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Cousins Jamal and Tyrone went to the subdivision and shot TEC9s into the air, claiming the subdivision was part of a plantation their great x5 granddaddy Shakalluka was taken too.

Anybody who calls the cops on them is an Apartheid Oppressor - after all, the worst that ever happened was a kid got a piece of brick scratching their face from a Ricochet.

Thanks, didn't know about Iron Dome:

https://missilethreat.csis.org/defsys/iron-dome/

HunterTits says

Pics of the crew who man that baby!

https://patrick.net/post/1293879/?comment_id=1751966

They woman it! And very well.

NO FAIR!!!

Crazy Jihadis only have shitty homemade rockets. Just like the crazy guy who charged at police with a cleaver should have been met with a cleaver wielding cop!

Israel must disband the Iron dome!

I think Israel should respond to unguided rocket attacks on civilian areas with unguided bomb attacks on downtown Gaza

That's DIFFERENT!!

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Crazy Jihadis only have shitty homemade rockets.

They have Grad. These are not homemade - it's Russian military stuff.

FuckCCP89 says

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Crazy Jihadis only have shitty homemade rockets.

They have Grad. These are not homemade - it's Russian military stuff.

Or Democrats supplied stuff

One other reason to love Israel: The only country to run over an Evergreen College Militant with a bulldozer.

If Rachel Corie was alive today, she'd be a leader of Antifa or elected to Congress as a Democrat.

If Israelis could, they would have towed their land somewhere near west indies.

Lol, true.

They love the land, and it's central to the Jewish religion, but it's in a bad neighborhood.

Blue says

FuckCCP89 says

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Crazy Jihadis only have shitty homemade rockets.

They have Grad. These are not homemade - it's Russian military stuff.

Or Democrats supplied stuff

Democrats supply money.

Patrick says

Lol, true.

They love the land, and it's central to the Jewish religion, but it's in a bad neighborhood.

Sikhs have same problem.
We are tired of Hindoo-Muslim fights.

HunterTits says

renaming it the Kyle Rittenhouse System

Hell, let's start using the term ourselves.

The Kyle Rittenhouse system has proven its worth in keeping Israelis safe from rocket attacks.

So what we are seeing here is the fulfillment of Biden's plans when he gave the Palestinians that aid money.

I like the Palestinians use of that money to improve their economy, infrastructure and quality of life for their citizens.

Well done Biden. Well done Hamas.

Misc says

So what we are seeing here is the fulfillment of Biden's plans when he gave the Palestinians that aid money.

I like the Palestinians use of that money to improve their economy, infrastructure and quality of life for their citizens.

Well done Biden. Well done Hamas.

I don't see How Israel can exist for long term.
Eventually Muslim ummah will get it. I feel bad for both Jewish and palestenian commoners.
There is elite segment which is too much invested in hate.

Patrick says

They love the land, and it's central to the Jewish religion, but it's in a bad neighborhood.

FFS - it's central to ever Abrahamic religion.

I wouldn't give a damned what Israel does, if they didn't constantly drag the United States into various conflicts they whip up, and then lobby 1/2 the states of the United States to literally make it illegal to criticize their government.

richwicks says

FFS - it's central to ever Abrahamic religion.

I think they vary quite a bit:

Judaism: Israel is central, particularly Jerusalem.

Christianity: Doesn't have a center. Used to be Rome for the Western Europeans and Constantinople for the Eastern Europeans. I guess they did try to recover The Holy Land during the crusades, which were almost entirely Christian before Islam.

Islam: Centered on Mecca, which is fine, because no one else wants it. Problem is that they also want Jerusalem.

Patrick says

Christianity: Doesn't have a center. Used to be Rome for the Western Europeans and Constantinople for the Eastern Europeans. I guess they did try to recover The Holy Land during the crusades, which were almost entirely Christian before Islam.

It's supposedly the birthplace of the Messiah, although Nazareth doesn't exist, that's a incorrect translation of one of the earlier Bibles - Jesus was a Nazarene - or a man that doesn't cut his hair. There was no "Nazareth" until the 3rd century AD. For Muslims Jesus is the 2nd most important prophet, Mohammed being #1.

The Dead Sea scrolls MIGHT be entirely fabricated, and in fact, many certainly are. There actually may be little connection, or even NO connection between the Ashkenazi Jews and Jerusalem and it's the Ashkenazi that completely control Israel.

