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I think Bidet was 100% right to leave Afghanistan!!!

By Bd6r follow Bd6r   2021 Aug 17, 11:39am 988 views   103 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


We can criticize him for implementation, but he did what has to be done. Obama did not want to leave, Trump tried but could not, now Biden did it finally.

A few tidbits of information - first, Ron Paul predicting in 2010 that we will be another 10 years in Afghanistan:

https://www.videoclip.bg/watch/1374450

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64   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 17, 6:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Huh, that could be it.

But I was under the impression that most opiates these days were synthetic, not from poppies at all anymore.
65   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 17, 6:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Staying in Afghanistan beyond the dubious "Capture Bin Laden" mission was the shit show. It positively amazes me how many Republicans I've known since before the war started, who were all gung-ho to go, and all gung-ho to stay, are now critical of Biden and blaming him for the entire debacle.

All the way from the beginning "The Left" (to lump together everyone opposed to the war, which Republicans were nearly unanimously for) critics have been making the same critiques I'm hearing right wingers state sanctimoniously. I'm also pretty tired of the "DeMoCrAtS VoTeD FoR tHe WaR ToO!!!!!!" We KNEW the Yellowcake Uranium and WMD claims were bullshit, and we KNEW that Afghanistan couldn't be united into a country it never was before. We KNEW it drove the Soviets to bankruptcy and withdrawal, and we KNEW the same would happen to America. BUT... We put aside our doubts and partisanship, and put our trust in the President saying war was necessary to protect America. Of course, it WAS bullshit, but did Republicans ever acknowledge this about the war THEY hawked for? No, they've been trying to recon the situation into making the Democrats and entire American left share the blame and guilt that Republicans won't accept for their beliefs and behavior.

As of the 2012 election, Biden himself was advocating to hand the country back to the troops we trained, while the official Republican position was to ignore the sunk cost fallacy, jump into the hole they dug, and dig deeper at American taxpayer/American soldier expense. This songified version of the VP debate is a fun watch in its own right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksXRFRCUatc
66   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 17, 6:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kind of Reminds me when the Democrats whinged that Middle Eastern nationals would be profiled and worked with Bush to prevent it. Now the Dem WH-Congress actively profiles, from the Military to FBI they control, American Born White Males with gusto. After decades of apologizing for radical groups from MOVE to the Weathermen to Antifa and BLM, the Democrats now cast a peaceful protest on 1/6 as the worst terror attack on US soil since the Civil War. Forgetting all about BLM-enabler Clinton-released Susan Rosenberg's BOMBING of the Senate in the 80s.

The two signs the Media is complete Pravda:
1. Not even a token voice of opposition (UNLIKE the Iraq War where Meathead, Garofalo, and others were present on almost every broadcast before, during, and after the invasion)
2. No comparing events at all (ie 84 Senate Bombing to 1/6, or the BLM-Antifa nightly "Mostly Peaceful" firebombing of Churches, Stores, then police stations and Federal Courthouses to Old Guys and Gals walking around the Capitol).

Oh, and a big third:
"Political Speech is the MOST Protected Speech" has become "Eliminate Misleading* Narratives"

* Misleading = Narratives that Lead Away from MY preferred conclusions.
67   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 17, 7:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
No, they've been trying to recon the situation into making the Democrats and entire American left share the blame and guilt that Republicans won't accept for their beliefs and behavior.


What.

Is this what the rank and file Joe Blow Republican is saying, or is this what the NEWS media is saying? I find the rank and file is very often strawmanned.

I would't have considered myself a "republican" much less a "conservative" under George W. Bush's reign of terror, but I didn't consider myself a "leftist" or a "democrat" under Obama's new reign of terror. Those two are hands down the worst presidents in my lifetime. Far worse than Nixon of Jimmy Carter. Worse than Clinton. Biden doesn't seem any different or better than Bush or Obama though, but he's got 3 1/2 years to go.
68   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 17, 7:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

gabbar says
I think we are probably being misled by the "withdrawal".

This is probably factual. I heard yesterday that my 2nd cousin was deployed to the region yesterday. Something is cooking.
69   SumatraBosch   ignore (9)   2021 Aug 17, 7:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Wait until Kabul is filled with Taliban!

AND FUCKING NUKE IT!
70   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Aug 17, 7:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BoomAndBustCycle says
the January 6th capital attack.

What attack?

The "Insurrectionists" were ushered in.
71   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2021 Aug 17, 7:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BoomAndBustCycle says
WookieMan says
We were right to leave, but this mindset fails most of the time. 80/20 rule. 20% will do the work while the other 80% fuck off. You piss off the productive people by managing this way. Cause burn out and ultimately more time, money and employees leaving.


