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Single Family Home parcels in California UPZONED

By EBGuy follow EBGuy   2021 Sep 16, 6:57pm 417 views   26 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


The Governor today signed California State Senate President pro Tempore Toni G. Atkins’ SB 9, the California Housing Opportunity and More Efficiency (HOME) Act, which the White House this month commended to increase housing supply. The HOME Act facilitates the process for homeowners to build a duplex or split their current residential lot, expanding housing options for people of all incomes that will create more opportunities for homeowners to add units on their existing properties. It includes provisions to prevent the displacement of existing renters and protect historic districts, fire-prone areas and environmental quality.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/09/16/governor-newsom-signs-historic-legislation-to-boost-californias-housing-supply-and-fight-the-housing-crisis/

Tern Center estimates that approximately 700,000 new, market-feasible homes would be enabled under SB 9. My crystal ball says this legislation will have far reaching effects on California's political environment. YMMV...
1   RC2006   ignore (2)   2021 Sep 16, 7:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

So make more of CA like east LA. Overcrowded lots, residential streets full of cars.
2   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 16, 7:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's not worth much if the permits are hard to get and take forever and inflation is prohibitive for construction/renovation. We'll see, I expect supply to stay tight. With exploding inflation there is not much incentive to build.
3   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 16, 7:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Does this mean I can split up one of my California crap shacks and turn them into Section 8 tenements? Can I go multi story? Section 8 to the sky and beyond!
4   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 16, 7:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RC2006 says
So make more of CA like east LA. Overcrowded lots, residential streets full of cars.


Add the retarded traffic planning and shutting down all vital streets this is going to congest the city even more. There is hardly anyone out and about since !covid! started, a fraction of people that used to be in SF, yet the streets are clogged. These morons will continue to drive the city into the ground even further. Luckily we're just passing through these days.
5   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 16, 7:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Any area outlined in green is an urbanized area or cluster. Single Family Home zoning has been eliminated in these areas. If you are a SFH homeowner in any of these areas, congratulations: You've been upzoned!
6   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 16, 8:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Minimum size allowed after lot split: 1,200 sq.ft (max ratio allowed 60/40).
7   Hircus   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 16, 9:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Will we next see that new CA govt real estate investment fund to raise capital to build more homes on these lots?

If so, I bet the capital loans will come with being beholden to dem wokeness regulations.

They want to make CA a dem stronghold for generations.
8   FuckCCP89   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 16, 10:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says
Minimum size allowed after lot split: 1,200 sq.ft (max ratio allowed 60/40).


How long before the halfs can be split again?
9   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Sep 17, 12:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says

Tern Center estimates that approximately 700,000 new, market-feasible homes would be enabled under SB 9. My crystal ball says this legislation will have far reaching effects on California's political environment. YMMV


The cities will use the cumbersome building codes & permit fees process to monkeywrench this as much as possible.

If there are no fines or other meaningful enforcement mechanisms against cities that outright defy this law, this will be a dead letter also.



10   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Sep 17, 12:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ceffer says
Does this mean I can split up one of my California crap shacks and turn them into Section 8 tenements? Can I go multi story? Section 8 to the sky and beyond!


A lot of granny flats will be Section 8, I bet.
11   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 17, 12:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FuckCCP89 says
How long before the halfs can be split again?

You can only do it once using this statute. And to prevent rampant speculation, owner must sign an affidavit saying they will live there for three years, so, in the short term, Section 8, or problematic neighbors, are less likely.
12   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 17, 1:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says
owner must sign an affidavit saying they will live there for three years

This is why God invented postal boxes.
13   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 17, 1:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says
owner must sign an affidavit saying they will live there for three years


"Live there" where? On two lots simultaneously?
14   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Sep 17, 1:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Eric Holder says
On two lots simultaneously?


Yeah...that didn't make sense to me either.
15   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 17, 1:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Eric Holder says

"Live there" where? On two lots simultaneously?

(g) (1) A local agency shall require an applicant for an urban lot split to sign an affidavit stating that the applicant intends to occupy one of the housing units as their principal residence for a minimum of three years from the date of the approval of the urban lot split.
16   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 17, 1:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says
Eric Holder says

"Live there" where? On two lots simultaneously?

(g) (1) A local agency shall require an applicant for an urban lot split to sign an affidavit stating that the applicant intends to occupy one of the housing units as their principal residence for a minimum of three years from the date of the approval of the urban lot split.


