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Natural immunity is better than clot shot immunity by a factor of 27! (updated)

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Aug 16, 10:02am 672 views   46 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


(bullshit post from WHO claiming that clot shot is better than natural immunity deleted because it's such an outrageous lie)


Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
3h
The WHO just posted this on facebook. The WHO cite no peer reviewed papers, data or evidence. I am providing the FB link also.
facebook.com/WHO/posts/45675…

Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
2h
So anyone/scientist/politician/journalist who posts counter to this WHO narrative can now be labelled as a "dis-informer" and attacked by fact checkers. Think about that.
2:01 PM · Aug 16, 2021


https://nitter.database.red/RWMaloneMD/status/1427269201954234373#m

The level of lying by the WHO is nothing short of criminal.

The WHO is the single greatest threat to public health on earth.


Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at John Hopkins School of Medicine, during an appearance on The Vince Coglianese Show, said individuals formerly infected with COVID-19 are seven times more likely then vaccinated people to fight off the virus.

“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”

Makary said data from Israel revealed that natural immunity appears to be 6.7x more effective than being vaccinated when it comes to fighting off COVID-19.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM

(Update, see below. Natural immunity is actually better than the jab by a factor of 27. https://patrick.net/post/1340683?offset=0#comment-1777828 )

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1   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 16, 10:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Unbelievable - criminals.
3   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 16, 3:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


TrueNorth
@xwill100
8h
Replying to @RWMaloneMD
Washington U in St Louis, the Cleveland Clinic, Rockefeller U, Emory U and just yesterday CSH, BMJ and Yale have studies that lead to the opposite conclusion. Recovery from Covid confers broader and more durable protection. The WHO post is misinformation.
4   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 16, 3:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.
5   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 16, 3:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What kind of person would believe a vax could confer better immunity than God given?
6   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 16, 3:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A fatally naive person.
7   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 16, 3:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Update on my parents: Dad told me this morning he turned the corner on Covid. The only thing he has taken for Covid was Ivermectin, Tylenol and 1 IV (he was dehydrated). I just got off the phone with mom and she said she is feeling much better. All she has taken for Covid is HCQ, Mucinex and 1 IV. They are both 83 with many health issues. They are both VERY tired and LOW energy. I think they will have low energy for awhile yet.
8   Al_Sharpton_for_President   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 16, 3:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
“It appears that natural immunity is better against the Delta variant. When you get infected with COVID, your body’s immune system develops antibodies to the entire surface of the virus,” Makary said. “Not just the slight protein that the vaccines gives you, but the entire surface. And so you get a more diverse antibody portfolio in your system.”
Absolutely, the natural, non-attenuated virus vaccine is a much more complete immunogen, resulting in a much broader immune response. And not just antibodies, but T cells, also. The inferior gene therapy is narrowly synthetic resulting in a narrow immune response easily thwarted by a few mutations.
9   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://twitter.com/Leftylockdowns1/status/1426586586100158476#m


Jenin Younes (Leftylockdownskeptic)
@Leftylockdowns1
Aug 14
People who are pushing the vaccine should understand the denial of natural immunity is a major contributing factor in vaccine hesitancy. The denial is so contrary to the science that it makes people suspicious there is a greater agenda at play.
4:48 PM · Aug 14, 2021
10   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Paul D'Acri
@manraygun1
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1 @MartinKulldorff
More broadly, it's the one-size-fits-all vaccinate everybody payoff to Pharma with no regard for individual risk, age, obesity, etc.
11   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

SWLion
@swlion1371
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Well sure, that combined with 24×7 propaganda/censorship on a global scale. And mandates that if you don’t get jabbed, you will lose your job or your ability to travel, etc.
12   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

JoMama
@yojojomo
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Absolutely! And all of the hypocrisy. The open border, the parties, the photo ops, the deceptive data….None of it makes sense.