I was speaking more from the standpoint of “fair warning”… not springing weekend work on employees on Friday before. But saying … 2 weeks out we are going to be busy.. be prepared to work weekends. Biden didn’t really prepare Americans for the shitshow we saw on the news. That’s my complaint, that’s my bad management critique.

Failure of leadership either way. Not being prepped two days or weeks before something you know is coming is the definition of failure. You’re already behind at either point. You need contingency plans a month out. Be prepared to hire more people. Use a vendor that can get what you need.

Business is not complicated. When I go to a job I’ve got 6 batteries and 5 SD cards for 30-40 minutes of flight time. I could go non-stop with that gear for 12-18 hours no problem.

You prepare. You don’t work weekends or extra hours if you’re intelligent. I’d get a new job in you have managers that behave that way. They’re idiots. Biden is an idiot as shown. Most people agree.
72   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 17, 8:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Are terrorists so stupid

YES they are. Their training is memorizing 1300 year old tests in madrasses.
73   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 17, 8:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
Dollars to donuts the US is just going to start another goddamned useless war.

income from vaccinations! might be sufficient for enriching our rulers.
74   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Aug 17, 8:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bd6r says
richwicks says
Dollars to donuts the US is just going to start another goddamned useless war.

income from vaccinations! might be sufficient for enriching our rulers.

The war against the invisible enemy is perfect! No collateral damage! People will die but collateral is not damaged!
75   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 17, 9:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
The war against the invisible enemy is perfect! No collateral damage! People will die but collateral is not damaged!

AND IT ALL IS DONE TO SAVE CHILDREN!
76   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 17, 9:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
I don't think that "he" got us out at all.

I think the Taliban got us out.


I know you are not advocating for violence and extremism and neither am I. But if armed militants from the Taliban expelled a more powerful invader armed with nuclear weapons and F-15 fighter jets then Bidet is full of shit. In other word, the second Amendment was implemented to insure the rest of the bill of rights would be protected.
77   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Aug 17, 9:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bd6r says

AND IT ALL IS DONE TO SAVE CHILDREN!

Yeah, They already killed Grandma.
78   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Aug 17, 9:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PeopleUnited says
I know you are not advocating for violence and extremism and neither am I. But if armed militants from the Taliban expelled a more powerful invader armed with nuclear weapons and F-15 fighter jets then Bidet is full of shit. In other word, the second Amendment was implemented to insure the rest of the bill of rights would be protected.

I know some former "operators" (special forces that "worked" in Afghanistan) that are really pissed right now.

Go try and take their guns, I dare you.
79   BoomAndBustCycle   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 17, 10:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WookieMan says
You prepare. You don’t work weekends or extra hours if you’re intelligent. I’d get a new job in you have managers that behave that way. They’re idiots. Biden is an idiot as shown. Most people agree.


So Elon Musk asking people to work weekends for his space x launch or Tesla ramp up is because he’s not intelligent or just a bad manager?
80   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 18, 2:06am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I bet he pinched his nipple, too.

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/30110
82   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 18, 2:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It doesn't matter if the Taliban kill them, they will still vote....again, and again, and again.
https://t.me/WeTheMedia/30132
83   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2021 Aug 18, 8:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BoomAndBustCycle says
So Elon Musk asking people to work weekends for his space x launch or Tesla ramp up is because he’s not intelligent or just a bad manager?

Yup. 100% piss poor management. If you set a date and need overtime, you weren't smart enough to prepare. The classic over promise and fail to deliver. Business owners do it all the time out of fear of losing revenue. When they don't deliver, they end up losing more revenue instead of just being realistic and honest. I've ran a business and my own personal business quite successfully. I interact with the over promising people all the time and I can spot them a mile away. I avoid them like the plague as I know it would have hurt my business.

Musk could likely be even more successful if he just picked a lane. The guy is smart, but Tesla has had massive issues in the past with production. Took them years to get it normalized. I don't follow Tesla, but I still believe it's a problem. All his wealth is in what financial institutions, pensions, public shareholders, etc think Tesla is worth. It doesn't mean he's doing a good job. When institutions are throwing money at you, it's a lot easier. Doesn't mean he's a good leader, but probably a good salesman.
84   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2021 Aug 18, 8:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BoomAndBustCycle says
So Elon Musk asking people to work weekends for his space x launch or Tesla ramp up is because he’s not intelligent or just a bad manager?


I'll go with the latter.
86   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2021 Sep 3, 2:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
I agree with you @FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut

Our most important problems right now are:

1. not getting stabbed with the jab
2. not being threatened with job loss by the Biden administration's DOJ for refusing to submit to the jab (well, not my problem anymore, but for many millions, it's HUGE)
3. lockdowns that just cause suffering for no scientific reason

Normalization of sodomy and pedophilia is a huge country-weakening disaster as well, but first we have to escape from Fauci/Biden's death-needles.


much agreed
87   Dugan   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 3, 5:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Biden reads what’s put in front of him. He is the press and those that run the planet. When it becomes obvious he is a screw up they will remove his cap, dispose of him and place the hat on a new head who will fool the people for a spell.

