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How do you respond these statements/questions from a Pro Covid Vaxxer?


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2021 Aug 19, 1:07pm   1,419 views  52 comments

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1. We eliminated the Spanish Flu
2. We beat polio and small pox
3. The vax will lesson symptoms if you get Covid
4. Why do you believe conspiracies?
5. I took the vax and I'm fine

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1   Eric Holder   2021 Aug 19, 1:15pm  

WineHorror1 says
1. We eliminated the Spanish Flu


No. It ended once population achieved herd immunity. The strains of it are still circulating, btw.


WineHorror1 says
2. We beat polio and small pox


Yes. With sterilizing vaccines. You can't transmit polio or smallpox if you're vaccinated.

WineHorror1 says
3. The vax will lesson symptoms if you get Covid


The symptoms are insignificant enough for the most of the population as it is.

WineHorror1 says
4. Why do you believe conspiracies?


As opposed to what: believing people who were wrong many times in the last 1.5 years?

WineHorror1 says
5. I took the vax and I'm fine


I know many people who had wuflu and they are fine. This includes my almost 80 y.o. mother, btw.
2   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2021 Aug 19, 1:19pm  

WineHorror1 says
1. We eliminated the Spanish Flu
2. We beat polio and small pox
3. The vax will lesson symptoms if you get Covid
4. Why do you believe conspiracies?
5. I took the vax and I'm fine


1, 2.... "Covid is like a Flu, there is no vaccine that beats it, same reason Flu vaccine doesn't solve Flu, sometimes doesn't work same year even"
3... "Maybe, I also knew people who died from vaccine, so there's that. It is recommended for people in high risk category 65+ which I'm not"
4... "white blood cells is not a conspiracy theory, immunity is not a hoax, it happens when people recover from disease"
5... "Good, however, I don't need it. I knew people who also died from taking vax as well. To me there is no benefit because of natural immunity and low risk anyway. Only thing I get from this vaccine is a chance to die"

Those are roughly my reasons, I already had covid, and I did know 2 people who both died 1 week after the vaccine (I don't know if they had comorbidities to begin with). I also know people who got sick with covid even though they were already vaccinated. I also know that treatment options and information is suppressed, so now I'm stuck listening to various doctors online in order to get any straight information that is not government propaganda.
3   Patrick   2021 Aug 19, 1:26pm  

1. No we didn't, Spanish Flu died out by killing the people that had it. Fauci Flu has a 99.9% survival rate at this point. Spanish Flu had a far higher IFR (infection fatality rate) and mostly killed healthy middle-aged people, unlike Fauci Flu which is of almost no danger to most people.

2. Polio and smallpox do not have animal reservoirs which keep the disease coming back to people. Fauci Flu does have animal reservoirs even dogs and cats, and so will certainly be with us forever now that Fauci and Daszak have unleashed on the world after creating it in Wuhan with NIH funding.

The vaxx does not kill the virus or cause your body to kill it, the way polio and smallpox vaccines do. People who got the jab are just as full of the virus and as infectious as if they never got the jab. Maybe more.

3. The vaxx may lesson symptoms at the expense of the highest adverse reactions (over half a million in the US) ever seen in any "vaccine". But giving it to everyone is an enormous medical error, actively creating variants, according to Nobel Prize winning virologist Luc Montagnier:



The vaxx does not stop people from getting or transmitting the virus in any case.

People who have natural immunity from previous infection show worse results upon injection that those who refuse it.

The "evidence" that the vaxx helps at all is extremely suspect:

Ms Funke
@Rosessells
12h
Replying to @Leftylockdowns1 @RWMaloneMD
if fully “vaccinated,” the CDC recommends the PCR test at a cycle threshold (CT) of 28 or lower,..which dramatically lowers your chance of a false positive result, but if unvaccinated..PCR test is recommended to be run at a CT of 40 or higher, assuring false positives


4. The Fauci and the medical establishment is incompetent and on the payroll of Pfizer etc via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

You don't need to believe in any conspiracy theory to know that government officials are often corrupt and motivated by money.

