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Patrick says

the government is entirely illegitimate

When I was born, Kennedy was the commander in chief.

The government has been illegitimate for a long time.

Do I understand your position on DeSantis correctly? You are complaining that he is not placing mandates on private businesses?

For those affected by this, I'd ignore the employer's demand. If fired, then I'd hope for a wrongful termination jackpot some time in the future.

SunnyvaleCA says

Do I understand your position on DeSantis correctly? You are complaining that he is not placing mandates on private businesses?

I think Patrick is pissed because DeSantis is not BANNING mandates from individual employers.

My libertarian instinct are against mandates and against mandating business not having mandates.

It's confusing.

Onvacation says

I think Patrick is pissed because DeSantis is not BANNING mandates from individual employers.

I'm opposed to gross violations of human rights, such as the requirement to be injected with a clearly dangerous drug as a condition of employment.

Patrick says

I'm opposed to gross violations of human rights, such as the requirement to be injected with a clearly dangerous drug as a condition of employment.

Me too. I would not work for somebody that insists on putting their employees in harms way.

It's the government that creates the situation. People are scared.

Deliberately scared, to maximize the profits of Pfizer et al.

As far as I know, employers in Florida are not mandating their employees take the shot.

My friend is a CNA in Jupiter hospital and she doesn’t want the shot. She is still working.

She’s also scared to death of catching Wuhan/Corona/Covid/SARS Cov2

Those employers are likely to get sued, freedom groups and lawyers are lining up.

clambo says

As far as I know, employers in Florida are not mandating their employees take the shot.

This is probably why DeSantis hasn't done this yet. He hasn't had to.

zzyzzx says

clambo says

As far as I know, employers in Florida are not mandating their employees take the shot.

This is probably why DeSantis hasn't done this yet. He hasn't had to.

Porkchopexpress's new company is a FL based healthcare provider iirc and they're mandating it. I'm also generally against placing too much burden on employers but I agree with Patrick that in this case it is a human rights violation.

I do think though the forces are strong here and also de Santis is no angel, which politician is? But he's probably the best we got and heay become bolder if he gets some tailwind from somewhere, maybe Elders election or at least newsoms recall.

I don't get how an employer can mandate what you put in your body. Or that the government in its entirety has any say in it. If the vaccine works, let people that don't care get covid, right? What's the big deal. This isn't fucking polio for fucks sake. There are literally hundreds of things more deadly than Covid to 60 plus percent of the population on a daily basis. The other 40% are older and close to dying anyway.

WookieMan says

I don't get how an employer can mandate what you put in your body

Haha, I can. As a contractor, my employer can demand that I dress up as a hooker, and wear lipstick. I might quit the job, but hey, they can make any crazy demand they want.

In fact, I will dress up as a hooker and wear lipstick before I take this vaccine.

Onvacation says

My libertarian instinct are against mandates and against mandating business not having mandates.

Self solving problem.

Businesses that discriminate have a smaller pool of talent to draw from. Businesses that don't discriminate have a larger pool of talent to draw from.

Imagine you can only hire people from a random 1/2 of the population - can you get the same quality of employees as somebody that can hire people from anybody in the population?

I'm watching companies right now like Google imposing arbitrary hiring restrictions to promote minority recruitment and I'm watching them suffer as a result. I doubt companies like Rumble or Brave are doing this, and as a result, they will quickly outshine them. Youtube has going from something I used daily, to something I rarely even bother to think about in 2 years. Google is a search engine that has become useless to me for WORK - I can find the information in other search engines without having to deal with ads and promotions.

Google will be as relevant as Yahoo! is within 10 years. I'm sure they will be a billion dollar company still, but that's because our government is keeping this company together, actual users are not.

Everyone should have seen that all levels of the Government has been trying to get private businesses to assume the liability of the Vaccine.

That way no one entity could be held responsible. Did you get the jab to work or to eat at your favorite Rib joint?
You can't blame every business, or just the one you got the jab for. Where as if the Government mandated it, then you have someone to blame and sue.

zzyzzx says

clambo says

As far as I know, employers in Florida are not mandating their employees take the shot.