Split your lot in half. Sell the other half to your kid. Live on the fist half for 3 years. Split it again. Sell one to your other kid. Meanwhile your kids split their lots in half.... and so on and so forth until we have umpteen 1200 sq.ft lots on the street in a mere decade or two. =))
17   Blue   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 17, 2:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

US needs some level of population control to combat issues like this. I know it's hard, look at south, they look like invasion not immigration anymore with Biden. Housing situation will never get improved with rapid population growth.
18   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 17, 2:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Eric Holder says


Split your lot in half. Sell the other half to your kid. Live on the fist half for 3 years. Split it again. Sell one to your other kid. Meanwhile your kids split their lots in half.... and so on and so forth until we have umpteen 1200 sq.ft lots on the street in a mere decade or two. =))

Can only be done once.
(3) The parcel being subdivided meets all the following requirements:
,,,
(F) The parcel has not been established through prior exercise of an urban lot split as provided for in this section.
(G) Neither the owner of the parcel being subdivided nor any person acting in concert with the owner has previously subdivided an adjacent parcel using an urban lot split as provided for in this section.
19   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 17, 2:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says
FuckCCP89 says
How long before the halfs can be split again?

You can only do it once using this statute. And to prevent rampant speculation, owner must sign an affidavit saying they will live there for three years, so, in the short term, Section 8, or problematic neighbors, are less likely.

Enforced by the State Government that was scammed out of 11 BILLION dollars in COVID unemployment frauds. So stupid and inattentive they were sending multiple checks to the same mail forwarding addresses. Sending checks to prison inmates.
20   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Sep 17, 2:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says
(G) Neither the owner of the parcel being subdivided nor any person acting in concert with the owner has previously subdivided an adjacent parcel using an urban lot split as provided for in this section.


Doesn't mean it can't be done more than once. Transferring title after doing it the first time to an LLC or trust, for example, means it can be done a second time.
21   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 17, 2:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HunterTits says
EBGuy says
(G) Neither the owner of the parcel being subdivided nor any person acting in concert with the owner has previously subdivided an adjacent parcel using an urban lot split as provided for in this section.


Doesn't mean it can't be done more than once. Transferring title after doing it the first time to an LLC or trust, for example, means it can be done a second time.


And "in concert" is practically impossible to prove. It's gonna be a shitshow of epic proportions.
22   Robert Sproul   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 17, 2:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Eric Holder says
Split your lot in half. Sell the other half to your kid. Live on the fist half for 3 years. Split it again. Sell one to your other kid. Meanwhile your kids split their lots in half.... and so on and so forth until we have umpteen 1200 sq.ft lots on the street in a mere decade or two. =))

**Bangalore by the Bay**
Or maybe more accurately Ciudad Neza Norte
23   EBGuy   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 17, 3:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HunterTits says
Transferring title after doing it the first time to an LLC or trust, for example, means it can be done a second time.

Sometimes I think you guys are intentionally obtuse. I already posted this in attempt to answer you question about multiple splits.
(3) The parcel being subdivided meets all the following requirements:
,,,
(F) The parcel has not been established through prior exercise of an urban lot split as provided for in this section.

Provision (F) means you can't do this multiple times.

Here's link to the complete text of SB-9 Housing development: approvals.
24   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Sep 18, 3:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says
Sometimes I think you guys are intentionally obtuse.


Nope. I went with the crap you gave us.

(G) Neither the owner of the parcel being subdivided nor any person acting in concert with the owner has previously subdivided an adjacent parcel using an urban lot split as provided for in this section.

That means G defines what prior exercise is as it relates to F.

Not my fault you can't make logical associations of concepts.
25   Eman   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 18, 4:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

EBGuy says
Eric Holder says

"Live there" where? On two lots simultaneously?

(g) (1) A local agency shall require an applicant for an urban lot split to sign an affidavit stating that the applicant intends to occupy one of the housing units as their principal residence for a minimum of three years from the date of the approval of the urban lot split.


1) after 3 years, the owner can move and rent out their unit.
2) due to unforeseen circumstances and/or job relocation, the owner can rent their unit out in less than 3 years. There is no way the city will/can enforce this IMO.
3) my SFH rentals have become more valuable as the value is in the land. 💰
26   Eman   ignore (0)   2021 Sep 18, 4:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
It's not worth much if the permits are hard to get and take forever and inflation is prohibitive for construction/renovation. We'll see, I expect supply to stay tight. With exploding inflation there is not much incentive to build.


Valid reasons/concerns. I’m sure cities will put a bunch of overlays to make it ultra difficult to obtain permits. I’m sure developers and homeowners will be suing local cities over the difficult of obtaining permits for construction.

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