is patently false. The gen-enged vaccines only code for the spike proteins for covid, not the whole virus. Clarify/correct your argument, or are you just a robo-troll?
Patrick says
stereotomy says
This statement is patently false. The gen-enged vaccines only code for the spike proteins for covid, not the whole virus.


What he's saying is that all protein synthesis goes through ribosomes, whether when the virus replicates itself or when the artificial injected mRNA is used by ribosomes.

That much is true.

I'm saying that there may well be big differences detected by your immune system between the two cases, perhaps causing less resistance to the virus in the long term after you get the mRNA shot.


@Threebays claims that the "vaccine" causes the ribosomes in our bodies' cells to reproduce the entire covid virus - all proteins, not just the spike proteins. This is contradicted by the very manufacturers of the "vaccine" themselves; therefore the statement is patently false.
37   EBGuy   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 21, 2:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This is kinda wild -- and an indication that the trial was truly randomized.
In the Pfizer vaccine trial, which included 37,000 people, women were excluded if they were already pregnant. Nevertheless, 23 women did conceive during the trial—12 in the vaccine group and 11 in the placebo group. No adverse effects have been reported in those people and no loss of fertility has been reported among the millions who have received the vaccines since their authorization.
From the Texas A&M Health site.
38   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 21, 3:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bitcoin says
I do mention it to show, look, i am still walking. No dementia no xyz.
The fear-porn isnt real.

You have confidence in something that isn't proven and you don't know long term effects or outcomes. Par for the course.
39   ThreeBays   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 21, 5:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

stereotomy says
@Threebays claims that the "vaccine" causes the ribosomes in our bodies' cells to reproduce the entire covid virus - all proteins, not just the spike proteins. This is contradicted by the very manufacturers of the "vaccine" themselves; therefore the statement is patently false.


I did not say that. @Patrick read it correctly.
40   ThreeBays   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 21, 5:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
So maybe the immune system learns to recognize a set of proteins as the virus (like you need to recognize different features to know a human face), but has some way of marking those that were made by free-floating mRNA fragments, calling those part of your "self".

You willing to bet your life that we know everything about how this works? Sure feels like a mass experiment on innocent people to me.


I took the shot, so yeah

If I was worried that resistance to Covid spike proteins will cause infertility or other nasty probelems, then I'd be worried that a Covid infection could do the same thing. You don't seem to have a similar concern about just getting the virus itself from what I can tell. How come?

It's been shown that when people build immunity against the Covid virus itself, they build immunity targeting the spike proteins. The rest of the virus proteins are protected by a lipid layer. This is why the vaccines target the same spike protein.

Our bodies constantly produce antibodies in a random process that could attack the "self", and they would attack at all times of the day if we didn't have a system that eliminates antibodies that bind with our body's proteins before they're let free. The antibodies that bind to the virus proteins are already floating in our body. If those antibodies would bind to proteins in the placenta, that would already happen.
41   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 21, 5:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
You don't seem to have a similar concern about just getting the virus itself from what I can tell. How come?


Because the virus itself is mostly harmless. Even by the official statistics, which I expect are deliberately skewed to be pessimistic, my chance of dying from this is about zero. I also find it dubious that there are any more long-term bad effects from this coronavirus than from others we know well.

But the mRNA "vaccine", that's a whole new planet of potential long-term harm.

I'm especially suspicious of the vaccines and the lockdowns because of the "partnering" of the NIH and Moderna, the 50 new vaccine billionaires documented by Forbes, and because of the billions tech oligarchs have gained. Follow the money, they say.

And gosh, isn't it convenient that HCQ and Ivermectin can be dismissed without looking at all the research at https://c19hcq.com/ ? You know, if there were an effective simple treatment, then the "vaccine" experiments on you and millions of others would not have been allowed. Therefore those treatments must be found ineffective. Not to mention that Trump must never be allowed to be right about anything.

It all adds up to a big ball of stink.
42   Bitcoin   ignore (15)   2021 Apr 21, 6:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Bitcoin says
I do mention it to show, look, i am still walking. No dementia no xyz.
The fear-porn isnt real.

You have confidence in something


Correct. I am confident that the fear-porn is overblown. dementia in 5 1/2 month....LOL
44   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 22, 6:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bitcoin says
Correct. I am confident that the fear-porn is overblown. dementia in 5 1/2 month....LOL


Who has said "dementia in 5 1/2 month(s)" - you're the only person that I recall having said that.

You strawman people all the time. I'm not criticizing, I'm pointing it out. If you think I'm incorrect, feel free to show I am.
45   porkchopexpress   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 22, 10:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I hate Kung Flu

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