This is probably why DeSantis hasn't done this yet. He hasn't had to.

DeSantis is just another sales rep for Pfizer etc now.

Look at how all of his tweets are just touting a different very profitable injection, and how he never mentions Ivermectin.

His failure to ban employer mandates is unforgivable.

DeSantis is a grifter.

richwicks says

Self solving problem.

Businesses that discriminate have a smaller pool of talent to draw from. Businesses that don't discriminate have a larger pool of talent to draw from.

I hope so, but the high-tech bullies in silicon valley can sometimes gang up on "bad behavior" with a combined front. I could imagine that what happened to Parler over free speech could happen to a company that refused to install a vax mandate.

SunnyvaleCA says

I hope so, but the high-tech bullies in silicon valley can sometimes gang up on "bad behavior" with a combined front. I could imagine that what happened to Parler over free speech could happen to a company that refused to install a vax mandate.

Um, they don't have as much power as you may think.

All it's done is make a bunch of companies realize that they shouldn't have any dependency on Google, or GoDaddy. Pretty soon, they will remove their dependence on ICANN.

The one thing you do not want to do is piss off a bunch of technological nerds. Seriously. Billy Mitchell cheated on a Donkey Kong high score. A nerd took the video apart and proved:

1) He was playing on MAME (that has save states) and not a real machine
2) His score on one board was impossible
3) He edited a video tape to create the high score
4) The probabilities in some part of the game couldn't happen based on the Random Number Generator (he edited parts of of a video together).

That was over a fucking high score of a video game. Unless you're an obsessive nerd, you don't understand us. We're fucking relentless.

richwicks says

my employer can demand that I dress up as a hooker, and wear lipstick.

He's just grooming you for "other" things.

Onvacation says

richwicks says

my employer can demand that I dress up as a hooker, and wear lipstick.

He's just grooming you for "other" things.

I have my price for anything.

I never turn down a job offer for example, I just figure out what it costs me to do a job. I've asked for amounts for jobs I didn't want expecting a decline, and surprisingly, got hired anyhow. It's good practice in that even if I don't get hired, I help out the next guy.

The rush to make new laws is what's turned this country into the shit-show it is. I would guess there are already laws in place that prevent workplace discrimination. And I KNOW there is a law that prevents employers from forcing employees to disclose their medical history.

What DeSantis should do is pull all state funding from private entities who require the shot, and eliminate Federal funds going to private companies within the state. That would end mandates in a heartbeat.

NuttBoxer says

What DeSantis should do is pull all state funding from private entities who require the shot, and eliminate Federal funds going to private companies within the state. That would end mandates in a heartbeat.

How would that stop a diner from mandating the non-vax?

WineHorror1 says

NuttBoxer says

What DeSantis should do is pull all state funding from private entities who require the shot, and eliminate Federal funds going to private companies within the state. That would end mandates in a heartbeat.

How would that stop a diner from mandating the non-vax?

That's not a problem wrt customers, that diner will go belly up swiftly (or do very poorly in perpetuity at least) as people would simply avoid/boycott it, but the problem is for the employees. That's why the mandate ban for customers is easier to proclaim. Preventing employers from violating the human rights of their employees would have to be done by EO or better law pushed through with clear and swift monetary sanction and jail time if violated.

Unless DeSantis is giving out red hats and Gatling guns to everyone to resist TYRANNY!, then he is CCP!

Everyone knows that!

richwicks says

That was over a fucking high score of a video game. Unless you're an obsessive nerd, you don't understand us. We're fucking relentless.

I, for one, love nerds and early adoptors...don't come after me. :)

WineHorror1 says

I, for one, love nerds and early adoptors...don't come after me. :)

I find that nerds are often not early adopters. A few are, but then after they get older they realize "hey, the first generation of everything sucks!" - and it does.

The first generation, the latest and greatest, is always without exception the worst version of whatever you're getting. It has bugs, it's hastily put together, it's expensive.

