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Wow, the left has promoted pedophilia for a long time

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Aug 1, 10:27am 656 views   65 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


https://spectatorworld.com/topic/child-abuse-avant-garde-pedophilia-children-nambla/


When child abuse was avant-garde
The prominence of pedophilia in Sixties and Seventies thought

Last month the New Yorker published an essay about a grotesque experiment that took place in West Germany in the 1970s, in which young boys who had been taken from, or abandoned by, their parents were placed with known pedophiles.

It was no accident. It was quite deliberate. The powerful sexologist Helmet Kentler believed that pedophilic guardianship would foster an open and unashamed attitude towards sex that would preclude the development of fascistic attitudes. As the New Yorker says:

’Kentler’s goal was to develop a child-rearing philosophy for a new kind of German man. Sexual liberation, he wrote, was the best way to “prevent another Auschwitz.”’

A sensible reader could guess what happened to the boys. Those that the New Yorker spoke to report feeling depression and rage deep into adulthood.

Kentler was appalling, but he was of his time. Taboos surrounding children were being eroded. The German Green party was especially notable for its enablement of child abuse. As the Times of London reported in 2015, ‘a paedophile network was active in the Berlin branch of the Green party until the mid-1990s, with potentially hundreds of victims’.

Daniel Cohn-Bendit, a leading student activist in the 1968 unrest and a prominent member of the Greens, wrote fantasies about sexual contact with children which he later awkwardly described as ‘irresponsible’ and ‘a type of manifesto against the bourgeois society’. Cohn-Bendit was not, as you might assume, a hair-brained student when he wrote that filth but 30 years old. Perhaps the bourgeois society had something — at least something — to be said for it.

You could attempt to ascribe all of this to post-war German pathologies — except that enthusiasm for the potential of childhood sexuality was common throughout the counter-cultural movements of the Sixties and Seventies. It may not have been a cause to rival the campaign against the war in Vietnam but it was a major one, with powerful friends.

Some cultural figures were very much self-interested. The French author Gabriel Matzneff wrote about raping children for years before it turned out that he was, of all things, a child rapist. It took the publication of Vanessa Springora’s memoir Consent, in 2020, in which she related being abused by Matzneff, for him to face repercussions. Being able to turn a sentence, it appears, is a good way of dodging a sentence. Your crimes are attributed to artistic license.

Others were driven by ideology. French intellectuals were especially energetic in their efforts to normalize pedophilia. A who’s-who of Gallic literary figures signed a petition in 1977 that called for sex between adults and children to be decriminalized, including Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, Jean-Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir.

Foucault, who was posthumously charged with raping Tunisian boys by his fellow writer Guy Sorman last year (charges, in fairness, that are unproven and that Foucault is unable to respond to), helpfully clarified that when he said children he meant children. In a radio conversation in 1978 he dismissed the very concept of being underage:

‘An age barrier laid down by law does not have much sense. Again, the child may be trusted to say whether or not he was subjected to violence.’

Any child who is able to express themselves, he was explicitly suggesting, is able to ‘consent’ — as if an eight-year-old and an 18-year-old have the same psychological capacity. The generous explanation of such a belief is arrant foolishness. The alternative is criminal opportunism.

But amid enthusiasm for women’s liberation, gay liberation and the sexual revolution, it was tempting for progressives to assume that kids had been constrained by the repressive systems they believed had been confining them. Allen Ginsberg, author of the poem ‘Howl’, joined NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Reportedly, Ginsberg said, ‘I’m a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too — everybody does, who has a little humanity.’ This seems a bit like saying that you are a national socialist because you like your nation and you’re very sociable.

In correspondence with Ginsberg, William Burroughs, author of The Naked Lunch, reported paying two Arabic boys to have sex with one another. Burroughs’s biographer Barry Miles claimed that Burroughs used this anecdote in The Naked Lunch ‘to purposely annoy his readers, a Swiftian gesture to reveal their prurience and to undermine their middle-class values’. It would seem more ‘Swiftian’ if Swift had actually eaten Irish kids.

Of course, all of these efforts failed. Pedophilia, thankfully, was a bridge too far for the general public — who had grown increasingly receptive to individual choice but who were not convinced by the idea that this principle could be extended to kids, or that strange, sweaty men talking about ‘man/boy love’ had any interest in the kids’ wellbeing.

Still, this dark phenomenon endures in relevance. We often hear about being on the ‘right side of history’, as if there is a natural drift of civilized societies towards a more enlightened state of being, associated, typically, with the discarding of taboos and the acceptance of new and innovative social standards. Sometimes a taboo should be discarded. But sometimes they have a damn good reason to exist and people should not feel narrow-minded or parochial for opposing change. You see, for example, the same exaggeration of childhood agency as a means of enabling exploitation in cases of so-called ‘drag kids’.

