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Changing opinion on COVID fatalty: "India Strain" is dangerous.: I suggest caution.


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2021 May 8, 10:32pm   2,103 views  66 comments

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Here is what I consider as a COVID death irrespective of comorbidity
A person who would have likely survived at least "6 months" more without COVID should be considered COVID death.
It likely has to be decided over larger sample as individual probability is hard to decide.
Things like normal deaths during that period can be used as yardstick.
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Some people have communist thinking that we shouldn't care deaths with comorbidity as it eventual helps the system(party).
In democratic system there is always reasonable effort made to save life unlike in communist where "system" is above individual.
In the end everybody dies if not COVID something else, so we all have expiry date.
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I have this viewpoint for last year or so that COVID is promoted as more dangerous than it actually is.
I have argued in favor of "stop the fearmongering" and just take reasonable precautions.
I was totally against the lock downs.
Based on all the statistics and listening from friends and network, It suggested COVID fatality rate is minor.

I can't suggest same for India.
The condition of people is miserable. Many people under 50 I know have died. Last count was 10+ and after that I am not keeping track as too many cases of different ages.
Reasons may be polluted air in india or people living in close proximity, But the ravging done by COVID is real as anyone with contacts in India can tell you.
I am open to "change of mind" if the proof to contrary , But suggest exercise caution.

This guy is presenting "scary" mismatch between Government numbers and what is happening on ground.
Now if he is doing "propaganda" and is a low life , I have no way to tell.
You can check his tweets and judge for yourself.

https://twitter.com/deepakpatel_91/status/1391261649223524353

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1   FarmersWon   2021 May 8, 11:12pm  

https://www.opindia.com/2021/05/up-27-faculty-members-of-amu-passed-away-due-to-coronavirus/
17 serving and 10 retired faculty members of AMU succumb to Coronavirus infection in the last 20 days
2   Patrick   2021 May 9, 12:03am  

That seems like an unusually high number. How many faculty member are there? There are about 18,000 students.

Interesting image on that page:


3   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 12:35am  

Looks like the epoch times of Hindoos.
4   Karloff   2021 May 9, 9:28am  

I've been keeping a bit of an eye on this one as well, but I don't have enough information to come to a conclusion yet. Is it really a different strain that happens to be more deadly? Is it more deadly there due to some set of ideal conditions for the virus, in some way opposite to how Haiti seemed mostly unaffected?

Short of the standard information-devoid, panic-pushing articles you see from most media, I haven't found anything scientific detailing it. Perhaps it's just too early to tell.
5   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 9:40am  

@karloff
I am worried that stupid at best and fatal at worst local vaccine might be playing part.
Lot of people are getting nasal fungus.

https://greatgameindia.com/100-vaccine-deaths-india-hospital/
6   mell   2021 May 9, 9:46am  

Well according to "experts" the India strain is already in the US and the CA strain was/is serious. So if nothing changes here you can assume it's bs. I still think environment issues aggravate the situation gravely. Haiti may be poor but they're not unsanitary or have a lot of environmental pollution, their air and water is likely relatively clean.
7   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 9:49am  

mell says
Well according to "experts" the India strain is already in the US and the CA strain was/is serious. So if nothing changes here you can assume it's bs. I still think environment issues aggravate the situation gravely. Haiti may be poor but they're not unsanitary or have a lot of environmental pollution, their air and water is likely relatively clean.


Diet is poor in India especially of vegetarians.
They eat lot of sugar to compensate for lack of protein in diets.
This is one of the biggest issues with vegetarians that PETA types like to ignore.
8   Onvacation   2021 May 9, 9:52am  

So we can't get back to normal until we have eradicated the cold?

Fuck the bullshit. If you're vulnerable, stay home. If you're scared, wear a mask. If you think it will help YOU, take the jab.

Let the rest of us live.
9   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 9:52am  

Also Haiti may not have vaccination drive by poor unproven vaccine.
Atleast in US we have some legal course against manufactures.. Hindoooo is totally at different level of corruption and stupidity.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scroll.in/video/994411/watch-bjp-mla-surendra-singh-says-drinking-cow-urine-on-an-empty-stomach-will-ward-off-covid-19
10   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 10:01am  

Onvacation says
So we can't get back to normal until we have eradicated the cold?