In reality, all Israel is, is an intentional sore spot that the British Empire setup to keep the Ottoman Empire from ever reforming. The plan of action appears to be nothing more than to stir as much racial and religious division in the area as possible, to keep the people divided up and fighting among one another, while supporting local mafias like the Sa'ud family.

Engh - all the Abrahamic religions are ultimately political tools anyhow, and little more. I'm well beyond passing any moral judgement on the situation, I'm just fucking tired of it and goddamned tired of the unrelenting propaganda about it.

Anyhow watch - I think Israel will retake Gaza in this round. Gaza was given up temporarily so that the West Bank could be taken over, that's all but complete now, so they're going to move on to Gaza, and then I bet an official annexation of the Golan Heights. From there I cannot predict, but I very much doubt Israel will stop there, but I don't have any hints as to what might be next. Perhaps the Sinai although I imagine that's far in the future.

farmer2021 says

I don't see How Israel can exist for long term.

Nobody understood how it could last or survive against a concerted attack by every neighboring Arab nation in 1967 either. Israel was toast! Except somehow those crazy Jews beat all the Arab armies and claimed land from them as reparations!
You think Israelis might have some better weapons and army training by now? I think so.
If the Israelis ever got license to really let loose, they could have five times the size of their country in a week. And the philistines would be pushed into the sea on Day Two.
It’s the goodwill of the world that they cultivate by showing restraint and not doing all that.

I really miss President Trump. He had the Mideast as peaceful as it has ever been .

Nobody ever mentions that Gaza's border with Egypt is shut tighter than Israel's with Gaza. Mostly because the Egyptians are pissed Hamas sold weapons to Sunnis in the Sinai that ruined their tourism there, although it was mostly closed before that, opening only a few times a month. Egypt also has a massive multi-layer wall solely along their border with Gaza, heavily armed guards shoot to kill Palestinians all the time, as well as blowing up their smuggling tunnels.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Nobody ever mentions that Gaza's border with Egypt is shut tighter than Israel's with Gaza.

How do you know?

The situation is that Likud always benefits from a conflict, and so does Hamas. Both "governments" are perfectly happy to have a skirmish because it solidifies the power of each leadership group.

Benjamin Netanyahu is under investigation for corruption or whatever, and hasn't been able to form a government. Benny Gantz is in competition with him to do it. With this "emergency" I expect that to end.

Can you think like a ruthless sociopath? That's all it takes to understand a governmental leadership.

richwicks says

How do you know?

The Egyptian-Gaza border has been shut most of the time for years now.

https://news.yahoo.com/gazas-egypt-border-stay-shut-sinai-massacre-190610162.html

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/egypt-gazans-leave-strip-time-months-72301966

richwicks says

Benjamin Netanyahu is under investigation for corruption or whatever, and hasn't been able to form a government. Benny Gantz is in competition with him to do it. With this "emergency" I expect that to end.

And nothing to do with Palestinians being emboldened by a $200M+ check from Biden last month, attempts by Biden to warm relations with Hamas friend Iran, and general knowledge that Trump is gone?

Things were relatively quiet - until shortly after Trump left office.

The last thing HAMAS or the Fatah want is any kind of normalcy. Then Levantine Arabs' attention will go from the Evil Jewses to "How is all our aid money being spent? How can Hamas leadership afford $20M apartments in the Gulf? Where are all the jobs? "

I wonder why the Palestinians, in the decades of control by Egypt over Gaza and Jordan over Judea-samaria, did they not revolt in a fit of Palestinian Nationalism?

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

richwicks says

How do you know?

The Egyptian-Gaza border has been shut most of the time for years now.

https://news.yahoo.com/gazas-egypt-border-stay-shut-sinai-massacre-190610162.html

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/egypt-gazans-leave-strip-time-months-72301966

Yes, the same "news" agencies that said that Saddam Hussein had a weapons of mass destruction program, and that Trump was a Putin Puppet, and that Bana al-Abed was a kid sending out tweets from Aleppo every single day after that city was bombed to rubble to such an extent that water and food was difficult to get, but the Internet still worked great.

Those aren't sources. They are propaganda.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

richwicks says

Benjamin Netanyahu is under investigation for corruption or whatever, and hasn't been able to form a government. Benny Gantz is in competition with him to do it. With this "emergency" I expect that to end.

And nothing to do with Palestinians being emboldened by a $200M+ check from Biden last month, attempts by Biden to warm relations with Hamas friend Iran, and general knowledge that Trump is gone?

