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Afghan chaos undercuts Biden's promise of competence

By RWSGFY follow RWSGFY   2021 Aug 18, 2:48pm 3,180 views   332 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      







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The shambolic unravelling of America's withdrawal from Afghanistan comes from a yet to be written textbook of "how to lose at everything". Warnings hadn't been heeded, intelligence was clearly totally inadequate, planning was lamentable, execution woeful.

Let's just focus in on one thing - although there are any number that are worthy of examination.
The withdrawal came during the "fighting season" - a phrase I have to say I have always found rather odd. But in Afghanistan there is a fighting season which starts in spring - and then in winter, when the country freezes over, there is a time when the Taliban go home to their tribal homelands. Did no-one think that it might have been better to have ordered the withdrawal for the dead of winter when Taliban forces weren't there, poised to fill the vacuum?

The end result might have been the same - a Taliban takeover - but it would have almost certainly led to a more orderly drawdown. Yet the Biden administration wanted an eye-catching date. They wanted the withdrawal completed by 11 September. Twenty years on from 9/11 - an artificial, self-imposed deadline.

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Biden's election campaign could be boiled down to three messages to distinguish himself from Donald Trump. First, he would be more empathetic. He would be more competent. And instead of "America First", it would be replaced by the mantra "America is back".
But in his address yesterday, there wasn't a whole lot of empathy towards the thousands of Afghans who've helped Americans these past 20 years. On competence, even his biggest cheerleaders would struggle to say the withdrawal of American troops has been anything other than shambolic.
And after the bewildering events of the past few days, how exactly is America back?

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But on the policy itself, Joe Biden is utterly defiant. He summoned up his inner Harry Truman and made clear in his speech that the buck stops with him. He was, however, happy to distribute blame in much the same way that a muck spreader disperses manure in all directions. The Afghan leadership weren't up to it, the Afghan armed forces had no fight in them; Donald Trump had negotiated a bad deal.

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A fascinating nugget from a briefing that's just been given by Joe Biden's National Security Adviser. Since the fall of Kabul, Jake Sullivan revealed, Biden hadn't spoken to another world leader. Wasn't that just a bit surprising, given that there were a lot of other nations - including Britain - who'd committed vast resources to Afghanistan?

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When the G7 gathered in Cornwall and the Nato nations met in Brussels the sense of relief was palpable among the prime ministers and presidents that a more outward looking American president was in charge. But given what has unfolded - how America has been humiliated, how Joe Biden embarked on a policy he was cautioned against by these leaders - there is now a good deal more wariness.
And who will feel they have gained most from America's departure - apart from the Taliban, of course? Why, three countries near Afghanistan - Russia, Iran and China. I'm not sure that is what Joe Biden had in mind when he said after his inauguration that "America is back".



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58252174?source=patrick.net

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1   RWSGFY   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 18, 2:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

FuckCCP89 says
Yet the Biden administration wanted an eye-catching date. They wanted the withdrawal completed by 11 September. Twenty years on from 9/11 - an artificial, self-imposed deadline.


Soviet leaders were famous for wanting things done by some symbolic date (like Nov 7th or May 1st), costs in blood and treasure be damned.
2   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 18, 3:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

I think that is the only time I have ever seen 'Biden' and the word 'competence' in the same sentence.
4   Patrick   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 18, 5:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

FuckCCP89 says
Soviet leaders were famous for wanting things done by some symbolic date (like Nov 7th or May 1st), costs in blood and treasure be damned.



Soviet Cosmonaut Komarov knew they were rushing his flight to look good by some certain date, so he got a public promise of an open casket funeral iirc.

And he was right.



America is turning into just that kind of crispy charcoal under the Bidet administration.
5   GreaterNYCDude   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 18, 8:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

CIA wold Factbook page has not yet been updated

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/afghanistan/

The Taliban remains a serious challenge for the Afghan Government in almost every province. The Taliban still considers itself the rightful government of Afghanistan, and it remains a capable and confident insurgent force fighting for the withdrawal of foreign military forces from Afghanistan, establishment of sharia law, and rewriting of the Afghan constitution. In 2019, negotiations between the US and the Taliban in Doha entered their highest level yet, building on momentum that began in late 2018. Underlying the negotiations is the unsettled state of Afghan politics, and prospects for a sustainable political settlement remain unclear.


Biden should have seen this comming. The chances of a Taliban takeover should not have been a surprise. If they truly planed for evey contingency, one of them should have been... what if things fall apart overnight? Now they [poloticians] are already rewriting history framing this Talabain takeover as inevitable, and only debating the speed at which it occurred.
6   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Aug 18, 8:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

GreaterNYCDude says
CIA wold Factbook


CIA? They are the biggest fucking liars and traitors of this nation.

If they told the truth, it was entirely by accident. These mother fuckers just overthrew our nation last year. They are why Biden, a senile blatantly corrupt pedophile is our "president".

Fuck them.