Sometimes, too, as this case reminds us, change is not inevitable and can be reversed. Foucault is still respected on the strength of other aspects of his work, but if he was demanding the end of age of consent laws nowadays he would lose his intellectual respectability before you could say ‘structuralism’.

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26   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 17, 7:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
What is your point? That we should never admit that gays exist?


No. That the "Pedos who don't actively molest are okay" narrative is intended to lead to the normalization of Pedophilia and, like Tranny and Gay "RIghts", the eventual punishment of anybody who opposes it.
27   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 17, 7:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
CaptainHorsePaste says
Remember what happened with Gays and Trannies?

What is your point? That we should never admit that gays exist?


I think he's saying that it's a slippery slope and we really don't want to slide down that path.

HeadSet says
There are people who have an unnatural attraction to pre-pubescent children. They should NEVER act on it. No exceptions. No "slippery slope." And those that do not ever act on it are not criminals just because they have those urges.


There is a slippery slope - he just demonstrated it. Why is LGBTQ bullshit being taught in government schools? If you want some BS class like that, do it AFTER school. Add an extra hour to school for extra-curricular BS for those that want to take it. From Bible study to homosexual erotica if you want - provided it's voluntary and not paid for by taxes. School is empty anyhow normally.
28   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Nov 17, 7:25pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CaptainHorsePaste says
That the "Pedos who don't actively molest are okay" narrative is intended to lead to the normalization of Pedophilia and, like Tranny and Gay "RIghts", the eventual punishment of anybody who opposes it.

OK, good point. But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing. Do you think they should be imprisoned? Imagine if you were told, as a hetero male, that you were never allowed to date women. If you get the urges, you can always date some men instead. That is the burden a Pedo faces. Still they must NEVER act on it, and it is never "normal."
29   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 17, 7:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
OK, good point. But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing. Do you think they should be imprisoned? Imagine if you were told, as a hetero male, that you were never allowed to date women. If you get the urges, you can always date some men instead. That is the burden a Pedo faces. Still they must NEVER act on it, and it is never "normal."

Depends. If they have CP, yes. CP should never be decriminalized.

Unfortunately, the rate at which CP possessors molest is extremely high, along with their recidivism rate.

One of the main reasons we have animal cruelty laws is because of the strong correlation between animal abuse and violence against humans.

I expect, if the Left keeps "winning", that CP will be decriminalized and the sex offender registry ended or scaled back.

You'll also notice the very high correlation between Transgender and Child Abuse. I believe several of the "Drag Queen story time" participants had priors for crimes against the underaged, such as exposure or sexual assault.
30   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 17, 7:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing. Do you think they should be imprisoned?


Only a nutcase would say thought crime should be punished.

Actual crime should be punished, but it's not. Anybody from Antifa or BLM in jail for their burning, looting, and even murdering?

A lot of this "compassionate caring 'I can sympathize'" bullshit is merely a distraction to keep us at loggerheads arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin as the world burns around us.
31   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 17, 8:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
OK, good point. But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing.


There is no such thing as a pedophile who doesn't rape children. That is the definition of the word. If I ever meet one on the street, I will start swinging, and will not stop until they're unconscious.

I'm guessing you don't have kids. There is no gray here, no room for tolerance, NO justification. Nobody is born attracted to children. That is a sick fucking perversion of mankind. And it perfectly illustrates the bullshit theory that fags and dikes are born that way. I've never heard of or met a single one who wasn't abused.

These people are at best seriously fucked up and in desperate need of counseling. At worst, they are fucking evil incarnate.
32   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 17, 8:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
The Left Has A Pedophilia Problem


NuttBoxer says
Just a reminder, that the Franklin Coverup scandal revealed deep networks across politics, law enforcement(local and federal), and CPS that went back to the 50's. But the particular party most directly involved were the Republicans.

When it comes to pedophilia, they're all to blame.


I agree with NuttBoxer's sentiment here, this is not, and should not be, made into a partisan issue. Trying to make it into one is an EXTREME example of the kind of contrived polarization that has become an unfortunate norm in American politcal discourse. Pedophilia is the type of accusation that should NEVER be treated lightly. I'm speaking as someone who went through a step-family breaking up because my SO developed some psych issues and became pathologically jealous of any time I spent with her daughter after years invested in a step-parent role, and thought nothing of playing that card at one point, then was quite shocked to find she couldn't just withdraw it and go back to before like nothing.