Now about these first ever generation of mRNA and DNA "vaccines" that have never been used in animals or humans until about 9 months ago..

I work in the tech industry and while everyone around me is fully aware that anything new and rushed out is to be avoided, they simply ignore that concept when it came to these vaccines.

It's a helluva magic trick.

Karloff says

I work in the tech industry and while everyone around me is fully aware that anything new and rushed out is to be avoided, they simply ignore that concept when it came to these vaccines.

It's a helluva magic trick.

It's entirely F'ed up to me.

One thing that used to bother me is people would read a news article that was completely full of crap about something they knew about, well, and they'd just assume that one article was "wrong".

I think it's a problem of arrogance "well, of course a journalist wouldn't understand the thing I'm and expert at, but everything else is easy to understand so they probably got that right". Nah, journalist don't even care if they are right, and usually are just promoting some idea of concept or product.

I had to laugh at Rob Enderle when his bullshit for supporting SCO's BS lawsuit against Linux finally got exposed though. The only journalist that was basically pushed into obscurity because he was so full of shit for so long. I'm sure he sleeps like a baby on a pile of money though.

WineHorror1 says

How would that stop a diner from mandating the non-vax?

You mean refusing to serve people who get the shot?

HunterTits says

Patrick says

Look at how all of his tweets are just touting a different very profitable injection, and how he never mentions Ivermectin

Because his cronies and aids never mention it to him. He doesn't have all day to screw around on PatNet or otherwise to find out like some of us do. :)

I sent him an email about it.

governorron.desantis@eog.myflorida.com

Not that he reads his email, but he really has no excuse to be ignorant of such a well-known drug and what it can do.

richwicks says

I find that nerds are often not early adopters. A few are, but then after they get older they realize "hey, the first generation of everything sucks!" - and it does.

Agreed.

I used to be a technician. I warned my clients to wait on the latest technology until the bugs were worked out. If they insisted, I would point out that it would be time consuming and costly. If they still insisted I would take their money. When they had problems I would take more of their money and tell them, "I told you so ".

Not that I'm a nerd. I prefer the term geek. Nerds are losers.

richwicks says

WineHorror1 says

I, for one, love nerds and early adoptors...don't come after me. :)

I find that nerds are often not early adopters. A few are, but then after they get older they realize "hey, the first generation of everything sucks!" - and it does.

The first generation, the latest and greatest, is always without exception the worst version of whatever you're getting. It has bugs, it's hastily put together, it's expensive.

Now about these first ever generation of mRNA and DNA "vaccines" that have never been used in animals or humans until about 9 months ago..

I made that comment so nerds won't come after me if I fuck up. If they'll go after a false video game score...

WineHorror1 says

I made that comment so nerds won't come after me if I fuck up. If they'll go after a false video game score...

Only have to worry if you're using it to promote yourself in some way and you're claiming to be #1 in some game, and there's a bunch of people competing for it. Nobody cares if you have the highest score ever in Pong. They DO care if you claim to have the fastest speed run in Super Mario Brothers or highest score in Asteroids.

There's a whole history with a film called "King of Kong".

A man by the name of Todd Rogers, supposedly the first professional video game player, had a 35 year old record in an Atari 2600 game called Dragster. He claimed to have the fastest time at 5.51 seconds in 1982. He made a career - out of that lie. Nobody could get close to that time although many people tried for 35 years. The fastest possible time is 5.57 seconds and how was this determined?

Somebody in frustration disassembled the machine code, and through study, found the optimal fastest time by going through each line of the assembly (they could have done it more easily by just doing every possible input at each frame refresh up to 5.57 seconds - but..) anyhow, he was proven to have lied. That would take (60*5.57)^2 seconds = 111,689.64 seconds == 334 days (on real hardware) to do that, but in a simulator would take days at the most since you can run at 1000x the speed or more.

Anyhow when caught Todd Rogers claimed "well, it's the human element" and that became a joke. No human being is better than a computer at a VIDEO GAME. If you've ever played against a bot in a multiplayer video game, you get your ass kicked over and over and over again.