Fuck the bullshit. If you're vulnerable, stay home. If you're scared, wear a mask. If you think it will help YOU, take the jab.

Let the rest of us live.


This problem is that if it is indeed deadly , You can no longer claim freedom of movement as individual right.

You have right to shoot in air , But if you start getting a hit on some heads , Your operation needs to go.
11   mell   2021 May 9, 10:02am  

Haiti actually does not vaccinate against Covid at all. Maybe if you're rich and want it you can get it privately, but government does not vaccinate. So I assume less than 5% are vaccinated in Haiti and that that will not change.
13   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 10:15am  

mell says
Haiti actually does not vaccinate against Covid at all. Maybe if you're rich and want it you can get it privately, but government does not vaccinate. So I assume less than 5% are vaccinated in Haiti and that that will not change.


I believe it is good thing.
15   Karloff   2021 May 9, 10:35am  

One claim I've heard, no hard evidence to back it up:

India was treating with Ivermectin and then stopped when the vaccine became available and focused all efforts toward that. Also that it was banned(?) when vaccine became available, and is now starting to be used again when deaths started ramping up and that within about 2 weeks you'd see that dropping off again.


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16   Onvacation   2021 May 9, 10:41am  

farmer2021 says

This problem is that if it is indeed deadly , You can no longer claim freedom of movement as individual right.

More deadly than a heart attack? More deadly than driving a car?

Should we cancel electricity because someone might get shocked?
17   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 11:30am  

Onvacation says
farmer2021 says

This problem is that if it is indeed deadly , You can no longer claim freedom of movement as individual right.

More deadly than a heart attack? More deadly than driving a car?

Should we cancel electricity because someone might get shocked?


Sure when it snows you need chains or traffic is blocked.
Also you change food habits to reduce cardiac risk.
It is all about probabilities and tradeoffs.

Being a perpetual centrist I dislike both alarmist behavior as well as total disregard.
(Propaganda from either side is not centrist and I have strong dislike)

18   Patrick   2021 May 9, 11:50am  

Karloff says
India was treating with Ivermectin and then stopped when the vaccine became available and focused all efforts toward that. Also that it was banned(?) when vaccine became available, and is now starting to be used again when deaths started ramping up and that within about 2 weeks you'd see that dropping off again.


I've read this too.

It seems to fit well with Peru's experience of using Ivermectin:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/epidemiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin/



But Ivermectin is not profitable because it's nearly free.
19   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 12:01pm  

I am not expert to say whether "Ivermectin" is effective or not.
But if it is effective and people are holding it for profits, They are responsible for human suffering as seen in video.
All I can is "shame on them". I wish we can know for certain and drag their asses into courts.

https://twitter.com/pandeyvij9/status/1390898578390798337
20   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 12:09pm  

ThreeBays says
There was a report with an Indian crematorium owner who said 50 of his neighbors had died. Anecdotal, but it certainly sounds very different from what we've experienced.


I know lot of people have died.
On a positive note one of my friend lives in a high rise in tall building in India and only 2 older people died.
(It is collection of towers probably 1000s of people live there and ideal situation for lot of deaths)
Many of them had COVID and some severe symptoms but many young and old recovered(for time being).

At the same time I know 10+ younger than 50 people died.
21   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 6:34pm  

Another sad discussion with a Indian guy with all his parent generation lives in INDIA.
So many died as he literally counted like flies perishing.

Guys keep your "distrust of authorities" as You should as they are in evil hands, But still be careful with this Indian mutation.
If this is engineered virus, we may be in uncharted territory.(CCP creation to finish off Indian competition in region).
22   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2021 May 9, 6:40pm  

ThreeBays says
There was a report with an Indian crematorium owner who said 50 of his neighbors had died. Anecdotal, but it certainly sounds very different from what we've experienced.


We had a flood of news stories about bodies stacked and overflowing in NYC and elsewhere, run by the mainstream US media.

I retain the right to reserve judgement on this.
23   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2021 May 9, 6:41pm  

farmer2021 says
Another sad discussion with a Indian guy with all his parent generation lives in INDIA.
So many died as he literally counted like flies perishing.

Guys keep your "distrust of authorities" as You should as they are in evil hands, But still be careful with this Indian mutation.
If this is engineered virus, we may be in uncharted territory.


It’s also a nation where people crap in the street.