But when it comes to ACTUAL abusive pedophilia and child exploitation, I think that's one issue where pretty much ALL sane adults regardless of political persuasion would come together.
33   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2021 Nov 17, 9:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I noticed that a while too. All prominent media people were all homos, left constantly said that you are not allowed to criticize gays for whatever reasons, they practically worship this ass fucking shit. Who else you are not allowed to criticize that most "white" people afraid to say a word about? Sums up to it being a new hysteria which will be one day known as gay worship.
34   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 17, 9:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Who else you are not allowed to criticize that most "white" people afraid to say a word about?


Jews?
35   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2021 Nov 17, 9:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Who else you are not allowed to criticize that most "white" people afraid to say a word about?


Jews?


Nah, they criticize them hard around here. Main stream media practically calls them terrorists while Palestinians the unsung heroes.
36   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 18, 12:47am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
HeadSet says
OK, good point. But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing.


There is no such thing as a pedophile who doesn't rape children.


Yes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.
37   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 18, 8:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says

There is no such thing as a pedophile who doesn't rape children.


Yes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.


Ever notice, the people most stridently against expressions of sexuality both hetero and homo, tend to be the LEAST sexually informed or engaged themselves?!?

When it comes to homosexuals and the laws and treatments they "deserve," homophobia is a last refuge for Libertarian and Republican hardcore closet authoritarians. Probably because they're closet 'mos, too- gonna put that on the table. I suspect grown men perfectly capable of self-defense who are vocally homophobic and act like they're afraid of being attacked by a gay person, are REALLY scared because part of them conflictedly WANTS it.

Better blatant than latent, friends.
38   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 18, 8:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The issue is antinomianism.

Buttsecks is a major vector for STDs, far worse than PIV or Oral Intercourse - this is incredibly well established.

The same people who claim to speak in the name of "The Science" don't want this taught in K-12 Sex Ed class, however.

The issue is NOT what people do in the privacy of their own home/bathhouse club.

The issue is that "Gay is Okay and even Cool" has become Officially Sanctioned, with those who disagree being unpersoned, and children being indoctrinated in Public Schools.

The same people who whinge about Intelligent Design being offered as a theory for OOL in School "imposing values" are the same who wish to impose the Alphabet Mafia value system. And CRT, for that matter.

The instigators of the Culture War are almost always the Left. From Eugenics, to Abortion, to Gay Marriage, to Trans Acceptance, to the ban on School Prayer to a generic Divinity. Sure, a few have tried to ban the Teletubbies from the school library, but 90% is from the Left.

That is NOT acceptable.
39   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2021 Nov 18, 8:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
NuttBoxer says
HeadSet says
OK, good point. But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing.


There is no such thing as a pedophile who doesn't rape children.


Yes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.


Then they aren’t gay. Gay is the sex choices. If they don’t, they really aren’t right?
40   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 18, 8:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Is it a coincidence that "Non Binary" people are front and center in leaping to Pedo Normalization?
https://archive.ph/ZGVdk
42   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 18, 12:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
Yes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.


That's called being straight. Whatever fucked up tendancies or abuse you're harboring, don't use it as justification for child rape. Or at least be honest about wishing society was as fucked up as you are. Yes, I'm attacking you directly, because you deserve it for attempting to legitimize raping children. I hope someday you realize how fucked up you are.
43   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 18, 1:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fortwaynemobile says

Yes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.


Then they aren’t gay. Gay is the sex choices. If they don’t, they really aren’t right?


You are factually wrong here. One can harbor gay wishes and fantasies to an intrusive level but be married to a woman for appearances and never act upon his gay desires. Again, people with no idea how vast areas of sexuality operate outside their narrow personal experience, and are thus blind to the common silent tragedies of unwilling beards and willing sham marriages.

And pedoPHILE literally means an attraction or affinity to minors, nothing more. Punishing this alone is enacting a victimless thought crime. Acting upon it isn't pedophilia, it's legally presumed to be sexual assault upon a minor, an ACTUAL, and victim-ful crime. If we follow the wishes of Republicans from the bottom of their homophobic purity spiral, and begin punishing non-active pedophiles as if they were actual or inevitable sexual assaulters of children, this completely disincentivizes seeking professional help, and removes any deterrence from taking fantasy into the real world and ACTUALLY acting upon it.

I look at the "problem" of child exploitation and homosexuality from a libertarian "pragmatic harm reduction" perspective, not a religious "purity at any unintended cost" perspective. Less harm and better outcomes for the greatest number of individuals in the bigger picture.
44   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2021 Nov 18, 2:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
One can harbor gay wishes and fantasies to an intrusive level but be married to a woman for appearances and never act upon his gay desires.