Internal motivations from the puppet in charge is irrelevant, he just takes orders.

The end result will be BS outrage from the "leaders" of Gaza and to create support for Netanyahu. This playbook has been worn out, but they still use it.

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

The last thing HAMAS or the Fatah want is any kind of normalcy. Then Levantine Arabs' attention will go from the Evil Jewses to "How is all our aid money being spent? How can Hamas leadership afford $20M apartments in the Gulf? Where are all the jobs? "

It's the last thing they want, and the last thing Likud wants. This conflict will exist for at least the next 40 years. Likud retains power as long as there is a conflict. Our government does the same thing - "you're either with us, or with the terrorists" - RIGHT?

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

I wonder why the Palestinians, in the decades of control by Egypt over Gaza and Jordan over Judea-samaria, did they not revolt in a fit of Palestinian Nationalism?

Palestinians have been historically discriminated against. The Middle East is filled with horrifically racist and bigoted morons.

It's to the benefit of everybody who is in a position of power to continue the conflict so it will continue. The people, they're just sheep, cattle. They believe any BS their "leaders" tell them.

Anyhow, watch Benjamin Netanyahu will be prime minister. If Hamas wanted to have him gone, they couldn't provoke a conflict at a worse time, could they? I guess they are just "stupid".

richwicks says

Yes, the same "news" agencies that said that Saddam Hussein had a weapons of mass destruction program, and that Trump was a Putin Puppet, and that Bana al-Abed was a kid sending out tweets from Aleppo every single day after that city was bombed to rubble to such an extent that water and food was difficult to get, but the Internet still worked great.

It's pretty common knowledge that the Egyptian-Gaza fortified border exists and has been shut for a long time, opening only occasionally. Hamas has attacked and tried to breach the wall in the past. There are plenty of pictures of it, from a variety of news sources from Gulf to Israel to Islamistsymp to the Neoliberal Slimes to the rabidly anti-Israel Reuters, all with a different take on the fortified Egypt-Gaza border, but all admitting it's there:

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2020/02/egypt-builds-new-barrier-to-boost-border-security-gaza-strip.html
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/egypt-building-new-wall-along-gaza-border
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-begins-building-concrete-wall-along-gaza-border/
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/world/middleeast/03mideast.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/instant-article/idINIndia-31742420080203


richwicks says

Palestinians have been historically discriminated against. The Middle East is filled with horrifically racist and bigoted morons.

Palestinians are just Levantine Arabs, most of them immigrants into Israel in the 19th and early 20th Century as a result of European Jews pouring money and infrastructure into the backwater, which it had been since Ottoman Conquest Times. Didn't even merit being a province, but only a part of Syria. Before the KGB and Cairo-born Agent Aref created the idea of "Palestine" in 1964, which was never was listed as an historical ethnicity in the centuries previous, they referred to themselves as simply "Arabs". Palestine is a Cold War Creation. Nor did they ever attempt independence when Egypt and Jordan occupied Gaza or the West Bank; and the PLO's1964 founding document explicitly recognize Egyptian and Jordanian control of what is today under the Palestinian Authority. Suddenly, in 1968, the PLO decided that Gaza and the West Bank belonged not to Egypt or Jordan, but "Palestine"

The reasons the PLO and Palestinians are "hated" by Jordan and Lebanon is because they tried to overthrow the Government of the first, and interfered in the Civil War of the Second. Not to mention backing Saddam against the Gulf States, to the point that Palestinians aided and supported Hussein's invasion and thus were expelled upon the return of the Kuwaiti Government, and now factions back Iran against much of the Middle East.

Half of the Jewish population of Israel descends from Middle Eastern Jews expelled before and after the creation of Israel, which unlike the Arab states around it, wasn't given as a free gift from the remains of the Ottoman Empire to Arabs. Even though that was Britain's entire justification for the Mandate of Palestine, they gave 3/4 of it to their buddies the House of Husseyn after they were expelled from Mecca and Medina by the House of Saud, and never created any Jewish State.

Arabs are mostly done with the whole Palestinian thing anyway, particularly the Gulf Arabs. If treated the way the law treats every other Refugee group except Palestinians, the whole thing would disappear slowly over 2-3 generations. Palestinians are the world's only group that counts as Refugees even generations removed, owning full citizenship and property in multiple countries, whereas all other refugees cease to be the moment they have any kind of residency anywhere else for a brief time.