Cocaine Importation Agency? They are the COIA - Cocaine and Opium Importation Agency. They are the biggest fucking traitors this nation has seen as a group. They are a complete mafia. And let's not forget, I'm a "terrorist" because I recognize this fucking complete obvious fact. Not being a moron makes me a danger to the people of this nation - according to them. That's what these pig fuckers claim.

They're scum. Ignore anything they say.
11   Patrick   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 20, 6:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

https://ground.news/article/this-is-the-strategy-more-lying-wh-comms-director-kate-bedingfield-claims-repeatedly-that-joe-biden-never-shies-away-from-taking-questions

White House communications director says Biden 'never shies away from taking questions,' one day after he refused to take questions
12   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 20, 7:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

richwicks says
CIA? They are the biggest fucking liars and traitors of this nation.

YUP.

Starting with Donovan, the OSS head regarded as the 'founder' of the CIA.

That MFer gave back a codebook to the Soviets an agent picked up for a song from a Finnish Source. Agreed to have his agents 'check in' in the Balkans about what they were doing with the Soviets - for no quid pro quo. Gave them carte blanche in West Germany for no quid pro quo in East Germany. And much, much more.

Gotta pimp "Target Patton" by R. Wilcox again.
13   Patrick   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 20, 9:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

https://nypost.com/2021/03/08/biden-seems-to-forget-defense-secretarys-name/


President Biden on Monday seemed to forget Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s name at a White House event — calling the Pentagon chief “the guy who runs that outfit over there.”

Biden was announcing the nomination of two female generals to lead US military combatant commands.

“And I want to thank the sec — the, the, ah former general. I keep calling him general, but my, my — the guy who runs that outfit over there,” Biden said.
18   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Aug 22, 2:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

Patrick says




Hasn't it been common knowledge for months that Joe Biden always reads from teleprompters, notes, and even uses an ear piece to be given directions? Who doesn't know this by now?
21   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 24, 10:38am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

Can't we just keep a few opium plantations open for the Rockefellers? It's so useful for keeping the trafficked children sedated? Pretty please? We also need the cash flow to keep up the bribes to destroy the USA.

https://t.me/The_Library_II/51044
22   Eric Holder   ignore (2)   2021 Aug 24, 1:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

President Biden’s “surrender to the Taliban is now complete,” former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R) declared Tuesday after the president agreed to stick to what many say is an unrealistic August 31 deadline to evacuate Americans from Afghanistan after the jihadist organization said there will be “no extensions.”

“Biden’s surrender to the Taliban is now complete. He will leave Afghanistan on the Taliban time table even if it leaves Americans and allies stranded in the country,” Gingrich said.

“His humiliation and failure is now complete,” he continued, describing the situation as the “worst moral collapse by an American President in our history”
23   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 24, 1:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

Eric Holder says
He will leave Afghanistan on the Taliban time table even if it leaves Americans and allies stranded in the country,


Good thing he didn't stick to the Trump timetable and evacuate by the end of last April.
24   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 24, 2:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

Automan Empire says
Eric Holder says
He will leave Afghanistan on the Taliban time table even if it leaves Americans and allies stranded in the country,


Good thing he didn't stick to the Trump timetable and evacuate by the end of last April.


You know Trump would have succeeded and the Taliban would have stayed put until the last American had been transferred, and even after that they would have been very covert with any aggression against their folks, cause Trump draws clear red lines in the sand, unlike obummer or xiden.
25   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Aug 24, 3:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

Eric Holder says
“His humiliation and failure is now complete,” he continued, describing the situation as the “worst moral collapse by an American President in our history”


The worst moral collapse of the United States was 9/11, lying us into Iraq over a weapons of mass destruction program that didn't exist, voting the Patriot Act into law when NOBODY that signed that into law actually read it, and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.
26   RWSGFY   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 24, 3:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

mell says
Trump draws clear red lines in the sand, unlike obummer or xiden.


Yep. General Chopped Salami can attest to the above.
27   RWSGFY   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 24, 3:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

Automan Empire says
Good thing he didn't stick to the Trump timetable and evacuate by the end of last April.


Evacuating by end of April is smart because no fighting season. Evacuating by arbitrary date in fucking September is stupid because fighting season. Duh!

Shall we delve into smart vs stupid wrt sequence of evacuating civilians, abandoning air bases and withdrawing ground units next?
28   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 24, 4:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

mell says
You know Trump would have succeeded and the Taliban would have stayed put until the last American had been transferred


He had 4 years in office, and didn't even TRY to end the Afghanistan debacle and pull out. I hope you're not one of the "DeMoCrAtS VoTeD FoR ThE wAr ToO" hypocrites on top of believing the above fantasy has any relevance.
29   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 24, 6:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

Automan Empire says
mell says
You know Trump would have succeeded and the Taliban would have stayed put until the last American had been transferred


He had 4 years in office, and didn't even TRY to end the Afghanistan debacle and pull out. I hope you're not one of the "DeMoCrAtS VoTeD FoR ThE wAr ToO" hypocrites on top of believing the above fantasy has any relevance.