I think that's a point of disagreement. Let me explain: fantasies aren't same as reality. You watch movies, maybe play video games... at no point you are actually pacman, even though you might temporarily be in character. By same token thoughts don't make one a fag, fucking dudes or children makes one a fag, some men simply need to control their urges if they want to live in a stable society.

Sexual urges happen, if everyone was allowed to follow all their urges every woman would be raped (yeah men are born this way). We clearly limit sexual behavior in order to stabilize society. Limiting gay is part of that stabilization, it must be curbed and prosecuted the same way rape is.
45   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 18, 7:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NuttBoxer says
richwicks says
Yes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.


That's called being straight. Whatever fucked up tendancies or abuse you're harboring, don't use it as justification for child rape


I have never, ever, had fantasies about having sex with a man, ever, in my life. I've never jerked off in the shower with a bar of soap imagining myself being fucked by a guy or fucking a guy. It's not my thing. I have ZERO interest in it.

Having said that, I've had some pretty fucked up sexual fantasies, but they've never involved children - but believe me, pretty fucked up.

"Straight" isn't something you have to force yourself into being. For me "normal" is something you might have to force yourself into being. I'm comfortable with that.
46   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 18, 8:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
I've never jerked off in the shower with a bar of soap imagining myself being fucked by a guy


You BETTER not have, unless you were trying for anti-gay aversion therapy. Soap in the urethra burns quick and strong. Same with Mom's tempting bathroom pump bottle of Jergins hand lotion. Things I discovered all around the same time at 13. As for the fantasy specified, I hear they make suction cup base dildos for that kind of shower play.

richwicks says
I have never, ever, had fantasies about having sex with a man, ever, in my life


Eh, I don't believe people who stress this, but neither am I going to judge. :P

I'll be honest, I had confused fantasies as a slightly aspie awkward adolescent who had plenty of male friends but couldn't figure out how to relate to "the girls." As I got older and started gaining the nuts to apply myself, it was exclusively women I approached, and when I actually got snuggled up to and inhaling the pheromones of my high school girlfriend, it was like instant 100% "Oh yeah, this is it" certainty of my sexuality. This history has left me with the capacity to understand and somewhat empathize with homosexuals without fear and prejudice, which has led to getting to know plenty of them in real life situations. Contrary to this bizarre fabric-of-Western-society-ripping strawman of gay people that homophobes frequently express, having and hanging around with average gay friends, neighbors, customers, colleagues, etc., is pretty much EXACTLY like hanging out with a like number of heterosexual people, except the parties hosted by gay ones tend to be noticeably more fun, yet with no more sexuality breaking out among couples or randos than would happen at a normal (i.e. non-kink or overly liquored company holiday) shindig hosted by straight people.
47   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 18, 8:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Automan Empire says
One can harbor gay wishes and fantasies to an intrusive level but be married to a woman for appearances and never act upon his gay desires.


I think that's a point of disagreement.


I think what you're seeing is the limitations and boundary of your personal sexual imagination, and conflating this with the extent and boundaries of human sexuality. Do you not know what beards and sham marriages are, and their personal pain and lost life potential and happiness that result from taking these paths to serve the wishes and soothe the fears of OTHER PEOPLE?

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Limiting gay is part of that stabilization, it must be curbed and prosecuted the same way rape is.


I have to take strident opposition to this position, and consider it tantamount to fighting words. Are you REALLY equivocating the doings of consenting adults in private with RAPE?
48   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2021 Nov 19, 7:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
I have to take strident opposition to this position, and consider it tantamount to fighting words. Are you REALLY equivocating the doings of consenting adults in private with RAPE?


I’m saying sexual urges need to be controlled to have a stable society. All sexual urges exist, some need to be controlled unless we want rape everywhere. Gays are raping society, billions of people who ban gay all over the world are not fools like you think they are. They’ve seen suffering brought on by allowing this kind of sexuality. Once you legalize it, they can market it to children, and from there society is in suicide mode, America is right now there. Fucking children is rape, they are easily manipulated and their consent is meaningless.
49   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 19, 8:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
richwicks says
I have never, ever, had fantasies about having sex with a man, ever, in my life


Eh, I don't believe people who stress this, but neither am I going to judge. :P


I'm very serious. My cousin is gay, I live in Silly Con Valley, I have a business partner that is gay - I have absolutely no attraction to men, whatsoever. If I did, I would have acted upon it, and I have been propositioned before. Gay men typically end up as a top or a bottom, and a few are "versatile" - I'm certain you know what that implies. As a top in San Francisco, you have your choice of mates which was surprising to me. Without getting into the gory details about it, I'm absolutely certain I wouldn't at all enjoy being a bottom, and I have absolutely no desire to be a top. Anal sex is simply, well, unappealing to me. But whatever, live and let live.