Well, it actually does all make sense in terms of profit for Pfizer.
13   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


H Johnson
@Pyr0sa
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1 @MartinKulldorff
If they would simply spend a SMALL percentage of their budgets on accurate (and just as tacked/verifiable) antibodies tests (i.e., "verified already had it, natural immunity in effect), then they'd eliminate a HUGE amount of hesitancy & distrust. TINY spend, small messaging add.
14   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


M Norrid
@MNorrid
Aug 14
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Even more suspicious is the censoring of scientists and doctors who advise against it or promote alternative drug therapeutics. Apparently vaccines also make one immune to authoritarian tendencies.
16   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


Soulwellness Coach
@HarbordUrsula
Aug 15
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Hesitant because of its licenced for emergency use only and lack of safety data. If they were serious about saving lives they would be using Ivermectin








https://bird-group.org/
17   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 18, 6:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


ALL the Things
@PhantomBreaking
Aug 15
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1
Exactly. If this were anything but a money grab, an antibody test card would be seen as equally valid as a vaccination card.
18   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 19, 11:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


College Baseball 365
@Stu_Murray1
Aug 17
The Delta “scare”, in perspective.

UK’s Official VoC Report (Aug 6; Table 5)

147,612 Delta infections in unvaccinated people < age 50

48 deaths

99.97% survival, if infected at all

And we need to vax everyone w/ unproven jabs?


https://twitter.com/Stu_Murray1/status/1427776018505510918#m
19   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 26, 12:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://twitter.com/MartinKulldorff/status/1430660291579105284#m

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1


In Israel, vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk of symptomatic COVID infection compared to those with natural immunity from prior COVID disease [95%CI:13-57, adjusted for time of vaccine/disease].
20   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 26, 12:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WineHorror1 says
Update on my parents: Dad told me this morning he turned the corner on Covid. The only thing he has taken for Covid was Ivermectin, Tylenol and 1 IV (he was dehydrated). I just got off the phone with mom and she said she is feeling much better. All she has taken for Covid is HCQ, Mucinex and 1 IV. They are both 83 with many health issues. They are both VERY tired and LOW energy. I think they will have low energy for awhile yet.

Keep an eye on them. Just don't let them get the vax if they haven't already. Digging up info as best I can, but a prominent family friend passed away this month who was mostly healthy. Overweight, not obese. About 72-73 I believe. Healthcare was never an issue, he had the money to pay the best for whatever needed to be done. I'm interested to find out if he got one of the vaccines.

I may never find out, but my tin foil hat has me going other directions. 50% of people have no wealth. The people with wealth are boomers, even if it's just 20% of them. But it's a lot of wealth. This guy was $100M plus. Besides the houses he was a normal guy if you saw him in the supermarket. I'm starting to think the younger tech wealthy are offing the older wealthy so people spend the money. Long shot theory, but part me thinks it makes sense. Kill off the old people that maybe travel to expensive hotels, houses and restaurants, and get that money back into the hands of people that will spend it across the economy beside recreation and housing. Would be a total liberal train of thought given the leanings of the younger tech giants.
21   Rin   ignore (9)   2021 Aug 26, 1:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
The level of lying by the WHO is nothing short of criminal.

The WHO is the single greatest threat to public health on earth.


No, they're just f*k_ing stupid, having forgotten all their undergrad immunology coursework.

They are the organizational version of the following geniuses ...

22   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 26, 11:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


Monica Gandhi MD, MPH
@MonicaGandhi9
18h
Since this is largest study of re-infection (albeit with the 3 week Pfizer vax which probably has lowest antibodies) and shows that natural immunity confers strong protection from re-infection (& 1 dose helps), US at this point needs to consider immunity rather than vax passports
12:01 PM · Aug 26, 2021
23   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Aug 26, 11:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
US at this point needs to consider immunity rather than vax passports


As if the passports have ANYTHING to do with the disease.
24   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 14, 9:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101/rr-0


Vaccinating people who have had covid-19: why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? ...

In contrast to this collective data demonstrating both adequate and long-lasting protection in those who have recovered from COVID-19, the duration of vaccine-induced immunity is not fully known - but breakthrough infections in Israel, Iceland and in the US suggests a few months. Before CDC decided to stop collecting data on all breakthrough infections at the end of April, 2021, it reported >10,000 breakthrough infections (2 weeks after completion of vaccination) in the US, with a mortality of ~2% (6). Booster COVID vaccine recommendations have been already announced in Israel and in the US proving vaccine failure within 6 months.