Rashida Talib for example, counts as a Paleban refugee despite US Birth and owning property and full citizenship and even holding a US Congressional Seat. Linda Sarsour same boat, and not only was she born in the US to a family owning multiple properties, her US kids are considered by the UN to be refugees

https://babylonbee.com/news/media-condemns-israel-for-unprovoked-attack-on-innocent-hamas-rockets

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

richwicks says

Palestinians have been historically discriminated against. The Middle East is filled with horrifically racist and bigoted morons.

Palestinians are just Levantine Arabs, most of them immigrants into Israel in the 19th and early 20th Century as a result of European Jews pouring money and infrastructure into the backwater,

No, they weren't. I get so tired of arguing about this shit. Here's the 1922 and 1931 census counts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_census_of_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1931_census_of_Palestine

That's 9 years difference between those two dates. Here was 1922:

Muslims 590,890
Jews 83,794
Christains 73,024
Druze 7,028

and miscellaneous.

Here's it 9 years later:

Muslims 759,717
Jews 174,610
Christains 91,398
Druze 9,148

Here's the population change for each group:

Muslims +28.57%
Jews 100.08%
Christains +25.16%
Druze +30.02%

So - who looks like they may be moving in en-masse or even invading?

I'm so fucking sick of arguing against propaganda and brainwashing. The fucking data is there, I can show it to you a billion times, I could show the world a billion times, I can't compete against brainwashing and propaganda that has been going on for over a century and I'm tired of doing it. Believe whatever happy bullshit you want. The Palestinians will be exterminated as a culture, just another goddamned genocide, it's not the first one, won't be the last. To that "Never Again!" Bullshit - is just more propaganda.

Most people are sheep, I just have to fucking accept that and stop trying to fight it.

Oh, and if you want to compare population growth of that time period, the US population grew about 15% between 1920 and 1930.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-is-the-population-of-the-united-states.html

richwicks says

So - who looks like they may be moving in en-masse or even invading?

Returning after being kicked out is not "invading". Crimean Tatars were deported from Crimea to Uzbekistan by Stalin in 1944. They came back en-masse after the collapse of the USSR. Their numbers in Crimea went from essentially zero to a 1/4 mil over couple of years. They are most def did not invade their homeland even though playing with numbers and timeframes can make it look like they did.

FuckCCP89 says

richwicks says

So - who looks like they may be moving in en-masse or even invading?

Returning after being kicked out is not "invading".

My great grandfather left Poland just prior to the Nazi invasion of Poland. He abandoned property to do this, in order to avoid what he expected to be a calamity. After the war, the USSR took control of Poland and essentially it was a vassal state until the mid 1980s.

My returning to Poland, to seize what was once my great grandfather's land - would you consider that justified?

That was 4 generations ago. You're talking about 80 generations ago.

I'm tired of hearing this specious argument.

richwicks says

My returning to Poland, to seize what was once my great grandfather's land - would you consider that justified?

Absolutely. You might even be entitled to restitution in property or money by current Polish law. I know people who got back property, confiscated from them by Commies in Czechoslovakia. Many former Eastern Block countries have such laws (but not actual non-Baltic ex-Soviet republics, although Crimean Tatars did receive land in lieu of property confiscated in 1944, although at much less desirable locations).

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

My returning to Poland, to seize what was once my great grandfather's land - would you consider that justified?

Absolutely. You might even be entitled to restitution in property or money by current Polish law. I know people who got back property, confiscated from them by Commies in Czechoslovakia.

Good fucking lord - NO.

My family escaped, but others didn't, and were stuck there and lived under horrible conditions.

The people who fled have NO RIGHT to take property from the people who didn't, and stayed behind. Israel, from my point of view, are filled with lunatics and their morality changes in whatever way advantages them.

I just don't care to discuss this. There is ZERO consistency in the arguments. Honestly, the people that run Israel today, they're probably have absolutely no relation to the Israelis of 70AD, meaning they probably aren't descendants. You know who probably are? The Palestinians.

richwicks says

The people who fled have NO RIGHT to take property from the people who didn't, and stayed behind.

That's your choice. You want to forfeit what has been taken from your ancestors to the descendants of Commie fucks who took it - knock yourself out. But not everybody thinks this way.

richwicks says

My returning to Poland, to seize what was once my great grandfather's land - would you consider that justified?