With my limited experience with the "homosexual community" (which really doesn't exist today since homosexuality has been largely normalized), I would say that it WAS considerably different than the heterosexual community. Homosexual men have far more partners than heterosexuals do, and homosexual women have less. Drugs are extremely common in the male homosexual community (don't really know about the lesbian ones) and they tend to be more nihilistic. Every homosexual man I know, EVERY SINGLE ONE, has done a crapload of drugs. Meth and heroin were quite common in the community in this area about 15 years ago. I don't know about now. Meth to me is a drug for homeless people, and heroin - I've seen people die on that in college, 30 years ago. Those are two drugs I will never try until I'm in my 70's and probably not even then.

But that was 15-20 years ago. I've not really paid attention or have cared about it for a long time. My attitude is I don't care, but this push for acceptance of pedophilia I find extremely disturbing and I do know about some of the ancient cultures where this was acceptable but I think it's incompatible with modernity.

There was, supposedly, an African tribe where it was thought semen was a limited resource and that as you lost it, you grew older and eventually died. In this, very unusual tribe, it was thought that to allow children to grow the children had to consume it. So in this culture, NOT engaging in fellatio with children was immoral. That was a lesson in how morality is based on faulty thinking and logic. The children grew up to adults, they still produced other children, and they weren't damaged within this society since EVERY child engaged in this.

Still, I have to be cautious about these supposed societies, and if they really even existed. Margaret Meade was a fucking liar and I'm sure there are plenty of others. Kinsey was just a fucking weirdo with very poor research skills. Psychology interested me for a bit, but the field is so rife with fraud. We are FORTUNATE that it is, otherwise our masters would actually have real data on how to control the population. They don't. About 1/2 the population can be led and therefore brought into a model which is TOTALLY artificial based on poor modelling of the "typical" human being.

The modelling of humanity is so bad, that I fully expect our societies to go through a RADICAL transformation in the next decades. It began I'd say about 5 years ago. Media system is breaking down, authorities are no longer trusted, people are pushing back against "education" - it's amazing to see it happen. I credit this on my belief that psychology is largely bullshit and our masters are HIGHLY dependent upon "understanding the masses". They don't. Maybe they did in 1950, but you change the environment, and the organisms change within the environment. Maybe people have changed?

I was listening to a podcast with Tim Cast, Joe Rogan, and Alex Jones:


original link


What was interesting is one of the members of the group (some guy I don't know the name of) said "He [Walter Cronkite] lied all the time, people didn't realize it" and "Every word they [the media] say is a lie including 'and' and 'the'". "We've reached new levels of being able to expose them. They lied us into the Spanish War and Cuba 100 years ago. Nothing has changed." You have any idea how nice it is for me to hear somebody voice this on a POPULAR program which a MILLION people listen to even though they face censorship?

Check this out:



I'm sorry this is such a meandering post but there is some sort of homosexual and pedophile agenda, it's failing (first time I've seen an agenda fail) and the narrative is totally breaking down, and people are becoming aware of it. People openly discuss it and that never happened before in my lifetime. If I said, 20 years ago "oh, the mainstream media lies all the time and they lie about everything" I would have been called a nutcase, even though it's entirely true. I remember a time when if you said "oh, that guy doesn't trust the mainstream media" - that was code for "that guy is a crackpot".

I BELIEVED that 20 years ago our mainstream media was MOSTLY BS, but I could not voice it. Now, people talk about it openly and they aren't savagely cut down for it. Do you have any idea what a fundamental shift is going on? It's a very interesting time. This is why we built the goddamned internet.

30 years ago I used to talk to other engineering students about what a change UNLIMITED information would bring and it was like "we'll destroy the propaganda! We'll make education possible for anybody regardless of wealth and status. We'll expose the criminals in our society. We'll allow people all over the world to realize that we are not enemies, but our governments are enemies and we're just pawns". We had idealistic and good goals and when it Bush lied us into the Iraq War, and 99% of the people went along with it, and believed what I thought were OBVIOUS LIES, I was like "what a total failure this was. I've wasted my best years" - but here we are 20 years later. I'm giddy every day. What we set out to do ages ago, appears to be happening.

