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Vaccination: Can Your Employer Force You To Take Them?

By HunterTits follow HunterTits   2021 May 5, 8:12pm 392 views   58 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Ok...trying this again. But if I so much as get ANY crap from @EBGuy, I don't care about what the 'rules' say. I shall unleash. FYI @Patrick

Context: VP at work told us we will start going back into the office 'soon'. Everyone will be required to be there at least 3 days a week. And it has to be the same days the rest of the team is because of something called 'teamwork synergy'.

Nevermind asking, "WTF was going on when everyone was working remotely with Slack and Zoom then?"

Then I found out thru the grapevine that when this goes down, everyone will be required to be COVID vaccinated.

Except that legally from what I can determine they can't do that.

This is because the vaccines are not FDA approved yet. That won't happen for another two years, at least. What approval they have now is called Emergency Use Authorization. EUA, for short. Memorize that acronym as you will no doubt be hearing about it more and more.

Congress set explicit language in the EUA law that says that NO ONE can be forced to take the EUA vaccinations. Not even hospital workers.

AND, most states have laws that allow you to sue an employer if they fire you for refusing to not comply with federal laws as well as state ones. This includes getting full reimbursement for legal fees from the employer, in addition to the usual damages.

I do not know if this is the case in CA.

There are other articles out there where EEOC and California's commie equivalents have issued GUIDELINES or GUIDANCES that say otherwise. Guidelines have no force of law to them, tho. So they are all legal bullshit.

But what the real thing you must know is that nothing has gone to court yet over this. And until some lawsuits happen followed by establishment of case law on this subject, the above can still be up in the air in actuality.

Now, this alone would make one think that legal depts for every company out there would warn management that they can't require COVIDE vaccinations on employees against their will until some judge...probably SCOTUS ones...say they can, damn the law Congress wrote.

Which means...in my opinion....companies that tow this line are really bluffing. All one has to do is refuse to comply and they will fold, on an individual case-by-case basis.

But that is just MY OPINION. This post is not meant to be a form of any real legal advice and you should consult with a licensed attorney if you really want to get any VALID dirt this or any other subject of the law that you read on-line.

Reading material: https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/federal-law-prohibits-employers-and-others-from-requiring-vaccination-with-a-covid-19-vaccine-distributed-under-an-eua/

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19   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 May 6, 1:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Nothing says vaccines have to take 2 more years for FDA approval. Pfizer's said they're filing for full FDA approval this month.

So once it's FDA approved I can sue their asses if I get sick from taking it? Unless it for sure saves my life, like polio vaccine, I'm out anyway most likely. I'm not anti-vax at all. I don't need the flu shot, haven't taken it, and have gotten the flu. Boom, I'm still here annoying you ;)

Almost no one needs the vax. It's all under the guise of "going back to normal" as people keep preaching. Just do it. No. I don't think any healthy individual should get it or should be wearing masks. The disease itself is completely mundane in 90% of people. Some get it bad, and from that batch 99% live that weren't half dead and in nursing homes. This data is indisputable.
20   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 May 6, 1:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says
Will TB tests be required too? How come everybody from the TB hotspot is welcome to waltz through our Southern border as they please?

Exactly. No one with a contagious disease should be allowed to walk around anymore. I mean how did we even survive before? We should all be dead.
21   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 1:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
So once it's FDA approved I can sue their asses if I get sick from taking it?


Nope, can't do it for a product approved as a vaccine. There is a compensation fund for some limited payouts to the victims, but that's it.
22   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 May 6, 1:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says
Nope, can't do it for a product approved as a vaccine. There is a compensation fund for some limited payouts to the victims, but that's it.


I think it also falls under worker's comp.
23   B.A.C.A.H.   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 1:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Of course they can't.

