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The city began enforcing the rule on Sept. 13, fining businesses that don't comply.

You voted for it.

HeadSet says

The city began enforcing the rule on Sept. 13, fining businesses that don't comply.

You voted for it.

Sure, like we voted for Biden..

Finally black people's violence is justified.

White woman denied entrance to 3 black women... segregation/racism. Republicans for some reason suck at taking that and running with it screaming insults at Democrats. Missed opportunity IMO.

It was racist to ask for an ID, just like at the voting place.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Finally black people's violence is justified.

She was assured by Comrade Butch Dyke BLM bitch April Weissman, in Ballot Stuffing training class, that they were only doing this shit to White people. That they don't have to worry about all of the masking and vaxing.

It would piss me off too quite frankly. They said communism has never been done right, this time they were going to do it right.

Black lives matter bitchez!! They should have totaled the entire shithole NYC dump "restaurant" for following tyrannical segregation orders and then taken a dump on the "we're just doing our job" bitchass owners face. Fuck yeah

Not only were those three black women totally justified in protecting their lives from the surveillance/jab state, they are morally superior to everyone who simply goes along with the greatest crime ever to be perpetuated on humanity.

They should be given medals for heroism. Or heroineism.

The point you are missing is the reaction of the black assaulters was totally inappropriate for the perceived insult they felt they had received. They should go to jail.

They also must have known that they would be asked for the documents.

I have only complained verbally once about the shitty treatment I got, in a Florida gas station.

Otherwise I walk away.

clambo says

The point you are missing is the reaction of the black assaulters was totally inappropriate for the perceived insult they felt they had received. They should go to jail.

They should go to jail just like all BLM thugs went, right...the irony here is that violence is turned against establishment rules, which is why I am happy.

Who cares about race??? It's unconstitutional to everyone. Dead horse about to be beaten. AIDS? How about other influenza strains that kill kids? As I've said, logic is gone in most of the public at this point. THIS virus is the worst though. It's a fucking joke. How about the bacteria that killed my 4 year old neighbors kid? Where does this stop?

Living is dangerous. Stay home if you're scared. There's no other solution and oppressing others has CLEARLY made NO difference with covid. Masks, vaccines, etc. People jump out of planes for fun knowing they only have two life lines to get them on the ground safely. Cliff jumpers that glide in wing suits. Flying a plane. Driving a car. Life is a risk. Humans want thrill and fun instead of hiding from a virus that kills less than the activities I just mentioned.

Ours and every government should be promoting healthy lifestyle. Nah.... vaccines. Pure retardation and big pharma profits. The average person cannot see it though.

Denying people food is a form of violence. It requires force.

Any server, or frontline-low-payed-whoever, that is charged with enforcing this bullshit should just look at whatever "card" "ID" etc. is presented to them and go "Okey Doke, what would you like to drink". Getting all persnickety about what you are given just isn't sensible.
As an aside, one thing that amazed me when I first got around groups of Black folks is the hair trigger disproportionate violence that was
always lurking.

Patrick says

they are morally superior to everyone who simply goes along with the greatest crime ever to be perpetuated on humanity.

Clearly a horrible outcome of running with "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thinking. There was no moral superiority at play here. This was base uncivilized impulsive violence, not toward some lofty principle but reactive to the individual they invoked violence upon, and yet here you are reacting like they're at the pinnacle of the fucking Heinz Dilemma.

Robert Sproul says

Any server, or frontline-low-payed-whoever, that is charged with enforcing this bullshit should just look at whatever "card" "ID" etc. is presented to them and go "Okey Doke, what would you like to drink". Getting all persnickety about what you are given just isn't sensible.
As an aside, one thing that amazed me when I first got around groups of Black folks is the hair trigger disproportionate violence that was
always lurking.

Agreed. Whatever document is presented, if it looks half-way legit, the servers should let it pass. It's not their job to check the validity and it's also immoral to do so, fuck them they deserve that violence.

Automan Empire says

There was no moral superiority at play here.