People decry the censorship - this companies WE HELPED BUILD were NEVER on our side. We built them, we can destroy them too, and I'm seeing that happen too. Censorship is a sign of desperation and weakness - it's a GOOD sign. The fuckers that have been fucking with our society and ruining people's lives FOREVER (far longer than my lifetime, for 100's if not 1000's of years) are going to go down. The "elite" are far more insidious, far more evil, far more entrenched than I ever imagined as a 20 year old kid. I suspected they existed, but the mask is coming off and we're beginning to see just how they have been pulling off the scam(s) for a very long time. What we went up against is something we wouldn't have taken on if we knew how powerful it was - we figured it would be easy, it was far more difficult and yet I think we're going to win.

The whole artificial construction of a hierarchical knowledge base is disintegrating. If this was 1970 and the government said we were in a pandemic and if the "news" media went along with it, we'd all have had the vaccine and the booster shots by now. Nobody would have questioned it. We still had some independent media back then, haven't had that since Clinton deregulated news ownership under the FCC. The big companies bought out the little ones as the owners were nearing retirement and had spent a lifetime fighting the good fight. The people doing independent media now, they CAN'T be bought off, too many people exist to be bought off, and frankly plenty of them do it just as a HOBBY. They are not going to be able to regain control, and I'm absolutely freaking ecstatic about it. As the authorities realize that they've lost control, they will become more oppressive, they will double, triple, and quadruple down but all they are going to do is show their illegitimacy. They've ALWAYS been illegitimate, but finally, the average person realizes it, FINALLY. 3 decades. 30 fucking years to get to this point. You have no idea how happy I am to have lived to see this.
50   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 19, 8:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Real hope, not hopium, in post above.

The internet is a fucking threat, which is why it's censored.

They don't censor Bigfoot Wants To Teach Us Crystal Healing Resonance Channeling Down the Nordic UFOs to Bring The White Pill about Flat Earth.

Part of the Media's flip out is they're trying to replace dying influence with amping the Snide Virtual Signalling and Nasty Rhetoric up to 11.
51   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 19, 8:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CaptainHorsePaste says
Real hope, not hopium, in post above.


God do I know it. I've been hoping for this change for more than 1/2 my life, and 1/2 lifetime ago I didn't realize just how bad this change was needed. It's 100 times worse than I knew. No kidding, and I think I was extremely cynical in 2015.

I'm pretty certain we're going to win.

When Trump (love him or hate him) managed to win the presidency DESPITE all the major news media lining up against him I was so happy. Not because it was Trump that won, it was that the standard control mechanism that has been controlling this country forever, failed for the first time ever in my life. For the first time our lying media failed to convince the population even though they were in 100% agreement.

If the media was equally divided on him or even 70/30 divided, nothing would have significantly changed, but when the media lost and then went on to do 4 years of BULLSHIT to try to remove him, and STILL failed then I realized, this is a sea change. Fundamental change that I've never seen before in my entire lifetime and it's a good change. It's a wonderful change. I'm so damned happy. I've experienced depression on and off for 30 years, and it's just gone now. I haven't felt crappy in quite a while.

CaptainHorsePaste says
Part of the Media's flip out is they're trying to replace dying influence with amping the Snide Virtual Signalling and Nasty Rhetoric up to 11.


They are trying to transition control over to Google, Facebook and Twitter - it's not going to work. That podcast I posted? It's on at least 3 sites. Go ahead Google - censor it, you fucking fucks. If Odysee and Bitchute and whatever other sites are bought out, it won't matter, new ones will replace them. Eventually, we're just going to distribute the internet and there will be nobody to buy. The future is awesome again.

At the end of the day, the population is going to have complete dominance and control over their companies, not the other way around as it was. Companies that won't do this, that resist it, will be destroyed. They are going to be servants once again.
52   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 19, 11:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
Automan Empire says
richwicks says
I have never, ever, had fantasies about having sex with a man, ever, in my life


Eh, I don't believe people who stress this, but neither am I going to judge. :P


I'm very serious.


If it wasn't obvious, that was a lighthearted joke not a serious jab. (You're actually one of my favorite Patnet posters.) I'll be back after work hours to follow up on this good convo, but I'm seasonally swamped atm.
53   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 19, 11:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
I'm very serious.


If it wasn't obvious, that was a lighthearted joke not a serious jab. (You're actually one of my favorite Patnet posters.) I'll be back after work hours to follow up on this good convo, but I'm seasonally swamped atm.


It's fine. I went off into the weeds with my reply. I should thank you for saying I'm a favorite, but at the same time, I know there is nobody to look up to - distrust my reasoning.