If the vaxx is really about helping people, the FDA etc would accept the resounding science showing that natural immunity is seven times better than the vaxx.

If the vaxx is really about helping people, the FDA would not ban the use of Ivermectin, which is provably 85% effective at preventing death in double-blind studies:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1

Favorable outcome on viral load and culture viability using Ivermectin in early treatment of non-hospitalized patients with mild COVID-19 – A double-blind, randomized placebo-controlled trial


But if it's all about corrupt and incompetent officials shoveling profits to Pfizer etc, then you would expect them to do exactly what they are doing: demanding the jab for people who are already immune and forbidding the use of cheap drugs which would negate the "emergency use" authorization rationale.

5. Maybe you are fine, but half a million Americans are not, and a minimum of 11,000 people have been murdered by Fauci's greed and incompetence. Probably more like 45,000 people:

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/3c6a0774-cfad-46fa-aa97-af5aa5e74f00/Jane%20Doe%20Declaration.pdf

And how do you know you won't get cancer from the vaxx mRNA embedding itself in your DNA?

https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/03/16/mit-harvard-study-suggests-mrna-vaccine-might-permanently-alter-dna-after-all
4   Rin   2021 Aug 19, 1:35pm  

WineHorror1 says
1. We eliminated the Spanish Flu


Nope, herd immunity

WineHorror1 says
2. We beat polio and small pox


Yes, with vaccines which mimic the actual organism, not some gene vector or mRNA spike protein generating fragment.

WineHorror1 says
3. The vax will lesson symptoms if you get Covid


So will the tuberculosis vaccine, targeting a broad spectrum immune response for pulmonary tissues. See my actual link towards a clinic study ...

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/tuberculosis-vaccine-covid-19-elderly

WineHorror1 says
4. Why do you believe conspiracies?


I have a degree in Applied Chemistry/Chemical Engineering, you don't and thus, you're more susceptible to pseudo-science conspiracy theories than I am since you're probably a 'B-' with grade inflation chemistry student.


WineHorror1 says
5. I took the vax and I'm fine


So am I with the J&J, not mRNA. This is what I took, before and after the shot ...

4000 mg Flax Seed Oil (mostly used as a lipid based solvent)
4000 mg Turmeric with Bioperine
3000 mg Quercetin (This is a LOT!)
3000 mg Ascorbate (Vitamin C in salt form)
2000 mg Allisure Allicin (Active ingredient in Garlic, fully isolated)
1000 mg R-Lipoic Acid (Thioctic Acid which recycles all antioxidants including Glutathione)
1000 mg Enteric Coated Aspirin
200 mg Zinc

Remember, I'm Rin Wah Law, you, on the other hand, are a loser!



To quote Larry Fishbourne's character in 'King of New York' ...

"Fuck you very much!"
5   Ceffer   2021 Aug 19, 1:35pm  

WineHorror1 says
5. I took the vax and I'm fine

Only survivors tell stories. The dead can't talk or post online. The people I know who have taken the jab are in deep denial because they do not want to think they did the wrong thing, and they are also vectors because they want everybody else to be in the same sinking boat.
8   Rin   2021 Aug 19, 1:42pm  

Ppl, see my thread on the tuberculosis vaccine as an alternative vax strategy, based on broad spectrum lung protection ...

https://patrick.net/post/1340652/2021-08-14-among-the-insipid-pro-vaxxers-haven-t-t

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/tuberculosis-vaccine-covid-19-elderly
9   GNL   2021 Aug 19, 2:05pm  

Rin says
Ppl, see my thread on the tuberculosis vaccine as an alternative vax strategy, based on broad spectrum lung protection ...

https://patrick.net/post/1340652/2021-08-14-among-the-insipid-pro-vaxxers-haven-t-t

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/tuberculosis-vaccine-covid-19-elderly

I don't understand your tuberculosis answer. It doesn't seem to refute the question.
10   richwicks   2021 Aug 19, 2:17pm  

WineHorror1 says
1. We eliminated the Spanish Flu

Actually, we didn't. Viruses attenuate over time - meaning they get less deadly. A pathogen that kills its host isn't as likely to infect a new host. Every virus gets less deadly over time. Descendants of the Spanish Flu are still alive and well. You've almost certainly been infected by one.