Yes there was. They showed their papers, case closed. Fuck this asshole for playing gestapo

Automan Empire says

Clearly a horrible outcome of running with "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thinking. There was no moral superiority at play here. This was base uncivilized impulsive violence, not toward some lofty principle but reactive to the individual they invoked violence upon, and yet here you are reacting like they're at the pinnacle of the fucking Heinz Dilemma.

Illegal government decrees resulting in violence from general population is fine with me. If there is sufficient violence, may be gubbermint will rethink its own idiocy.

What makes it even more enjoyable is the drumbeat about oppressing black people which is coming from the governing classes. This situation is a nice yet small payback.

mell says

Yes there was. They showed their papers, case closed. Fuck this asshole for playing gestapo

Make no mistake, you're only spinning your wheels, striking your fellow citizens, while the actual gestapo watches safely from above and cackles with glee as the hyperpolarized masses fight among themselves according to design.

Automan Empire says

mell says

Yes there was. They showed their papers, case closed. Fuck this asshole for playing gestapo

Make no mistake, you're only spinning your wheels, striking your fellow citizens, while the actual gestapo watches safely from above and cackles with glee as the hyperpolarized masses fight among themselves according to design.

Ah but you need to teach the blockwarts that what they're doing is wrong and change their behavior to get to the elite in the first place. "I was just following orders" doesn't cut it, esp. if you're even going further and become overzealous. He could have just accepted whatever he was shown.

Automan Empire says

mell says

Yes there was. They showed their papers, case closed. Fuck this asshole for playing gestapo

Make no mistake, you're only spinning your wheels, striking your fellow citizens, while the actual gestapo watches safely from above and cackles with glee as the hyperpolarized masses fight among themselves according to design.

If we all stop being enforcers for the "actual gestapo", this all falls apart.

mell says

"I was just following orders" doesn't cut it,

I'm against "Little Eichmann" behavior, but I have the sense to scale the response commensurate with the party's ultimate responsibility.

The front line customer facing employee is the BOTTOM of the hierarchy. They have ZERO responsibility for the rules, only the duty to enforce them or face sanctions or job loss. They get paid minimum wage, which isn't enough to put up with unjustified bullshit from the public they are obliged to face.

What these people did was "Karens but with fists." You're praising lowlife thug behavior, which you've likely condemned in most other contexts, as if it's some sacrificial act of moral duty toward a lofty goal or concept. Look at yourself, ask WTF?

Automan Empire says

They have ZERO responsibility for the rules, only the duty to enforce them or face sanctions or job loss.

Then it should have ended with showing vaccine papers. Overzealous nano-Eichmann asked for more documents.

Ihre Papiere, Bitte!

Restaurant Hostess is an entry level job, often the first for semi-ambitious 16yos. Attacking people in this position is an act of cowardice. Even the average person with no higher education in ethics or law instantly recognizes attacking bottom tier employees for what it is: a DICK move, and nothing greater. People who hack at the easy twigs of evil don't have the will to strike the root where it would really matter, because that would actually require meaningful and substantial courage and sacrifice on their part.

Automan Empire says

Restaurant Hostess is an entry level job, often the first for semi-ambitious 16yos. Attacking people in this position is an act of cowardice. Even the average person with no higher education in ethics or law instantly recognizes attacking bottom tier employees for what it is: a DICK move, and nothing greater. People who hack at the easy twigs of evil don't have the will to strike the root where it would really matter, because that would actually require meaningful and substantial courage and sacrifice on their part.

Then why did BLM attack people simply eating at restaurants? Why? Because it worked. It cowed everyone. Of course, it worked because they had the support of the politicians. I'm confused.

Automan Empire says

Patrick says

they are morally superior to everyone who simply goes along with the greatest crime ever to be perpetuated on humanity.

Clearly a horrible outcome of running with "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thinking. There was no moral superiority at play here. This was base uncivilized impulsive violence, not toward some lofty principle but reactive to the individual they invoked violence upon, and yet here you are reacting like they're at the pinnacle of the fucking Heinz Dilemma.

I disagree.