I suspect that "TPTB" are actively trying to undermine society, and are failing at doing it. I think that's what this whole pedophilia push is about and the push for homosexual normalization was just a stepping stone for that. I believe it's backfiring on them, and that it's not just going to be a pushback, but their very destruction. They have gone too far, it's woken up (actually woken up) 1/2 the country and that 1/2 is going to beat the absolute shit out of the traitors who are trying to sink this nation. Traitors RUN this nation, and have been running it almost exclusively for 20 years, maybe more.

"TPTB" are going to double, tripple, quadruple, etc, etc, down until we squash them like the bugs they are. This was a demoralization campaign and there's going to be hell to pay. People didn't believe you when you said "Hey, sociopaths run this nation" 10 years ago. I think a lot of people, far more than the needed 15% for a revolution, have realized this is true. A bunch of people are now mad as hell, and they're not going to put up with it anymore.

This was the very basic intent for ME to go into development of the Internet. This was a HOPE we had 30 years ago. A know a lot of engineers that wanted to absolutely put a stop to criminality and corruption by making the Internet. I think a lot of people forgot about it, but I didn't. It was a serious blow to the thought it would be possible to do when Bush lied us into Iraq, but we're getting there I think. Standard control mechanisms to protect the criminal syndicate are now gone or in tatters. CNN used to be an authoritative news source 20 years ago, it's a fucking joke now. Google was THE search engine for information 20 years ago, now it's just one of many. Youtube was THE place to go for independent video creators 10 years ago, now it's just one of many.

Hey is Antifa and BLM rioting in Kenosha because of the Rittenhouse verdict? That was their fucking army. Where's their useful idiot brownshirts?
54   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 19, 4:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"There's no penalty for opposing Trans Agenda. It's all bullshit Culture War stuff made up by Right Wi----"


New Hampshire school district says football coach suspended student for saying there are 'only 2 genders'
The student is suing the school for violating his right to free speech and religious beliefs

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-hampshire-high-school-said-football-coach-suspended-student-saying-two-genders
55   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 19, 8:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CaptainHorsePaste says
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-hampshire-high-school-said-football-coach-suspended-student-saying-two-genders


"foxnews.com" - I'd be suspicious of that.

They lie. Where's that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq they droned on about for 10 years? Fuck them. The exist to stir up shit shit between the plebeians - the "left" and the "right".

There's no left/right - it's us versus the criminal establishment. At this point, the left just seems a little slower at recognizing that - still thinking that Neocon asshole clone of George W. Bush in blackface after a diction class was some sort of improvement simply because he supported gay marriage - nothing our establishment gives a shit about.
56   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 19, 9:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Other sources: https://humanevents.com/2021/11/16/new-hampshire-high-school-student-allegedly-suspended-for-saying-there-are-only-two-genders-sues-school-district/
https://bangordailynews.com/2021/11/10/news/new-england/nh-student-suspended-for-only-2-genders-comment-sues-school/

I doubt an attorney would take on a case if they couldn't show the student was suspended and why. And it's apparently in the School Policy that Public Taxpayer Funded School Students MUST refer to other students by their preferred pronouns

This is where we disagree, Richwicks. There is definitely a left/right, and the left has been the one pushing an agenda, and having it largely anti-democratically imposed. Every day more evidence comes out that Teachers and Admin Unions/Societies openly discuss how to get around Parents and Taxpayers to sneak in the Alphabet Agenda.

Here is another one:
https://abigailshrier.substack.com/p/how-activist-teachers-recruit-kids

This is independent reporting on Substack. The MSM does not promote stories of teachers/EduAdmins colluding to push CRT/AlphabetMob programs under the radar. In fact, they deny such things exist at all.

When non Leftists put up obstacles to the Leftist Agenda, it is called "Culture Wars".

There is a conflict between organic, Jeffersonian Libertarian Democracy and the Saint Just/Robespierrian Centralized, Hyperrational Equity & "Reason" "Democracy".
57   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 20, 6:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CaptainHorsePaste says
This is where we disagree, Richwicks. There is definitely a left/right, and the left has been the one pushing an agenda, and having it largely anti-democratically imposed.


Noooooo! There's a left/right among us little peon morons. That is created to create conflict.

The real battle is up and down - authoritarian versus slaves. The left/right is just to get us to fight one another. It's a distraction. Our true enemies are just simply criminals. Joe Biden is having his son sell "art" for 1/2 million dollars so he can accept bribes but we're left to argue about transgendered bathrooms and if black lives matter. Trust me, the people at the top don't give a SHIT about that nonsense.

Think about this - a lot of celebrities have children who are transgendered. Name one political "leader" that does, other than Sonny Bono? Chaz Bono really IS a transgender, the kids of celebrities, they are just victims to make it seem common, and we are put at each other's (the left and right) throats over this issue nobody in power gives a fuck about.