How should we use the collective data to prioritize vaccination? These new data support simple and logical concepts. The goal of vaccination is to generate memory cells that can recognize SARS-CoV-2 and rapidly generate neutralizing antibodies that either prevent or mitigate both infection and transmission. Those who have survived COVID-19 must almost by definition have mounted an effective immune response; it is not surprising that the evolving literature shows that prior infection decreases vulnerability. In our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.
25   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 17, 9:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-covid-natural-immunity/


09/14/21

BIG PHARMA › VIEWS

Vaccinating People Who Have Had COVID-19: Why Doesn’t Natural Immunity Count in the U.S.?
The CDC estimates that SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 100 million Americans, and evidence is mounting that natural immunity is at least as protective as vaccination. Yet public health leadership says everyone needs the vaccine.
26   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 23, 1:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.ntd.com/unvaccinated-brazilian-president-eats-pizza-on-nyc-sidewalk-defends-pandemic-decisions_679689.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

Some are criticizing Bolsonaro for not being vaccinated and for not locking Brazil down during the pandemic. The country, with over 200 million people, has not seen a single major lockdown since the start of the pandemic.

In a recent interview, he explained his decision.

“I said we have two problems we have to face: the virus, which can kill, and also unemployment, which can also kill,” said Bolsonaro.

He says Brazil is a rather poor country, and if people don’t go to work, they can’t eat.

According to Johns Hopkins, Brazil has one of the highest numbers of COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people. But its neighbor Argentina has almost the same numbers—and Argentina has been under lockdowns ever since the pandemic started.

To deal with the dangers of COVID-19, Bolsonaro believes in early treatment for the virus.

“I have come to the conclusion, together with many doctors, that if used early, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin can help to prevent or cure COVID,” Bolsonaro said.

He added that his antibody levels remain high because he had the virus before, so he has no need to get the shot.


Bolsonaro is absolutely right that he has no need whatsoever to get the shot. Natural immunity is far better than that from the vaxx.
27   porkchopexpress   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 23, 6:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bolsonaro must be a patnetter
28   Rin   ignore (9)   2021 Sep 23, 7:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There is no natural immunity!

All of us are dead, dead from the common cold, because our bodies failed to clear the infection years ago.

In effect, we're living in the '6th Sense' movie, we're dead but don't know it.

Where's Haley Joel Osment when we need him?
29   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Sep 23, 8:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
https://www.ntd.com/unvaccinated-brazilian-president-eats-pizza-on-nyc-sidewalk-defends-pandemic-decisions_679689.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

Some are criticizing Bolsonaro for not being vaccinated and for not locking Brazil down during the pandemic. The country, with over 200 million people, has not seen a single major lockdown since the start of the pandemic.

In a recent interview, he explained his decision.

“I said we have two problems we have to face: the virus, which can kill, and also unemployment, which can also kill,” said Bolsonaro.

He says Brazil is a rather poor country, and if people don’t go to work, they can’t eat.

According to Joh...

What the hell took him and his Drs. so long to figure out they should start using HCQ and Ivermectin? Can we keep track of their Covid cases, deaths and hospitalizations now? Maybe they will have the same success as India?
30   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 23, 11:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Brazil is looking pretty good:



Anyone know if/when they started using ivermectin on the general public?
31   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 23, 11:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ah, here it is:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/


Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified. ...

Further data supporting a role of ivermectin in decreasing transmission rates can be found from South American countries where, in retrospect, large “natural experiments” seem to have occurred. For instance, beginning as early as May, various regional health ministries and governmental authorities within Peru, Brazil, and Paraguay initiated “ivermectin distribution” campaigns to their citizen populations.48 In one such example from Brazil, the cities of Itajai, Macapa, and Natal distributed massive amounts of ivermectin doses to their city's population, where in the case of Natal, 1 million doses were distributed. The distribution campaign of Itajai began in mid-July, in Natal they began on June 30th, and in Macapa, the capital city of Amapa and others nearby, they incorporated ivermectin into their treatment protocols in late May after they were particularly hard hit in April. The data in Table ​Table11 were obtained from the official Brazilian government site and the national press consortium and show large decreases in case counts in the 3 cities soon after distribution began compared with their neighboring cities without such campaigns.
32   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Sep 24, 6:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
In our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.