He can’t remember when he left Afghanistan it was not left to the Taliban but to the president and his 300k soldiers who would run the country being as good as any soldiers on the planet. For two days at least. No mention of this in his address a few days ago.

Now the Taliban have the country, that was not part of his plan but those people who run things. Now they run the planet through China more than the US. This is obvious now. What and which countries benefit China will dominate, regardless what Biden says. I look at what I see happening, not what I am told by television.

Invest accordingly.
88   Misc   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 4, 9:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ok, any guesses on the number of deaths caused by starvation, warring between factions this will cause and the number of refugees fleeing a shithole going on full meltdown?


The humanitarian crisis is going to be monumental. We could have prevented all this by keeping a few thousand troops in Afghanistan.

My guess is a few million Afghans die outright over the next 5 years or so with 10 million displaced.
89   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 4, 9:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Misc says
The humanitarian crisis is going to be monumental. We could have prevented all this by keeping a few thousand troops in Afghanistan.


Was not sustainable, besides the powers that be probably know they will need them at home. After all the great leader of the Bidet regime was installed behind a barbed wire fence surrounded by 20,000 soldiers. How many is it going to take to keep the peace when the food or fuel shortages start to become severe?
90   Misc   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 4, 9:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PeopleUnited says
Misc says
The humanitarian crisis is going to be monumental. We could have prevented all this by keeping a few thousand troops in Afghanistan.


Was not sustainable, besides the powers that be probably know they will need them at home. After all the great leader of the Bidet regime was installed behind a barbed wire fence surrounded by 20,000 soldiers. How many is it going to take to keep the peace when the food or fuel shortages start to become severe?


Of course it was sustainable. We were there for 20 years, mostly with just a handful of troops.

You think waaaaaaaaay too highly of Americans to protest anything. During the Housing Bubble we had 8 million foreclosures over just a few years.. At 3 residents per dwelling that's about 24 million people. Double that for the number of renters impacted, and we economically displaced about 50 million people in the most heavily armed country in the world. The number of people protesting with firearms could be counted on a single hand.
91   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Sep 4, 9:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BoomAndBustCycle says
Patrick says
Are terrorists so stupid that they always alienate the majority and let the real criminals live in peace? It doesn't add up.


Have to admit… that’s why I had some respect for the January 6th capital attack. Atleast they went after the source of the problem… the people they were angry with and didn’t take it out on civilians.


If they actually knew the source of the problem, they would have burned down the Federal Reserve.
92   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2021 Sep 4, 9:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PeopleUnited says
gabbar says
I think we are probably being misled by the "withdrawal".

This is probably factual. I heard yesterday that my 2nd cousin was deployed to the region yesterday. Something is cooking.


Some of our relatives deploying next month. Those orders we knew for a while now. Some shit is happening. Deploying to Kuwait.
93   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Sep 4, 10:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fortwaynemobile says
PeopleUnited says
gabbar says
I think we are probably being misled by the "withdrawal".

This is probably factual. I heard yesterday that my 2nd cousin was deployed to the region yesterday. Something is cooking.


Some of our relatives deploying next month. Those orders we knew for a while now. Some shit is happening. Deploying to Kuwait.


Iran possibly. It's madness of course, but it's been madness for 20 years.
94   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 5, 11:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Misc says
Of course it was sustainable. We were there for 20 years, mostly with just a handful of troops.


How many dead and wounded? How much money spent? That is what unsustainable means.

And regarding the need for troops at home, when fuel and food supplies run out, there won’t be protests, there will be survival of the fittest, and perhaps only the military will be able to prevent anarchy. But seeing as how we have anarchy to a small degree already in Chicago and other major dem cities civilization seems ready to disintegrate.
95   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Sep 5, 12:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PeopleUnited says
But seeing as how we have anarchy to a small degree already in Chicago and other major dem cities

Not one politician has had an angry crowd take them out. In fact, those Chicago and blue city politicians will not even be voted out.
96   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Sep 5, 12:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PeopleUnited says
the powers that be probably know they will need them at home. After all the great leader of the Bidet regime was installed behind a barbed wire fence surrounded by 20,000 soldiers. How many is it going to take to keep the peace when the food or fuel shortages start to become severe?

The soldiers are US.

When our government asks our soldiers to fire on US, they have lost all credibility.

Our soldiers won't shoot us because they are us.
97   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Sep 5, 1:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Our soldiers won't shoot us because they are us.