WineHorror1 says
2. We beat polio and small pox

This is because these vaccines actually conferred immunity. Small Pox had a 30% mortality rate if you got that disease. It was well worth eradicating, even at the cost of the lives of some people who died of the small pox vaccine. That was a terrifying disease.

WineHorror1 says
3. The vax will lesson symptoms if you get Covid

This is entirely unproven. It's a quantitative measure too - there's no way to judge this. Mortality rates are the only way to measure it, and from what I've seen, the vaccines simply don't work - at all.

WineHorror1 says
4. Why do you believe conspiracies?

Why do you believe corporate news? Find that weapons of mass destruction program yet? Sure is a good thing that Obama bombed Libya to prevent Qaddafi from causing a humanitarian crisis now that Libya is in civil war with slavery markets. Find that Russian Collusion yet? How did the Russians hack our election in 2016 anyhow? Amazing president we just elected in 2020 isn't he - what with him being the most popular presidential candidate ever winning the largest percentage of eligible votes in history, while also winning the smallest percentage of counties in all of history. Seems a little senile though, but hey, most popular presidential candidate ever.

WineHorror1 says
5. I took the vax and I'm fine

I got hit by a car on my bicycle and I'm fine. I hit a tree at about 30 miles an hour skiing when I was a kid, and I'm fine. I got into a car accident 20 years ago, and I'm fine..
11   Karloff   2021 Aug 19, 2:32pm  

5. I took the vax and I'm fine

If I played a round of Russian Roulette and walked away fine, does that mean it's safe?

People who start smoking don't develop cancer right away. It can take many years, if it happens at all. Somehow, we're still able to make the connection between the cause and effect, even when it may take decades to manifest. Yet if someone dies more than a week past their covid shot, that is apparently enough time to dismiss any association to the shot.
12   GNL   2021 Aug 19, 4:37pm  

What other statements/questions have you heard from Pro Covid Vaxxers?
13   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2021 Aug 19, 4:45pm  

WineHorror1 says
What other statements/questions have you heard from Pro Covid Vaxxers?


Most people just say they are scared and think vaccine will make them safer. It's not really questions, it's just how many feel about it. However, I don't think it'll last. I know a family, they all got covid a month after vaccines anyway... they were under impression that it prevents them from getting it.
14   Shaman   2021 Aug 19, 4:45pm  

WineHorror1 says
What other statements/questions have you heard from Pro Covid Vaxxers?


“You’re a Trumpie”
“Where do you get your news?”
15   Robert Sproul   2021 Aug 19, 4:45pm  

WineHorror1 says
4. Why do you believe conspiracies?

"You know what’s not a “conspiracy theory”? Pfizer has, on multiple occasions, lied, manipulated or falsified data, bribed doctors, and knowingly caused harm to people using its products. They have paid out billions in criminal fines. No product made by them should ever be forced." Twitterverse
16   Robert Sproul   2021 Aug 19, 4:48pm  

Karloff says
People who start smoking don't develop cancer right away.

Good one. It is like smoking for 6 or 8 months and saying "yer crazy, look at me, I'm fine"
17   mell   2021 Aug 19, 4:56pm  

Shaman says
WineHorror1 says
What other statements/questions have you heard from Pro Covid Vaxxers?


“You’re a Trumpie”
“Where do you get your news?”


That shows how deranged and retarded most modern leftoids are - everytime I hear that I tell them "did you know that Trump actually promoted the vaccines and wanted to apply them in 1 year vs 5 years? Fuck you!" Why are they so stupid? I mean even the lamestream media did not black out that orange man heavily promoted the vaccines and he still does so today!
18   Patrick   2021 Aug 19, 5:36pm  

Shaman says
WineHorror1 says
What other statements/questions have you heard from Pro Covid Vaxxers?