But employment is "At Will".
24   ThreeBays   ignore (5)   2021 May 6, 1:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
So once it's FDA approved I can sue their asses if I get sick from taking it? Unless it for sure saves my life, like polio vaccine, I'm out anyway most likely. I'm not anti-vax at all. I don't need the flu shot, haven't taken it, and have gotten the flu. Boom, I'm still here annoying you ;)


Once the FDA approves and makes this a routine vaccine, then it'll probably be governed by the vaccine courts.

Seriously speaking though we might not get a practical choice. Sure they won't drag anyone kicking and screaming to get a shot unless they're an institution, but requirements will be put up in many places.
25   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 May 6, 1:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

B.A.C.A.H. says
But employment is "At Will".


That is what it says on the books in California. But case law on the subject has all but castrated the very meaning of the term, in actuality.
26   mell   ignore (6)   2021 May 6, 1:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ah the perks of wfh include not getting jabbed with an experimental biological agent. Doubt it will be mandated anywhere outside of healthcare or useless government jobs since the employer is liable for damages, but strongly encouraged likely. Either way just wfh, you don't want to mingle with woke millennial and boomers anyways.
27   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 May 6, 1:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
Ah the perks of wfh include not getting jabbed with an experimental biological agent. Doubt it will be mandated anywhere outside of healthcare or useless government jobs since the employer is liable for damages, but strongly encouraged likely. Either way just wfh, you don't want to mingle with woke millennial and boomers anywyas.


Universities are mandating it. Rutgers and WashU, for example. Pfizer is asking for rush full FDA approval by Sept for that reason, it seems.
28   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 2:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think what you're looking for is Phase IV : post-marketing surveillance (PMS) studies
Adverse reactions that occur in fewer than 1 in 3,000 – 5,000 patients are unlikely to be detected in Phase I – III investigational clinical trials, and may be unknown at the time a drug is approved. These rare adverse reactions are more likely to be detected when large numbers of patients are exposed to a drug after it has been approved and marketed....
Conducting such general, open-label PMS studies is a regulatory requirement in countries such as Japan and the Philippines. In India, PMS data used to be submitted to the Drugs Controller General of India (DCGI) within 2 years of launch.

That said, it may be tough to get your employer to wait two years for the PMS studies to come in...
29   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 3:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

EBGuy says
it may be tough to get your employer to wait two years for the PMS studies to come in...


That's why forged vacc card is the best play.
30   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 May 6, 4:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says

That's why forged vacc card is the best play.

Stopping Vacc card forgery will be the FBI's top priority after they have caught all of the insurrectionists.
31   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2021 May 6, 4:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says
That's why forged vacc card is the best play.


As Corbett pointed out in a recent video, the easy forging of the current cards is probably intentional. Creates the foundation for mandating digital ones, inserted under the skin. We all know anything can be hacked, but that will definitely up the difficulty quite a bit. The long game her is not forgery, but refusal. Once we give up control of our own bodies, we give up control of ourselves.
32   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 May 6, 4:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Submitting forged "vaccination" cards in a sense is consent to having vaccination cards.
33   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 4:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
Eric Holder says

That's why forged vacc card is the best play.

Stopping Vacc card forgery will be the FBI's top priority after they have caught all of the insurrectionists.


Good luck with that. As it stands now even if you had your jab and lost the card in many cases it won't be possible to restore it and they admit as much. The record keeping for the whole operation is pretty shitty.
34   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 4:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
Submitting forged "vaccination" cards in a sense is consent to having vaccination cards.


Maybe. But sure beats two other alternatives for most people: getting a real jab or "taking that shit all the way to SCOTUS". Besides, for a "test case" all you need is one plaintiff.
35   ThreeBays   ignore (5)   2021 May 6, 5:05pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag      

Forging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.
36   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 5:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Forging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.


How do you envision this would unfold? Suppose you're an employer being presented by this vacc card by your employee:



Is it real?

What about this one?



Which one is fake? How did you figure? What's you next step? What will be the PC for the prosecution? Your WAG? You'll be laughed out of town.
37   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 May 6, 6:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NuttBoxer says
Once we give up control of our own bodies, we give up control of ourselves.