Let’s wait and see.
24   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 6:44pm  

@FuckTheMainstreamMedia

Take care. It is quite possible that it is due to failed Indian system to provide medical facilities.

>It’s also a nation where people crap in the street.
I think lack of hygiene should be plus as it creates heightened immune system to fight daily fights.

I think the NY mayhem was partly due to putting everyone on ventilator too early.
25   Onvacation   2021 May 9, 6:46pm  

farmer2021 says
Sure when it snows you need chains or traffic is blocked.
Also you change food habits to reduce cardiac risk.
It is all about probabilities and tradeoffs.

I was being a bit hyperbolic, but that's what libertarian catastriphists like me do.
26   Onvacation   2021 May 9, 6:47pm  

We're always looking for slippery slopes to warn people about.
27   Patrick   2021 May 9, 10:49pm  

http://www.irishsavant.net/?p=547

The amount of disinformation and misinformation on India’s “Covid crisis” is now so vast that it’s hard to know where to begin to untangle the web of deceit and lies. ‘The Guardian’ on the 3rd May 2021. The article in question was headlined “Covering India’s Covid crisis: ‘Hundreds of journalists have lost their lives’”. This is a blatant lie. The current situation unfolding in India is actually only affecting two places in particular, Delhi and Mumbai. So this is far from almost everyone in the country, a grand total of 1.4 billion people. But the main “area of concern” is currently Delhi. Step outside of these two areas and you’ll find that the rest of India is carrying on as normal.

But the propaganda doesn’t end there. Later on in the article ‘The Guardian’ ask their South Asia correspondent ‘What needs to happen now in order for the crisis to abate?’ Here’s the answer that was given – “The only thing that is going to get us out of this crisis is vamping up vaccine production and distribution.” Prior to the Covid Vaccine roll-out the Indian Government had been treating the citizens of India with Ivermectin. . India began using Ivermectin late August 2020, and as you can see from the graph [in the link below] it had great success in reducing the number of daily deaths attributed to Covid-19.

However for some strange reason they switched tack in January to the experimental Covid vaccines, but didn’t really get going with the vaccine roll-out until the end of February. Fast forward two weeks and the deaths attributed to Covid-19, which had almost flat lined suddenly started to rise at an unexplained and exponential rate compared to the rate previously seen in India.
28   FarmersWon   2021 May 9, 11:31pm  

Patrick says
http://www.irishsavant.net/?p=547

The amount of disinformation and misinformation on India’s “Covid crisis” is now so vast that it’s hard to know where to begin to untangle the web of deceit and lies. ‘The Guardian’ on the 3rd May 2021. The article in question was headlined “Covering India’s Covid crisis: ‘Hundreds of journalists have lost their lives’”. This is a blatant lie. The current situation unfolding in India is actually only affecting two places in particular, Delhi and Mumbai. So this is far from almost everyone in the country, a grand total of 1.4 billion people. But the main “area of concern” is currently Delhi. Step outside of these two areas and you’ll find that the rest of India is carrying on as normal.

But the propaganda doesn’t end there. Later on in the article ‘The Guardian’ ask their South Asia correspondent ‘What needs to happen now in order for t...


I have strong inclination that Bill and Milinda are evil people and this author is onto something regarding their evil plan.
But He is spreading falsehood that only Delhi is suffering.
Every city is in dumps. The so called silicon valley of India has a huge scam in allocation of beds .. condition same everywhere as many more patients than hospital beds.
https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/bribe-for-bed-scam-bengaluru-official-social-media-disappointment-1800133-2021-05-08

These people should stop this propaganda and report truth.



In this chart you can generate data for different cities, COVID cases are exploding everywhere.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hydrabad+COVID&ei=j9OYYJGLF9L1-gSL-KOABA&oq=hydrabad+COVID&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyDQgAELEDEIMBEMkDEEMyCggAELEDEIMBEEMyCggAELEDEIMBEAoyBAgAEEMyBAgAEAoyBAgAEAoyCggAELEDEIMBEAoyBAgAEAoyBAgAEAoyBAgAEAo6BwgAEEcQsAM6BwgAELEDEAo6CgguEMcBEK8BEApQ6DhY90JgwURoAXABeACAAaMBiAH_BJIBAzQuMpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwjRjpqRv77wAhXSup4KHQv8CEAQ4dUDCA0&uact=5
30   Tenpoundbass   2021 May 10, 9:38am  

Variants is a bigger load of Bullshit, than the Virus itself.