Since some nerds were trying to beat this record for weeks, months, sometimes even years - they were pretty pissed. Turns out a lot of people go the record but they kept trying and trying and trying to improve it, when it was absolutely impossible.

And every record that Todd Rogers had for every video game he's ever played, has been invalidated - even if they were legitimate. Same thing happened with Billy Mitchell. Both these men built businesses as being #1 - and both cheated.

Incidentally Billy Mitchell ironically climbed to fame by proving another video game player had lied about his (impossibly) high score in PacMan - I think Ronald Reagan even gave the cheater a medal or commendation or something for it. Mitchell was the first to get to the "kill screen" of PacMan. In PacMan no designer of the game thought anybody could get to the 255th level so there's a bug where a byte rolls over to 0, and causes the game to crash. In PacMan you can follow patterns after something like level 15, and from 15 to 255, you just follow the pattern. There is NO randomness in PacMan, if you give EXACTLY the same inputs from one game to the next, it gives you EXACTLY the same results and high score. I once knew the patterns, but there's no fun in playing. I think there's like 5 patterns? Been a while.

Doubt you're interested or even read this far, but if you're curious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK16tq37GkU

richwicks says

Doubt you're interested or even read this far, but if you're curious:

I did read this far. You scare me...a little. 🙂

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

Doubt you're interested or even read this far, but if you're curious:

I did read this far. You scare me...a little. 🙂

Sorry. :)

This was the analysis of Billy Mitchell's video of his false high score claim in Donkey Kong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEKYlZbaQPE

That's a complete analysis of Mitchell's proof. Now look at what a group of obsessive people did about a VIDEO GAME. Wait to you see what they do over attempts to silence freedom of expression and speech!

The people at the top have no idea what kind of army they have awaken. No clue.

https://twitter.com/veve20212020/status/1430995899388473344#m




OK, now that Fauci is pushing the same injection that DeSantis is, I know for a fact that DeSantis is nothing more than a salesman for Big Pharma.

Fauci is a criminal against humanity.

Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
3h
Relevant blast from the past.

A supporter yelled out, "Give 'em Hell, Harry!"

Truman replied, "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them, and they think it's Hell."

mell says

zzyzzx says

clambo says

As far as I know, employers in Florida are not mandating their employees take the shot.

This is probably why DeSantis hasn't done this yet. He hasn't had to.

Porkchopexpress's new company is a FL based healthcare provider iirc and they're mandating it. I'm also generally against placing too much burden on employers but I agree with Patrick that in this case it is a human rights violation.

This is correct. I work remotely in CA now for a FL-based healthcare company, and they just informed the entire company on Monday which was my first day on the job. This includes ALL employees whether you're 100% remote or not. FML

I looked it up and DeSantis has only eliminated vaccine passports to visit establishments, not employers who mandate their employees get it. He did say he doesn't like employer mandates at all, but he hasn't done anything about it.

Patrick says

governorron.desantis@eog.myflorida.com

Thanks patrick. I just wrote Ron as well about my specific situation with links to scientific studies about natural immunity, etc.

@porkchopexpress How do you feel about renting in Montana for a year? That might be enough for mandates to be removed.

I'm guessing that if you work for a Florida employer but live in Montana, then Montana law will apply to you, and the mandate cannot be enforced on you. But I don't really know.

https://patrick.net/post/1340841/2021-08-25-montana-becomes-the-first-u-s-state-to-ban

Patrick says

@porkchopexpress How do you feel about renting in Montana for a year? That might be enough for mandates to be removed.

I'm guessing that if you work for a Florida employer but live in Montana, then Montana law will apply to you, and the mandate cannot be enforced on you. But I don't really know.

https://patrick.net/post/1340841/2021-08-25-montana-becomes-the-first-u-s-state-to-ban

I thought about that but unfortunately, my company doesn't care where you live if you're remote, so the mandate still applies. Montana is restricting Montana-based employers only...they can't do anything about FL-based companies.