“You’re a Trumpie”
“Where do you get your news?”


Such a question would be a great opportunity!

Point them to Dr. Malone for starters, since he's the inventor of the mRNA vax and thinks universal jabs are dangerously stupid.

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD
19   Booger   2021 Aug 19, 5:37pm  

WineHorror1 says
5. I took the vax and I'm fine.


You are, FOR NOW. Long term effects are unknown.

I know a couple of really old people who got the clot shot. Their reasoning is that they aren't going to live that much longer anyway, so long term effects aren't important to them.
20   clambo   2021 Aug 19, 5:45pm  

I understand why reasonable people don’t want the shot, and I don’t blame them.

I took it despite knowing that Fauci and the talking heads were full of shit, the lockdowns were unnecessary, that other things can treat me, and my primary care doctor annoying me with questions about my taking it.

I don’t know why lefties are surprised that after a year and a half of being pushed around, someone decided to say no to the medical and media mafia.

Incidentally, are you aware 1. How many hospitals are for profit 2. How much they make from elective surgery?
The medical people almost all have a financial interest in hospitals with plenty of space for the surgery cash cows.

I know doctors and I respect them, but they make a lot of money in the USA and being a surgeon doesn’t make your grasp of reality better than mine.

They are worried that hospitals are too full; deal with it. Some people are going to bite the biscuit. Some people might have been better off if they had taken the shot; so what? It’s their body and tough shit.

They have not outlawed Everclear Vodka (200 proof) which is going to be converted to an aldehyde after you drink it, not outlawed cigarettes, gambling, dirt bike racing, surfing, skiing.

12,000+ people per year die falling down stairs, but they are still legal.
21   Booger   2021 Aug 19, 5:51pm  

I usually just tell pro ☠️ 💉 people "my body my choice" and then to fuck off.
22   WookieMan   2021 Aug 19, 5:56pm  

Booger says
I usually just tell pro ☠️ 💉 people "my body my choice" and then to fuck off.
23   Tenpoundbass   2021 Aug 19, 6:01pm  

I just remind them that they aren't vaccinated against covid either.


Then I inform them the only way to be safe from not getting Corona, is to participate in ANTIFA and BLM marches with tens of thousands of people and congregate with as many massless Liberals as you can. Then tell them, that is not they need to worry about getting corona. It is us that lives in the heart of the Covid strike zones. Corona is everywhere the Democrats need it to be. That seems to be, anywhere that is politically leaning on voting for Trump and pro America views. Let them know that is us that should be killed over and dead by now. The magic smart virus doesn't attack Democrats. Unless they go to the hospital, then it's the intubation that gets you. You're more likely to be snuffed out by your Covid nurse at 3am in the dark, than you are being killed by the virus.

Then ask them why are they so against us taking known remedy treatments for it? Ask them shouldn't they have as much respect for our choice of dealing with corona, as they are demanding from us? AT least we're not demanding they don't get the Vax conjob.

If you weren't able to get any of those words in because they were shouting over you the whole time. Just knock their fucking teeth out of their head. That's the biggest problem in America too many fucking Liberals with a full set of teeth.
24   PeopleUnited   2021 Aug 19, 6:04pm  

Always fun to answer a question with a question. Were you born stupid or were you carefully taught and conditioned by mainstream media outlets to abandon reason for madness?
Were you this stupid before you took the jab?
If the risk of vaccination is not zero, why would you support harming innocent people under 18 who are more likely to be hit by lightning than have a bad bout of CooF?
25   Robert Sproul   2021 Aug 19, 6:23pm  

The thing that has amazed me THE most about the whole Covid Cock-up is seeing stark indoctrination up close.
The Pod People are not at all informed, they have no facts or knowledge base on this issue. They have zero skepticism or even curiosity.
They are irritated and dismissive if you present them with an alternative fact or statistic.
The Zombies are all around me and they frankly freak me the fuck out. You can no longer trust them on anything.
26   richwicks   2021 Aug 19, 6:29pm  

Robert Sproul says
The Zombies are all around me and they frankly freak me the fuck out. You can no longer trust them on anything.