He was in the process of pulling out, but then the demonrats colluded with the !covid! sheisters and unleashed potentially one of the biggest election scams in history. I'm confident Trump would have pulled out successfully, he overall has a pretty good track record with results. I have some beef with him (e.g. his "vaxxine" peddling), but his foreign policy was excellent.
30   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 24, 8:42pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote          

mell says
He was in the process of pulling out


That's what she said

mell says
I'm confident Trump would have pulled out successfully, he overall has a pretty good track record with results.


Why aren't you judging Trump on results in THIS case? He had 4 years and did nothing to end the quagmire. In the end, he foisted an obligation to leave on an unrealistic timeline (3 months after inauguration) upon his successor. Then guys like you give Trump credit for what he "woulda" done and how perfectly it "woulda" gone, while criticizing Biden who's the man actually taking action getting us out of there finally.
31   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Aug 24, 8:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

Automan Empire says
mell says
He was in the process of pulling out


That's what she said

mell says
I'm confident Trump would have pulled out successfully, he overall has a pretty good track record with results.


Why aren't you judging Trump on results in THIS case? He had 4 years and did nothing to end the quagmire. In the end, he foisted an obligation to leave on an unrealistic timeline (3 months after inauguration) upon his successor. Then guys like you give Trump credit for what he "woulda" done and how perfectly it "woulda" gone, while criticizing Biden who's the man actually taking action getting us out of there finally.


Because they pulled all stops so eagerly, 4 years of hysteric media collusion, retarded claims of rayscysm, a scamdemic and voter fraud collusion, hell bent to install a senile gramps even obummer abhorred in office, instead of letting Trump finish it. So the proof is on them to do it better than Trump would have with his good foreign policy track record, and they fucking own this quagmire.
32   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2021 Aug 24, 8:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

FuckCCP89 says
Biden's promise of competence

that was a good joke
33   Patrick   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 24, 11:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          


Alex Berenson
@AlexBerenson
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Hey ‘Merica! You can trust Uncle Joe about vaccines! He won’t lie to you or leave you behind!
34   Patrick   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 25, 8:39am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/last-war-for-democracy-afghanistan/


The alternative to Bashir al-Assad in Syria is not liberal democracy, but Islamist rule. And in Afghanistan, after a 20-year experiment with democracy, Taliban-style Islamism is returning.

Why did liberalism fail? In short, because liberalism cannot bind people together in conditions of profound insecurity, as religion and tribalism do. Nor does liberalism provide such compelling reasons to kill or die. A man will die for heaven or kill for his brother. He might die for his vote, too, but only if he thinks there’s someone worth voting for. But a Pashtun Jeb Bush? A Muslim Joe Biden?
35   Patrick   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 25, 8:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/how-america-squandered-moral-authority-iraq/


How America squandered its moral authority in Iraq
The true cost of the disaster in Iraq may still have to be paid


This is true. America destroyed the last of its own credibility under Bush.
37   Patrick   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 25, 9:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-making-sure-no-americans-are-stranded-in-afghanistan-by-stripping-citizenship-of-anyone-stranded-there




WASHINGTON, D.C.—In a press conference today, Biden assured the world that he would get every American out of Afghanistan. When asked how he would do this, he explained that on the pull-out date of August 31st he will simply revoke the American citizenship of every American who hasn't shown up at the Kabul airport yet.

"Voila! An elegant solution! Knock on wood, no malarkey!" he said to a stunned press. "If you haven't fought through 12 checkpoints of terrorist thugs and shown up at the airport by the deadline, I guess you don't want to be an American! Boom! No American left behind! Real simple, Jack!"

Biden then began hitting on a female reporter in the front row before forgetting where he was and walking aimlessly into the crowd.

"Hooray! A truly elegant solution!" the corporate press all said uneasily as Biden was ushered off stage by a team of handlers.

The Taliban issued a statement in response, saying "LOL."
38   Patrick   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 25, 10:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

https://nypost.com/2021/08/20/bin-laden-warned-in-2010-letter-that-biden-would-lead-us-into-crisis/?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net


Osama bin Laden once warned al Qaeda not to target Joe Biden because he believed that his inheriting the presidency if something were to happen to Barack Obama would “lead the US into a crisis,” a resurfaced letter shows.

In the letter dated May 2010, the al Qaeda 9/11 mastermind wrote he had no assassination plots against Biden because he deemed him “totally unprepared” to lead the United States.




39   Patrick   ignore (0)   2021 Aug 25, 10:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote          

https://twitter.com/Not_the_Bee/status/1430236273311105026


The Post Millennial
@TPostMillennial
23h
A man in Afghanistan says "Mr. Biden, you did this! You planned this. You made the deal with the Taliban. This is the consequences of it."

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