This is the entire fight. This could not be more true.
38   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 May 6, 6:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Forging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.


Of course. The goal is political control and profit, not public health.

You will likely have to prove that you submit to the absolute unconstitutional authority of CNN/China/Amazon or you will go to jail.

It's also a nice excuse to track everyone you ever get near, in case they also have uppity ideas.

KNOW YOU PLACE, PEASANT!
39   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 6:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
ThreeBays says
Forging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.


Of course. The goal is political control and profit, not public health.

You will likely have to prove that you submit to the absolute unconstitutional authority of CNN/China/Amazon or you will go to jail.

It's also a nice excuse to track everyone you ever get near, in case they also have uppity ideas.

KNOW YOU PLACE, PEASANT!


They are bluffing. There is no practical way to catch/prosecute any meaningful number of individuals presenting forged vacc cards. Especially DIY cards. The best they could hope for is to catch forgers who are selling them over the Interwebz.
40   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 May 6, 6:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It could pretty easily be done via a website. You show id, and they just look up your right to be a human being on such a website.

If you have no proof of compliance with the will of China, then you will have no right to be a human being.

I think that might really happen, especially with Jo Bi-Den occupying the White House for China.
41   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 6:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
It could pretty easily be done via a website. You show id, and they just look up your right to be a human being on such a website.


There is no such thing at the moment. That's the whole point: they don't have a good consolidated database of who was vaxxed by now. Then there's that little pesky thing called HIPAA....
42   Booger   ignore (6)   2021 May 6, 6:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Forging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.


There is pretty much no law enforcement being done anyway.
43   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 May 6, 6:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Booger says

There is pretty much no law enforcement being done anyway.

Oh yeah? Tell that to the grandma they're searching for for being part of the insurrection.
44   mell   ignore (6)   2021 May 6, 6:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
Booger says

There is pretty much no law enforcement being done anyway.

Oh yeah? Tell that to the grandma they're searching for for being part of the insurrection.


I think work from home will become more and more popular. And mandated vaccination, esp. with such little covid activity, will cause more worker shortages already on top of those simply living on covid checks.
45   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 7:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FBI
March 30, 2021

Alert Number
I-033021-PSA
Questions regarding this PSA should be directed to your local FBI Field Office.
Local Field Office Locations: www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices If You Make or Buy a Fake COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card, You Endanger Yourself and Those Around You, and You Are Breaking the Law
The Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General (HHS-OIG) and the FBI are advising the public to be aware of individuals selling fake COVID-19 vaccination record cards and encouraging others to print fake cards at home. Fake vaccination record cards have been advertised on social media websites, as well as e-commerce platforms and blogs.
Vaccination record cards are intended to provide recipients of the COVID-19 vaccine with information about the type of vaccine they received, and when they may be able to receive a second dose of the vaccine. If you did not receive the vaccine, do not buy fake vaccine cards, do not make your own vaccine cards, and do not fill-in blank vaccination record cards with false information. By misrepresenting yourself as vaccinated when entering schools, mass transit, workplaces, gyms, or places of worship, you put yourself and others around you at risk of contracting COVID-19. Additionally, the unauthorized use of an official government agency's seal (such as HHS or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)) is a crime, and may be punishable under Title 18 United States Code, Section 1017, and other applicable laws.
Because individuals may use fake vaccine cards to misrepresent themselves as vaccinated, we strongly encourage businesses, schools, places of worship, and government agencies to follow CDC guidance and continue to maintain social distancing and use personal protective equipment. If you did receive the vaccine, we recommend you do not post photos of your vaccine card to social media websites—your personal information could be stolen to commit fraud. For more information about the dangers of sharing your vaccination status on social media, see
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/elpaso/news/press-releases/fbi-el-paso-warns-about-not-posting-your-cdc-covid-19-vaccination-card-on-social-media-platforms
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/2021/02/social-media-no-place-covid-19-vaccination-cards
To report suspicious activity involving fake vaccination record cards, please contact the appropriate government agency in your state or jurisdiction, HHS-OIG (1-800-HHS-TIPS or www.oig.hhs.gov); or the Internet Crime Complaint Center (www.ic3.gov).
46   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 May 6, 7:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Such a slippery slope.