You're freaked out? I'm in Silly Con Valley. I have gone from thinking "I work with a lot of smart people" to "smart people are really much more gullible and dumb than I could have even imagined".

I seriously thought some people were just screwing with me when they repeated some outrageous BS propaganda of the government. But no, nobody is sarcastic here at all - they are deadly serious. Most people are on autopilot about everything. My business partner is an MIT grad, and he's a zombie.

Part of our fucking job is skepticism, but 99.9% of engineers apply it ONLY to their job. I'm sure my business partner suspects I'm a terrorist, because the intelligence agencies are saying "white nationalist Trump supporters are terrorists". I live among totally indoctrinated, crazy people.

I'm from a small tiny town, and the average person there is much MUCH more skeptical. They are blue collar workers mostly. They have a better bullshit detector than almost anybody here. It's weird.
27   WookieMan   2021 Aug 19, 6:36pm  

Robert Sproul says
They are irritated and dismissive if you present them with an alternative fact or statistic.

I've discovered the average person doesn't have basic reasoning skills or logic. I think it's as simple as that. We don't watch TV but keep it on in the background, with local affiliates on. Almost 10-15% of footage I see when getting the kids ready or walking around is of people getting the jab. Same b-roll on multiple stations.

I'll never get any of these vaccines. Covid isn't dangerous. If it influences my travel, I will pay a doctor I trust $1-2K to forge a CDC card for me, hand me the vile and I'll photograph it. None of that shit is going into my body or anyone in my immediate family (kids).
28   Patrick   2021 Aug 19, 7:13pm  

richwicks says
I have gone from thinking "I work with a lot of smart people" to "smart people are really much more gullible and dumb than I could have even imagined".


Charlie Munger Quote: “Show me the incentive and I will show you the outcome.”

There are massive financial incentives for the corrupt incompetents at the CDC, NIH, and FDA to kill people with a barely tested injection, so many people will be killed with it.
29   GNL   2021 Aug 19, 7:33pm  

Shaman says
“Where do you get your news?”

The guy at the grocery store who I've been friendly with for 5-6 years asked me this. I told him information is everywhere and how can he be so sure he is right. He actually made fun of people who get their news from the internet and/or the TV. Is there another source I'm unaware of?
30   GNL   2021 Aug 19, 7:40pm  

Tenpoundbass says
I just remind them that they aren't vaccinated against covid either.

OMG, best one yet. Haha
31   PeopleUnited   2021 Aug 19, 7:57pm  

Patrick says
Charlie Munger Quote: “Show me the incentive and I will show you the outcome.”

There are massive financial incentives for the corrupt incompetents at the CDC, NIH, and FDA to kill people with a barely tested injection, so many people will be killed with it.


It is true that there is financial incentive to control the narrative and sell the clot shots. But it seems there is even more incentive to implement totalitarian measures so money is only part of the motivation. The ultimate goal is total control of the population from what they know, to what they eat and where they live, what they are allowed to think and who they are allowed to associate with. This is 1984.
32   richwicks   2021 Aug 19, 8:16pm  

PeopleUnited says
Patrick says
Charlie Munger Quote: “Show me the incentive and I will show you the outcome.”

There are massive financial incentives for the corrupt incompetents at the CDC, NIH, and FDA to kill people with a barely tested injection, so many people will be killed with it.


It is true that there is financial incentive to control the narrative and sell the clot shots. But it seems there is even more incentive to implement totalitarian measures so money is only part of the motivation. The ultimate goal is total control of the population from what they know, to what they eat and where they live, what they are allowed to think and who they are allowed to associate with. This is 1984.


Right - if this was just about making money for a vaccine that appears to be entirely ineffective at best, and detrimental at worse - they would be marketing saline solutions with some random antigens in it as "vaccines". They would be entirely safe.

Something else is going on.
33   Patrick   2021 Aug 19, 8:33pm  

WineHorror1 says
Tenpoundbass says
I just remind them that they aren't vaccinated against covid either.

