2021 Aug 1, 10:27am
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When child abuse was avant-gardeThe prominence of pedophilia in Sixties and Seventies thoughtLast month the New Yorker published an essay about a grotesque experiment that took place in West Germany in the 1970s, in which young boys who had been taken from, or abandoned by, their parents were placed with known pedophiles.It was no accident. It was quite deliberate. The powerful sexologist Helmet Kentler believed that pedophilic guardianship would foster an open and unashamed attitude towards sex that would preclude the development of fascistic attitudes. As the New Yorker says:’Kentler’s goal was to develop a child-rearing philosophy for a new kind of German man. Sexual liberation, he wrote, was the best way to “prevent another Auschwitz.”’A sensible reader could guess what happened to the boys. Those that the New Yorker spoke to report feeling depression and rage deep into adulthood.Kentler was appalling, but he was of his time. Taboos surrounding children were being eroded. The German Green party was especially notable for its enablement of child abuse. As the Times of London reported in 2015, ‘a paedophile network was active in the Berlin branch of the Green party until the mid-1990s, with potentially hundreds of victims’.Daniel Cohn-Bendit, a leading student activist in the 1968 unrest and a prominent member of the Greens, wrote fantasies about sexual contact with children which he later awkwardly described as ‘irresponsible’ and ‘a type of manifesto against the bourgeois society’. Cohn-Bendit was not, as you might assume, a hair-brained student when he wrote that filth but 30 years old. Perhaps the bourgeois society had something — at least something — to be said for it.You could attempt to ascribe all of this to post-war German pathologies — except that enthusiasm for the potential of childhood sexuality was common throughout the counter-cultural movements of the Sixties and Seventies. It may not have been a cause to rival the campaign against the war in Vietnam but it was a major one, with powerful friends.Some cultural figures were very much self-interested. The French author Gabriel Matzneff wrote about raping children for years before it turned out that he was, of all things, a child rapist. It took the publication of Vanessa Springora’s memoir Consent, in 2020, in which she related being abused by Matzneff, for him to face repercussions. Being able to turn a sentence, it appears, is a good way of dodging a sentence. Your crimes are attributed to artistic license.Others were driven by ideology. French intellectuals were especially energetic in their efforts to normalize pedophilia. A who’s-who of Gallic literary figures signed a petition in 1977 that called for sex between adults and children to be decriminalized, including Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, Jean-Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir.Foucault, who was posthumously charged with raping Tunisian boys by his fellow writer Guy Sorman last year (charges, in fairness, that are unproven and that Foucault is unable to respond to), helpfully clarified that when he said children he meant children. In a radio conversation in 1978 he dismissed the very concept of being underage:‘An age barrier laid down by law does not have much sense. Again, the child may be trusted to say whether or not he was subjected to violence.’Any child who is able to express themselves, he was explicitly suggesting, is able to ‘consent’ — as if an eight-year-old and an 18-year-old have the same psychological capacity. The generous explanation of such a belief is arrant foolishness. The alternative is criminal opportunism.But amid enthusiasm for women’s liberation, gay liberation and the sexual revolution, it was tempting for progressives to assume that kids had been constrained by the repressive systems they believed had been confining them. Allen Ginsberg, author of the poem ‘Howl’, joined NAMBLA, the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Reportedly, Ginsberg said, ‘I’m a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too — everybody does, who has a little humanity.’ This seems a bit like saying that you are a national socialist because you like your nation and you’re very sociable.In correspondence with Ginsberg, William Burroughs, author of The Naked Lunch, reported paying two Arabic boys to have sex with one another. Burroughs’s biographer Barry Miles claimed that Burroughs used this anecdote in The Naked Lunch ‘to purposely annoy his readers, a Swiftian gesture to reveal their prurience and to undermine their middle-class values’. It would seem more ‘Swiftian’ if Swift had actually eaten Irish kids.Of course, all of these efforts failed. Pedophilia, thankfully, was a bridge too far for the general public — who had grown increasingly receptive to individual choice but who were not convinced by the idea that this principle could be extended to kids, or that strange, sweaty men talking about ‘man/boy love’ had any interest in the kids’ wellbeing.Still, this dark phenomenon endures in relevance. We often hear about being on the ‘right side of history’, as if there is a natural drift of civilized societies towards a more enlightened state of being, associated, typically, with the discarding of taboos and the acceptance of new and innovative social standards. Sometimes a taboo should be discarded. But sometimes they have a damn good reason to exist and people should not feel narrow-minded or parochial for opposing change. You see, for example, the same exaggeration of childhood agency as a means of enabling exploitation in cases of so-called ‘drag kids’.Sometimes, too, as this case reminds us, change is not inevitable and can be reversed. Foucault is still respected on the strength of other aspects of his work, but if he was demanding the end of age of consent laws nowadays he would lose his intellectual respectability before you could say ‘structuralism’.