I'll tell you this, the French Laundry doesn't have all inclusive bathrooms.

CaptainHorsePaste says
There is a conflict between organic, Jeffersonian Libertarian Democracy and the Saint Just/Robespierrian Centralized, Hyperrational Equity & "Reason" "Democracy".


Yes, you're totally right about this.

Do you think the left or even the right even know what you just said? Of course they don't.

It's a battle between authoritarians and the rest of us and this battle is fucking old.

There is nothing wrong with banding together. This is often called "communism" by our authoritarians - but they band together - you can see it now with the censorship. It depends one what we band together over. If we band together against the criminal syndicate that control this nation, that's called "bad", if we band together against some foreign nation to start some stupid war, that's "good". They define the terms.

Think people of wealth and power don't conspire for their own benefit? Of course they do. It's nominally illegal, it's a trust, but the government won't break them up. But when we band together, they'll start killing people over it. They'll use agent provocateurs. They will use propagandists in our media.
58   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 20, 11:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

In The Wealth of Nations, talked about how employers would overtly band together to fix wages at the level they wanted, but the employees could get thrown in jail for the same thing. I guess there were no unions back then.

Unions could be used very effectively today, but I think most of them are weak or corrupt now. They need to be rebuilt from the ground up.
59   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 21, 6:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
Noooooo! There's a left/right among us little peon morons. That is created to create conflict.


I agree that the desire is for control. However, that desire is fundamentally and for the purpose of "Left".

A "Right" authoritarian generally wants to re-establish tradition (for better or for worse) using diktats and force. A "Left" authoritarian wants to "Better" things and "sweep away old ideas (including liberties like gun ownership, religion, etc.)" using diktats and force.

Particularly in our times. "Right" Authoritarians today control no institution and have no power, they get fired from a P/T job at a Dairy Queen if they want racial purity or whatever. Whereas Left Authoritarians can mandate jabs, demand open borders, sabotage parental input, etc. are not only stay in power but be lauded for it.

Progressives, who began in Earnest in the USA post-Civil War, want to sweep away liberties and superstition. They believe poor people are too stupid and thus dangerous to progress, and are always plotting to sterilize them, vaccinate them forcibly, or instruct their kids in values regardless of parent wishes. That's the Left Side/Saint Just side of the "Enlightenment".

Chomsky, the "Libertarian Socialist", tipped his hand by grouchily demanding the government force jab everybody. This is why the "Libertarian Left", when pressed, complains that voluntary communes wouldn't work unless there were many forming at the same time. Same reason they're jabbers, too. The hippies are pretty much gone.
60   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Nov 21, 7:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CaptainHorsePaste says
A "Right" authoritarian

"RIght authoritarian" is an oxymoron. The further right one goes, the less government one wants. Wanted to be left alone is not authoritarian.
61   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 21, 7:58am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
CaptainHorsePaste says
A "Right" authoritarian

"RIght authoritarian" is an oxymoron. The further right one goes, the less government one wants. Wanted to be left alone is not authoritarian.


There can be Right Authoritarians who believe they need to use arbitrary laws and force to restore liberty and order and sometimes tradition.

I'm still on the fence about that. We may need a 2-4 year dictatorship/oligarchy to strip away "Progress", but I think it'll be a long slog.

A dictator who completely shuts the border, mandates school vouchers, cuts the Federal Budget in about Half, eliminates huge swaths of the Admin State starting with the Dept of Education, with any discretionary remaining going to states as Block Grants.
63   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 26, 10:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.ntd.com/professor-who-defended-pedophiles-announces-resignation_706226.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net


Professor Who Defended Pedophiles Announces Resignation
USZachary Stieber Nov 25, 2021


Good, but jail time would be better.
64   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 26, 11:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
https://www.ntd.com/professor-who-defended-pedophiles-announces-resignation_706226.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net


Professor Who Defended Pedophiles Announces Resignation
USZachary Stieber Nov 25, 2021


Good, but jail time would be better.


We cannot jail people from wrongthink no matter how bad it is. We can only prosecute people based on their actions.

When wrongthink becomes a crime you can be assured it will be us that first go to prison, not them. The law isn't equally applied, it's selectively applied. That's why there are no BLM or Antifa "protester" thugs in jail, but 500 people in jail for the January 6th "insurrection". Gaige Grosskreutz hasn't been arrested, and he won't be tried for illegally carrying and brandishing a firearm - he won't be tried for attempted murder, and he won't be tried for vandalism and arson.

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