OMG, best one yet. Haha


Lol, I have to remember this.
34   Onvacation   2021 Aug 19, 8:57pm  

Robert Sproul says
The Zombies are all around me and they frankly freak me the fuck out. You can no longer trust them on anything.

Word!
35   Patrick   2021 Aug 19, 9:00pm  

Holy shit, this guy has dire predictions:


original link
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36   BoomAndBustCycle   2021 Aug 19, 9:10pm  

Patrick says
Holy shit, this guy has dire predictions:


original link
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I’ll look up this guy in 4 years and laugh at how wrong he is… but there should be consequences for spewing garbage like this and repercussions if in 4 years he is wrong. Saying jab over and over makes him sound moronic and stupid also.
37   clambo   2021 Aug 19, 9:24pm  

I just got an email from Santa Cruz.
As of Saturday, it’s an “order” that masks be worn indoors at any and all establishments.
All people must wear the mask, regardless of whether he was vaccinated or not.
The Twilight Zone episode is not yet over in California evidently.
38   richwicks   2021 Aug 20, 1:10am  

BoomAndBustCycle says
Patrick says
Holy shit, this guy has dire predictions:


original link


I’ll look up this guy in 4 years and laugh at how wrong he is… but there should be consequences for spewing garbage like this and repercussions if in 4 years he is wrong. Saying jab over and over makes him sound moronic and stupid also.


Please, it's important to check predictions and outcomes.

Do you remember Dawit Kelete? How about Kyle Rittenhouse? Do you remember these names? What are their outcomes - they were once famous.

Frauds / liars / erroneous people should be exposed but they can only be identified with time, and only after that time can you realize they were frauds, liars, or erroneous people. The best of us make errors.
39   Ceffer   2021 Aug 20, 2:04am  

clambo says
I just got an email from Santa Cruz.
As of Saturday, it’s an “order” that masks be worn indoors at any and all establishments.
All people must wear the mask, regardless of whether he was vaccinated or not.
The Twilight Zone episode is not yet over in California evidently.

Proper torture requires that you 'ease off' from time to time to give the victim false hope, before you relentlessly continue the torture. This is demoralization.

It's clear that people are tired of the masks, but as long as the Soros et alia bribery bucks keep flowing into the system, the mercenary torture will continue. The good news is, when the money stop, the shallow sods also stop their shit because they are greedy, lazy, crazy, incompetent and generally worthless POS. That's why nobody cares if they get mopped up with bullets in the useful idiot purges.

The fake 'standards' that were set up to begin with to mandate masks HAVE NOT BEEN MET. There is virtually no Covid or Fake Covid in Santa Cruz County. The health mafiosa claims the mask mandates are coming from public demand from a few paid off Kommie agitator groups.

You also hear the gross stupidity of so called fully vaccinated people claiming that unvaccinated people are dangerous to them. Why the fuck did they get vaccinated if the vaccine does not protect them from anything? They don't even seem to think of such gross dislocation of logic because they are so brainwashed.

I'm beginning to think in addition to sheer stupidity and inability to reason, that those graphene nanobot thingies might actually be sending these fools subliminal messaging 24/24 and brainwashing them even more through 5G, like the conspiracy theorists claim.
40   Tenpoundbass   2021 Aug 20, 6:04am  

WineHorror1 says
Tenpoundbass says
I just remind them that they aren't vaccinated against covid either.

OMG, best one yet. Haha


We really do need to stop letting these people lecture us about getting the Vax, when they clearly aren't. Nothing about the jab, that is acting anything like a Vaccination.
A Vaccination, actually prevents people from getting the disease. Like the Measles, Polio and some others. We need to put it back at them, and make THEM feel like the first rate Morons that they are. They have no idea, what in the hell they put in their body, what it will do them, not in the short term, not in the long haul. They blindly had that shit put in their body, and are no safer than those of us that have not. And they want to lecture us about safety?


We might be able to break their brainwashed spell, if we make them feel like a big enough fool.... Nope I doubt it, they will probably just double down, but it's worth a shot!

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