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Another reason not to live near LA - massive DDT dump offshore

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Apr 27, 9:59pm 250 views   13 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2021-04-26/ddt-waste-barrels-off-la-coast-shock-california-scientists

Stunning DDT dump site off L.A. coast much bigger than scientists expected

When the research vessel Sally Ride set sail for Santa Catalina Island to map an underwater graveyard of DDT waste barrels, its crew had high hopes of documenting for the first time just how many corroded containers littered the seafloor off the coast of Los Angeles.

But as the scientists on deck began interpreting sonar images gathered by two deep-sea robots, they were quickly overwhelmed. It was like trying to count stars in the Milky Way. ...

“This mission confirms my worst fear: that possibly hundreds of thousands of barrels and DDT-laced sediment were dumped just 12 miles off our coast,” said Feinstein, who said she plans to ask the U.S. Justice Department to look into companies that may have illegally dumped waste into the ocean and whether they can be held accountable. ...

For decades, the nation’s largest DDT maker operated its plant on the border of Los Angeles and Torrance. A $140-million Superfund battle in the 1990s exposed the company’s disposal of toxic waste through sewage pipes that poured into the sea — but all the DDT manufacturing waste that was dumped into the deep ocean had drawn comparatively little attention.
1   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 27, 10:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Probably why they don't have to delouse the illegal immigrants, like they used to do at Ellis Island.
2   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 28, 1:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

More ppl have died from the ban on DDT than from concentrated exposure to it.

Rachel Carson's 'Silent Spring' was thoroughly debunked decades ago.
3   clambo   ignore (5)   2021 Apr 28, 4:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I don’t know about this particular situation.

But by coincidence I know about what can happen to dredge spoils from harbors.

From time to time they dredge harbors, and sometimes it’s considered toxic for offshore dumping.

Other times they dump it offshore and try to dump clean sediment on top to “cap it.”

In San Francisco a popular place to dump dredge spoils was a deep spot off Alcatraz.

Harbors like Oakland and Los Angeles are often dirty, and receive the runoff from storm drains so they get everything concentrated in them.
4   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 28, 5:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HunterTits says
More ppl have died from the ban on DDT than from concentrated exposure to it.


Yes, I was reading last night that there were somewhere around a million cases of malaria per year in Sri Lanka before DDT, and only 18 (yes, just 18) after DDT was used.

Then they banned DDT and cases rebounded to 600,000.

So it's not all that clear what the optimal thing to do is, as usual.
5   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 28, 7:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
So it's not all that clear what the optimal thing to do is, as usual.


Some debunkers drank a glass of it on TV, I remember. Growing up, we used to jokingly refer to Kool-Aide served at school as 'malathion', if I recall. Turns out that was harmless except in unrealistic doses, too


Now, you can do that. No problem.

Just can't do that every day for a month.

But that is the outrageous 'standard' the left applies. And the softening of the eggshells of eagles that Rachael Carson said turned out to be bullshit. That was caused by something else.
6   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Apr 28, 7:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Right but ddt at the coast of LA does more harm than good. That's obvious. Doesn't mean you shouldn't use it for Malaria prevention. Malaria Tropicana is very nasty, covid is a walk in the park compared to it.
7   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 28, 8:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

@mell if there's as many cannisters of DDT decomposing on the bottom of the water between those islands and LA,, yeah...that would be bad.
8   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 28, 11:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bookmark this story for when the fake-news tries to push the narrative that toxic waste is only dumped in poor neighborhoods.
9   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 28, 11:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Sounds like the companies involved followed the law. Sounds like they went beyond the 12 mile limit to dump it into international waters.

Where did the environmentalists want them to put the barrels?

They weren't going to magically disappear. After this many decades, I doubt they pose any danger.

I'd say the nuclear waste from Fukishima the Japanese are going to be pouring into the Pacific would be more problematic, but then again oceans are big.

The Chinese are telling the Japanese not to dump it, but the Chinese have a little credibility problem themselves with pollutants.
10   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 29, 4:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I bet if you could get your hands on it that DDT would be worth a lot of money. It's the best stuff to get rid of bed bugs.
11   just_passing_through   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 29, 4:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HunterTits says
Some debunkers drank a glass of it on TV, I remember. Growing up, we used to jokingly refer to Kool-Aide served at school as 'malathion', if I recall. Turns out that was harmless except in unrealistic doses, too


My dad and his brothers used to chase the DDT truck as it drove through their neighborhood spraying a fog at the TX gulf coast. When I was a kid in the 80s, 90s living in San Antonio I don't remember mosquitos. Yeah, they'd come back at the coast but not SA. Now there are mosquitos all over SA. I hate those fuckers.
12   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2021 Apr 29, 5:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Maybe we should start a LLC to come with a good DDT alternative that's only slightly different...
13   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Apr 29, 2:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Misc says
Sounds like the companies involved followed the law. Sounds like they went beyond the 12 mile limit to dump it into international waters.

Where did the environmentalists want them to put the barrels?

They weren't going to magically disappear. After this many decades, I doubt they pose any danger.

I'd say the nuclear waste from Fukishima the Japanese are going to be pouring into the Pacific would be more problematic, but then again oceans are big.

The Chinese are telling the Japanese not to dump it, but the Chinese have a little credibility problem themselves with pollutants.


Catalina isn't in international waters.

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