First off all they do is RNA tests to determine if the deceased had Corona or not, the last I checked the RNA test doesn't conclude it was indeed Corna virus 100% let alone what fucking Commie Strain.
31   FarmersWon   2021 May 10, 9:47am  

Tenpoundbass says
Variants is a bigger load of Bullshit, than the Virus itself.

First off all they do is RNA tests to determine if the deceased had Corona or not, the last I checked the RNA test doesn't conclude it was indeed Corna virus 100% let alone what fucking Commie Strain.


I am not sure what it is.
Its a sad situation in India due to large number of people dead.
People need $2k per day of hospital stay and no insurance. The median income is $2k per year.
There are public hospital , which have no resources at all.

i think India has no resources to do full testing. The only think "private people" can do is look at symptoms and average "death rate" increase and see the impact of COVID on death rate.
Govt is in hiding and most likley they will either resign or dragged on street and chased like Gadaffi.(my preference for these criminals)
This time Bhartis should ensure no traitors come to power again.
32   Tenpoundbass   2021 May 10, 10:22am  

Biden is killing the millions in India, they flourished and brushed Covid off under Trump.
The Commie Cabal with Biden demands they get with the program or get in the back of the line.
You wanna come to the Biden America with open borders, and foreign workers get fast tracked ahead of Tax paying Americans. Then you better get your fucking pillows out, roll up your sleeves and start snuffing out Elderly patients in your medical and Senior facilities. It's easy to do, furlough all of the competent straight shooting nurses and Doctors home. Hire only Satanic Humanity loathing Leftist Commies, kill anyone that steps foot in the Hospital, all of the honest staff are unemployed and not there to blow the whistle. And to combat boredom, for not having any viable patients they didn't snuff out in the middle of the night, make many Tic Toc videos with the complete hospital staff dancing. I think it's a confirmation video, so they get bonuses from CDC and WHO and the Biden Satanic Covent.

The Corona virus recovery rate for those that don't go to the hospital is 100%.

Once you go, you never come back.
33   FarmersWon   2021 May 10, 10:34am  

@Tenpoundbass
You paint a very dark present and future.
Hope we can do better. There are 10s of millions of Americans who “care for country and citizens”.
They will save the day for us.
Enjoy your day.

I am hopeful for India too, Poor we’re living bad life anyway, Now 10% of top have tasted the hardships of poor and some change will likely come.
34   Tenpoundbass   2021 May 10, 10:58am  

farmer2021 says
You paint a very dark present and future.
Hope we can do better. There are 10s of millions of Americans who “care for country and citizens”.
They will save the day for us.


Tens of millions had their votes flipped for a Communist regime hostile take over.
You're damn right we'll save the day, we're working around the clock to bring it all to light. That is why the Satanic Communist Cabal are livid trying to stop it. They thought by smearing everyone as a dissident and turning the FBI and DOJ on the American citizens would just shut us up, like other countries with a meek society with no balls. Just rolls over and lets the Commies fuck them all up the Ass.

It's not happening here, so keep the confidence that we will keep the pressure up, to expose them and send them all back to the bowels of Hell.

This is America, and if you don't know what it's about. It's not a fucking Geographic location. It's self determined people that refuse to bend and relent to tyranny and low IQ scumbags, that think they can just take what Americans have created, by getting a stamp on a piece of paper, and street address in some choice zipcode.

It's much harder work than that to be an American.
35   Tenpoundbass   2021 May 10, 11:03am  

Even the India you describe a Hindu hospital would kill people not Hindu.
And the Sikhs would kill Hindus and Muslims.
Just blame it on Covid and wait for the CDC check to clear.
36   porkchopXpress   2021 May 10, 11:52am  

What if all these people dying in India is part of the Elites' depopulation agenda? I bet they're just killing off the unhealthy, elderly and poor who are a "suck on society".
37   FarmersWon   2021 May 10, 11:58am  

Tenpoundbass says
farmer2021 says
You paint a very dark present and future.
Hope we can do better. There are 10s of millions of Americans who “care for country and citizens”.
They will save the day for us.