First we must wear masks to buy food.

Then to be employed you must produce a vaccination card. Since the card must be updated with the latest vaccine patch jab every six months, and so many people cheat because they are afraid of the lottery of death and side effects, they have to upgrade to a secure smart phone technology that will broadcast your vaccine status.

The technology works so well for viruses that the government extends the control to mean speech.

Hackers hack the un-hackable smartphone system and broadcast false positive jab status.

Microchips.

For our safety.
48   ThreeBays   ignore (5)   2021 May 6, 7:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Robert Sproul says
If You Make or Buy a Fake COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card, You Endanger Yourself and Those Around You, and You Are Breaking the Law


Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.

Not saying I like this but let's face it, Americans sue for anything.
49   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 May 6, 7:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.


It's illegal in TX and FL for any business or gov agency to require proof of vaccination.

Also, it's illegal to mandate an experimental vaccine, period. Nuremberg Laws.
50   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 May 6, 8:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.


Go ahead and refer to some supporting case law. Nobody’s ever before been held civilly liable for someone else contracting an infectious respiratory disease. Ever.
51   richwicks   ignore (4)   2021 May 6, 9:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shaman says
ThreeBays says
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.


Go ahead and refer to some supporting case law. Nobody’s ever before been held civilly liable for someone else contracting an infectious respiratory disease. Ever.


I live in California.

It's LEGAL to fuck somebody without telling them you're HIV+ or have any other STD.

Although I'm not at all certain that this fuck state wouldn't prosecute somebody for passing on a cold.
52   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 11:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Robert Sproul says
FBI
March 30, 2021

Alert Number
I-033021-PSA
Questions regarding this PSA should be directed to your local FBI Field Office.
Local Field Office Locations: www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices If You Make or Buy a Fake COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card, You Endanger Yourself and Those Around You, and You Are Breaking the Law
The Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General (HHS-OIG) and the FBI are advising the public to be aware of individuals selling fake COVID-19 vaccination record cards and encouraging others to print fake cards at home. Fake vaccination record cards have been advertised on social media websites, as well as e-commerce platforms and blogs.
Vaccination record cards are intended to provide recipients of the COVID-19 vaccine with information about the type of vaccine they received, and when they may be able to receive a second dose of ...


Empty bluff. There is no reasonable path between a fake vaxx card presented to a business and being prosecuted for it.
53   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 11:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.


That, my friend, is called grasping for straws.
54   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 11:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says
ThreeBays says
Forging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.


How do you envision this would unfold? Suppose you're an employer being presented by this vacc card by your employee:



Is it real?

What about this one?



Which one is fake? How did you figure? What's you next step? What will be the PC for the prosecution? Your WAG? You'll be laughed out of town.


So, did you get a good look at the cards? Which one is fake? How did you decide?

BUELLER?!!!
55   Zak   ignore (0)   2021 May 6, 11:17pm     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag      

Onvacation says
First we must wear masks to buy food.


You know you must wash your hands before returning to work after using the bathroom as well right? GASP And it is illegal to spit in someones food! The HORROR. WHAT ABOUT YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS!!!
56   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2021 May 7, 12:01am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Zak says
The HORROR. WHAT ABOUT YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

pathetic.

Have a good night.
57   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 May 7, 5:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Pfizer's oodles of lawyers seems to agree with the OP.

Therefore, they immediately move to remove the "Emergency" label. Thus, institutions are able to force the vaccination.

Twerps, but they do have the cash to buy off just about anyone.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pfizer-asks-fda-for-full-approval-of-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB1gsRQ2?ocid=msedgntp
58   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2021 May 7, 6:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      



original link
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Since illegals won't be using these passports, it's doubtful that it will ever be some sort of requirement.

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