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What is your point? That we should never admit that gays exist?
CaptainHorsePaste saysRemember what happened with Gays and Trannies?What is your point? That we should never admit that gays exist?
Remember what happened with Gays and Trannies?
There are people who have an unnatural attraction to pre-pubescent children. They should NEVER act on it. No exceptions. No "slippery slope." And those that do not ever act on it are not criminals just because they have those urges.
That the "Pedos who don't actively molest are okay" narrative is intended to lead to the normalization of Pedophilia and, like Tranny and Gay "RIghts", the eventual punishment of anybody who opposes it.
OK, good point. But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing. Do you think they should be imprisoned? Imagine if you were told, as a hetero male, that you were never allowed to date women. If you get the urges, you can always date some men instead. That is the burden a Pedo faces. Still they must NEVER act on it, and it is never "normal."
But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing. Do you think they should be imprisoned?
OK, good point. But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing.
The Left Has A Pedophilia Problem
Just a reminder, that the Franklin Coverup scandal revealed deep networks across politics, law enforcement(local and federal), and CPS that went back to the 50's. But the particular party most directly involved were the Republicans.When it comes to pedophilia, they're all to blame.
Who else you are not allowed to criticize that most "white" people afraid to say a word about?
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says Who else you are not allowed to criticize that most "white" people afraid to say a word about? Jews?
HeadSet saysOK, good point. But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing.There is no such thing as a pedophile who doesn't rape children.
There is no such thing as a pedophile who doesn't rape children.Yes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.
There is no such thing as a pedophile who doesn't rape children.
NuttBoxer saysHeadSet saysOK, good point. But Pedos who do not molest are doing the right thing.There is no such thing as a pedophile who doesn't rape children.Yes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.
Yes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.
Yes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.Then they aren’t gay. Gay is the sex choices. If they don’t, they really aren’t right?
One can harbor gay wishes and fantasies to an intrusive level but be married to a woman for appearances and never act upon his gay desires.
richwicks saysYes there is, just like there's homosexuals that never have sex with men.That's called being straight. Whatever fucked up tendancies or abuse you're harboring, don't use it as justification for child rape
I've never jerked off in the shower with a bar of soap imagining myself being fucked by a guy
I have never, ever, had fantasies about having sex with a man, ever, in my life
Automan Empire saysOne can harbor gay wishes and fantasies to an intrusive level but be married to a woman for appearances and never act upon his gay desires.I think that's a point of disagreement.
Limiting gay is part of that stabilization, it must be curbed and prosecuted the same way rape is.
I have to take strident opposition to this position, and consider it tantamount to fighting words. Are you REALLY equivocating the doings of consenting adults in private with RAPE?
richwicks saysI have never, ever, had fantasies about having sex with a man, ever, in my lifeEh, I don't believe people who stress this, but neither am I going to judge. :P
Real hope, not hopium, in post above.
Part of the Media's flip out is they're trying to replace dying influence with amping the Snide Virtual Signalling and Nasty Rhetoric up to 11.
Automan Empire saysrichwicks saysI have never, ever, had fantasies about having sex with a man, ever, in my lifeEh, I don't believe people who stress this, but neither am I going to judge. :PI'm very serious.
I'm very serious.If it wasn't obvious, that was a lighthearted joke not a serious jab. (You're actually one of my favorite Patnet posters.) I'll be back after work hours to follow up on this good convo, but I'm seasonally swamped atm.
I'm very serious.
New Hampshire school district says football coach suspended student for saying there are 'only 2 genders'The student is suing the school for violating his right to free speech and religious beliefs
This is where we disagree, Richwicks. There is definitely a left/right, and the left has been the one pushing an agenda, and having it largely anti-democratically imposed.
There is a conflict between organic, Jeffersonian Libertarian Democracy and the Saint Just/Robespierrian Centralized, Hyperrational Equity & "Reason" "Democracy".
Noooooo! There's a left/right among us little peon morons. That is created to create conflict.
A "Right" authoritarian
CaptainHorsePaste saysA "Right" authoritarian"RIght authoritarian" is an oxymoron. The further right one goes, the less government one wants. Wanted to be left alone is not authoritarian.
Professor Who Defended Pedophiles Announces ResignationUSZachary Stieber Nov 25, 2021
https://www.ntd.com/professor-who-defended-pedophiles-announces-resignation_706226.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net Professor Who Defended Pedophiles Announces ResignationUSZachary Stieber Nov 25, 2021Good, but jail time would be better.
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