Tens of millions had their votes flipped for a Communist regime hostile take over.
You're damn right we'll save the day, we're working around the clock to bring it all to light. That is why the Satanic Communist Cabal are livid trying to stop it. They thought by smearing everyone as a dissident and turning the FBI and DOJ on the American citizens would just shut us up, like other countries with a meek society with no balls. Just rolls over and lets the Commies fuck them all up the Ass.

It's not happening here, so keep the confidence that we will keep the pressure up, to expose them and send them all back to the bowels of Hell.

This is America, and if you don't know what it's about. It's...


It is temporary setback. May be sometimes things happen for good.
May be COVID is wake up call to top 50% or so in US and 10% or so in India that they can't ignore the plight of rest.
US manufacturing is destroyed and workers called "trailer trash/white rednecks" etc. to ignore their economic concerns..
Once communism takes hold, It is hard to uproot... I am positive that US will overcome this challenge.

Regarding Bharat , It is till run by London globalists through proxy Hindoo cult.. But people are waking up.
Large scale voluntary movement of upright people from Hindoo cult to Sikhism is certain.
(There used to be tradition of Hindooo families to have their elder Son as Sikh, Must come back as Khalsa is defender of Bharat)
38   FarmersWon   2021 May 10, 12:05pm  

Tenpoundbass says
Even the India you describe a Hindu hospital would kill people not Hindu.
And the Sikhs would kill Hindus and Muslims.
Just blame it on Covid and wait for the CDC check to clear.


Commoners are all Bhartis and want welfare of Bharat.(Like ordinary Americans)
Hindooo cult remote controlled by globalists is danger , Buts its days are numbered and Khalsa will beat it and bring "true freedom" to Bhartis.


Sikhs perform well in hour of need:
https://in.news.yahoo.com/sikhs-delhi-serving-free-food-103219194.html
Sikhs in New Delhi serving free food to Covid-19 patients and their families

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/delhi-at-gurdwara-oxygen-langar-many-covid-patients-get-a-breath-of-life-7305005/
Delhi: At gurdwara oxygen langar, many Covid patients get a breath of life
The “oxygen langar” at the gurdwara was set up two weeks ago by Khalsa Help International and Gurdwara Sri Guru Singh Sabha.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jun/14/if-you-want-anything-done-get-the-sikhs-community-wins-admirers-for-bushfire-and-covid-aid
'If you want anything done, get the Sikhs': community wins admirers for bushfire and Covid aid

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/dining/free-food-sikh-gundwara-langar.html
How to Feed Crowds in a Protest or Pandemic? The Sikhs Know
Their centuries-old faith tradition of nourishing anyone in need has found new energy and purpose in America’s turmoil.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/sikhs-step-up-welcome-oroville-dam-evacuees-in-their-temples/42164/
Sikhs Step Up, Welcome Oroville Dam Evacuees to Their Temples
"It's just hardwired into us and our religion," Harsimran Singh aid. "Anytime someone needs help, we need to be there."

https://www.thebetterindia.com/53531/golden-kitchen-10-things-didnt-know-langar-golden-temple-amritsar/
50,000 Free Hot Meals a Day and 9 Other Amazing Facts About the Langar at the Golden Temple
39   FarmersWon   2021 May 10, 12:17pm  

porkchopexpress says
What if all these people dying in India is part of the Elites' depopulation agenda? I bet they're just killing off the unhealthy, elderly and poor who are a "suck on society".


@porkchopexpress
I think it is very real possibility. Fascism and communism consider people less important than system.
Although Fascism and communism claim to be in conflict, But both are same "control freak criminal cults".
You can see that "Freedom loving" Americans have fought both Fascism(2nd world war) and Communism.. There is a reason for us to oppose both.

India is getting doubly hit.. Fascist India government controlled by communist global elite.
Common Bhartis are in very painful and cruel system.
40   FarmersWon   2021 May 10, 12:44pm  

https://twitter.com/Marco_Acortes/status/341578219176214528
Corona virus....its coming


https://www.india.com/viral/this-twitter-user-predicted-coronavirus-8-years-ago-in-2013-people-are-freaking-out-check-out-his-tweet-4653432/
This Twitter User ‘Predicted’ Coronavirus in 2013 & People Are Freaking Out | Check Out His Tweet
A tweet predicting coronavirus by a random Twitter user is going viral on the internet right now and people are extremely intrigued.

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