Let's have a Covid party where we can get infected naturally! Anyone know anyone that has it and wants to go out for a beer?
33   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Sep 24, 7:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Patrick says
In our view, the data suggest that people confirmed to have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not need vaccination. We should not be debating the implications of prior infection; we should be debating how to confirm prior infection.

Let's have a Covid party where we can get infected naturally! Anyone know anyone that has it and wants to go out for a beer?

You got big balls.
34   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 29, 9:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/MattWalshBlog/status/1442695304906694658#m


Matt Walsh
@MattWalshBlog
Sep 28
I have never heard anyone actually explain why people with natural immunity ought to get vaccinated when they already have better immunity than the vaccine affords. Is it just to be a team player? Is that why they should be compelled to inject something into their bodies?
3:38 AM · Sep 28, 2021
35   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 29, 9:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Let's have a Covid party where we can get infected naturally! Anyone know anyone that has it and wants to go out for a beer?


I've heard that students actually do this.
36   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 29, 9:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Is it so unreasonable? For kids, the risk of any serious complication from Fauci Flu is lower than that of ordinary flu:

https://health.wusf.usf.edu/health-news-florida/2020-08-21/politifact-check-desantis-says-covid-lower-risk-than-flu-for-kids

I would think the rates would again be similar for the college age crowd.
37   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 29, 2:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Matt Walsh:I have never heard anyone actually explain why people with natural immunity ought to get vaccinated when they already have better immunity than the vaccine affords. Is it just to be a team player?


To be clear, the Israeli study that definitively showed the superiority of natural immunity to the vaccines also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.
38   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 29, 2:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says
Patrick says
Matt Walsh:I have never heard anyone actually explain why people with natural immunity ought to get vaccinated when they already have better immunity than the vaccine affords. Is it just to be a team player?


To be clear, the Israeli study that definitively showed the superiority of natural immunity to the vaccines also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated.


That's bull since they just measure the antibodies which don't tell the whole story such as downregulation of innate immune responses and increase risk of ADE plus another immune trauma.The jab will make things much worse for the recovered. There isn't a single viral disease where vaccination is indicated following a full natural recovery
39   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 29, 3:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
That's bull since they just measure the antibodies

No, from the the Israeli study (see PDF page 14):
In model 3, we matched 14,029 persons. Baseline characteristics of the groups are presented in Table 1b. Examining previously infected individuals to those who were both previously infected and received a single dose of the vaccine, we found that the latter group had a significant 0.53-fold (95% CI, 0.3 to 0.92) (Table 4a) decreased risk for reinfection, as 20 had a positive RT-PCR test, compared to 37 in the previously infected and unvaccinated group.
I agree that we shouldn't be forcing folks who have natural immunity to get a jab, the fact of the matter is that it does accrue an additional benefit.
40   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 29, 3:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says
mell says
That's bull since they just measure the antibodies

No, from the the Israeli study (see PDF page 14):
In model 3, we matched 14,029 persons. Baseline characteristics of the groups are presented in Table 1b. Examining previously infected individuals to those who were both previously infected and received a single dose of the vaccine, we found that the latter group had a significant 0.53-fold (95% CI, 0.3 to 0.92) (Table 4a) decreased risk for reinfection, as 20 had a positive RT-PCR test, compared to 37 in the previously infected and unvaccinated group.
I agree that we shouldn't be forcing folks who have natural immunity to get a jab, the fact of the matter is that it does accrue an additional benefit.


So reinfection is determined by a positive pcr test? Apart from pcr being unreliable they don't detect illness just presence of viral frgaments. Many viruses that the body fought off during the acute phase don't fully vanish and occasionally reactivate, usually without symptoms. You can amp up the antibodies to avoid and detectable reinfection or reactivation but it doesn't mean it's a good thing for one's overall health. A mild reinfection is likely much healthier.

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