You are talking like the elites were not able to do a plandemic, and then get the cooperation of government agencies, employers, schools and college officials, and many in the general public to force mask and vax mandates. The soldiers need not "fire" on fellow Americans. The soldiers will just be told to stand down along with the police while Antifa, BLM and other Brownshirts do the thuggery. And how did Hitler get Germans who had lived as neighbors for centuries with Jews to go along with the Holocaust? Serbs and Croats suddenly murdering each other. Hutu and Tutsi. You do not think a bunch of blue state Guardsman will not be sent to a red state to fire on a heavily vilified MAGA and unvaxxed crowd?
98   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 5, 4:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PeopleUnited says
But seeing as how we have anarchy to a small degree already in Chicago and other major dem cities


I've thought this many times while driving through Detroit or through the black parts of Chicago.

Civilization is not really a thing in those places. I've seen people building fires in the middle of the street in Chicago, or just passive-aggressively standing in the street so that you have to drive around them in Detroit. Some black guy in Seattle pulled out a large knife in front of me and held it up, just for effect I guess. Saw a shooting on the highway just outside Detroit, two black guys with some traffic dispute.

There were black kids dropping cinderblocks on passing cars from overpasses in Detroit until they put chain link fences totally over the overpass, and once they dropped a bowling ball on a guy on the highway beneath, and it took off his head as he drove through at 65 mph.
99   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 5, 6:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
PeopleUnited says
But seeing as how we have anarchy to a small degree already in Chicago and other major dem cities

Not one politician has had an angry crowd take them out. In fact, those Chicago and blue city politicians will not even be voted out.


That is because the crowd is more civilized than the politicians, but I am not talking about crowds and politicians. I am saying that when the food supply runs out, when fuel runs out and or when the power/water goes down you will have anarchy and the military will likely be called on to restore order. Look at the looting in New Orleans and BLM, and multiply by 1000.
100   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 5, 7:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Civilization is not really a thing in those places.


Neither was it during the BLM riots. Expect more of the same when the next crisis/opportunity presents itself. Could be a natural disaster, could be a breakdown in food or energy, could be a black swan we could not even anticipate but the thing we call civilization is a fragile thing, perhaps not even a reality but rather a shared delusion. For example how could Catholic and Protestant majority Germany allow psychopaths to take over their country and turn it into a death and slavery factory? Our generation is facing a 1930’s style power play on a global scale. Who does stand in their way, and what will happen when the restrainer is removed and God allows the unbelievers to have their way?

https://www.raptureready.com/
101   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 5, 7:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Our soldiers won't shoot us because they are us.


Tell that to the millions of German executed and incinerated by their government. Those who forget history are doomed to relive it.
102   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2021 Sep 6, 9:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PeopleUnited says
Onvacation says
Our soldiers won't shoot us because they are us.


Tell that to the millions of German executed and incinerated by their government. Those who forget history are doomed to relive it.


Or look at Australia today…
103   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 6, 2:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PeopleUnited says
Onvacation says
Our soldiers won't shoot us because they are us.


Tell that to the millions of German executed and incinerated by their government. Those who forget history are doomed to relive it.


The White Rose is a well-known example of the Germans executing their own citizens for dissent.

White Rose, German anti-Nazi group formed in Munich in 1942. Unlike the conspirators of the July Plot (1944) or participants in such youth gangs as the Edelweiss Pirates, the members of the White Rose advocated nonviolent resistance as a means of opposing the Nazi regime.

Three of the group’s founding members—Hans Scholl, Willi Graf, and Alexander Schmorell—were medical students at the University of Munich. While on the Eastern Front, the trio observed the murder of Jewish civilians by SS troops. When they returned to Munich, the three joined with other students—including Hans’s sister Sophie—to discuss their opposition to the Nazi regime. ...

The first of those leaflets, published in June 1942, quoted liberally from the works of Friedrich Schiller and Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, and it advocated passive resistance to the Nazi war effort. The first White Rose essay concluded with the statement, “Do not forget that every nation deserves the government that it endures.” Using addresses obtained from a telephone directory, the leaflets were mailed to individuals across Munich. Five more leaflets followed over the next eight months, and the Gestapo became increasingly concerned about the potential threat posed by them. By early 1943, members of the White Rose were scattering leaflets by hand, and they began an anti-Nazi graffiti campaign, painting “Freedom” and “Down with Hitler” on buildings throughout Munich.

Those actions increased the risk faced by the students, and on February 18, 1943, a Nazi party member observed Hans and Sophie throwing leaflets from a University of Munich classroom building. They were arrested that day, and an investigation uncovered the participation of Christoph Probst, a fellow University of Munich medical student, in the White Rose. The Scholls and Probst were quickly tried, and the three were beheaded on February 22, 1943. In the months that followed, dozens were imprisoned for their (real or imagined) connections to the White Rose, and some, including Graf and Schmorell, were executed.


https://www.britannica.com/topic/White-Rose

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