Is you ancestral land in the part of Poland that stayed part of Poland? As I am sure you know, half of pre-war Poland was annexed by the USSR. Also, a good chunk of pre-war Germany was incorporated into Poland. It is like someone picked up Poland like a carpet and moved it west.

Lol, this is true. I remember being amazed when I first heard about it. They just slid Poland a few hundred miles west after the war.

This resulted in a lot of ethnic Germans being forced out, and I met some of them. They call them selves "Vertriebene" which literally means "driven out" and they still want their farms and other property back.

And they're right. It was an injustice based on ethnicity alone.

Patrick says

This resulted in a lot of ethnic Germans being forced out, and I met some of them.

My High School German teacher was one of those. He was a German Naval Officer during the war and his hometown became part of Poland. Since "Pollock" jokes were the rage at the time, it made him the butt of some humor.

Patrick says

Lol, this is true. I remember being amazed when I first heard about it. They just slid Poland a few hundred miles west after the war.

This resulted in a lot of ethnic Germans being forced out, and I met some of them. They call them selves "Vertriebene" which literally means "driven out" and they still want their farms and other property back.

And they're right. It was an injustice based on ethnicity alone.

Germans chose not to pursue it, so they don't. Not everybody made that choice and not everybody should. There is nothing wrong with letting it go. But there is nothing wrong with NOT letting it go either.

Eric Holder says

Germans chose not to pursue it, so they don't. Not everybody made that choice and not everybody should. There is nothing wrong with letting it go. But there is nothing wrong with NOT letting it go either.

The Polish Government (then Controlled by the Soviets) decided not to demand reparations from Germany in the 1950s. They should and could, and Duda just threatened about revisiting that decision.

Merkle crapped her pants.

I'm a huge fan of ethno-religious forced relocation, it's a huge blessing for peace as it ends Revanchism.

Can't claim a slice of another country based on them having a majority of your ethnicity in a neighboring province if there's none of your ethnicity there.

Peace in Europe everywhere it was practiced. The only ethno-religion wars and insurgencies of note in Europe since WW2 are in places it wasn't (Basque Country, Yugoslavia, Northern Ireland).

Burma will far more peaceful when Rohingya are expelled. So would Sri Lanka if they had somewhere to deport their Muslims to. Almost all trouble in Thailand is in Muslim Heavy provinces bordering with Malaysia

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

The Polish Government (then Controlled by the Soviets) decided not to demand reparations from Germany in the 1950s. They should and could, and Duda just threatened about revisiting that decision.

"Reparations" for WW1 was one the factors that started WW2 in the first place.

HunterTits says

Yup. Most people do not know this but the Allies worked together -- including the Soviets -- to forcibly relocate hundreds of thousands of ethnic minorities across the borders after WWII. This effected the Germans for the most part. But others were moved as well. All part of the agreements reached in Potsdam.

No more German majority Sudentenland. No more Poles in Czechoslavakia or Eastern Germany. No more Germans in western Poland. I think Gdanks was mostly emptied out, too. They didn't move the millions of Hungarians in Transylvania tho. Too many, I guess. And that is a source of contention between Hungary and Romania even today.

Yup! The few Poles not murdered by the Nazis and their Ukrainian Militia Groups were sent into Poland, eliminating conflicts that once existed between Warsaw and it's Ukrainian Provinces!

The first war Poland fought after independence was actually a brief conflict with the Czech Republic over a border city, arguing over whether the majority there was Polish or Czech...

Great point about Transylvania. Whether "Wallachia" belongs to Romania and Hungary has been a long time thing, I think Hitler got involved in that argument at some point.

HeadSet says

"Reparations" for WW1 was one the factors that started WW2 in the first place.

True. However, reparations after WW2 were paid to civilians for specific acts of treatment; whereas WW1 reparations were payments made for the entire cost of the war, including every last bullet and gallon of gas. Germany was literally required to pay every last frank or pound France and the UK had spent on the war.

As for WW1, it wasn't unusual for countries to have to pay a shitton of money to the victor, that was a common surrender term in the centuries previous. However, no war had ever been fought on such a huge scale, with every sector of the economy, like WW1 was, so the burden was unbelievable. It wasn't just the equivalent of a few year's taxes from a handful of provinces.

I have sometimes thought that the conflict in Northern Ireland could be neatly solved by asking the Protestants to move to England and asking all the Irish Catholics in England to move to Northern Ireland. I mean England literally here, not as a shorthand for "UK" of course.

I think the populations are similar in size.

Just a big old house swap.