They absolutely did the right thing, and everyone else is just too cowardly to do it, and will also just get on cattle cars when told do to so.

The hostess was voluntarily acting as an agent of oppression, and therefore deserves no sympathy.

"Just following orders" is not a valid excuse.

Noch Einmal: why did the nano-Eichmann FOLLOW THE DAMNED RULES?

Could have pretended that all is fine and not asked for ID. Nothing would have happened to her.

Also, the violent ladies likely will go to jail for some time, so, perhaps unwillingly they have sacrificed and will bear consequences for their actions.

One can reasonably argue that following unconstitutional rules such as these is a slippery slope to situation shown in picture above. Enforcers of such rules should bear consequences for their actions, even if they are low-level employees.

WineHorror1 says

Then why did BLM attack people simply eating at restaurants?

IDK if you expected me to side with BLM on this. I think THOSE restaurant patrons, and employees, would be justified using violence BACK, to repel and stop an attack initiated by the other party (BLM.) Just as the restuarant in the story would have been justified applying force to repel the attack by the 3 ratchets from Texas.
In both cases, attacking average folk while leaving the actual overlords safe and untouched isn't a productive course of action. If parties in either case actually followed the advice of Saul Alinsky (as some critics might claim), they'd have recognized that these particular ends don't justify these particular means.

Using front line retail workers as proxies in an ideological battle is a jerk move; impotent toward the problem and putting misery where it's undeserved and already in plentiful supply.

If nothing else and all politics aside, attacking the powerless bottom retail worker should obviously be understood as a TACTICAL dead end. Learn to harness the power of treating them as an actual human being in shit circumstances. Recognize that you're actually potential allies with a mutual enemy. When this informs your behavior, you'll get better outcomes and actual systemic power and change over time.

Bd6r says

One can reasonably argue that following unconstitutional rules such as these is a slippery slope to situation shown in picture above. Enforcers of such rules should bear consequences for their actions, even if they are low-level employees.

I remember a quote from some Russian who survived the Stalinist times, who said that the solution would have been this:

When the secret police came in the middle of the night to arrest some dissident, everyone else in the apartment building should have immediately come out and beat the secret police to death.

When the secret police are scared, then the people are free. But not until then.

Patrick says

When the secret police are scared, then the people are free. But not until then.

I agree. My complaint in this thread is the chest-beaters are all too cowardly to stand up to the actual secret police, so they're cheering a cowardly act of aggression toward a powerless and easy target that they'd normally reflexively condemn. This restaurant hostess isn't a proxy for the secret police.

Automan Empire says

This restaurant hostess isn't a proxy for the secret police.

You're wrong about that.

The hostess is exactly and entirely a proxy for the secret police.

Automan Empire says

obviously be understood as a TACTICAL dead end

Do you have a plan? Care to share?

WineHorror1 says

Care to share?

It is written in my responses thus far. Treat the ground level employees as allies and fellow victims of our real mutual oppressors. Maybe they'll be motivated to let it go at that and you get your way. If not ask them peacefully to hand the matter off up the chain of command. The next manager up the chain will usually just do what the customer wants to appease them. There's no need to humiliate or harm the powerless ground level workers of the world, but it happens so constantly to them, you'd be surprised how far behaving reasonably in the face of problems gets you to unconventional solutions in your favor. That's the tactical way to deal with it,for the lobby of a Chili's or whatever isn't even the arena where this fight can be won and the real enemies threatened.

Automan Empire says

Treat the ground level employees as allies and fellow victims

If they are demanding your proof-of-jab card they are in no way allies with any human being.

They are willing tools of the oligarchy.

Automan Empire says

Treat the ground level employees as allies and fellow victims

Why do you assume they are all victims? Some of these people were more than happy to take the jab and some are very happy to have a new power over others. Don't assume.

Patrick says

When the secret police came in the middle of the night to arrest some dissident, everyone else in the apartment building should have immediately come out and beat the secret police to death.

And the next day "Interior Department" troops would have come and put the apartment dwellers before a firing squad.

Also note that in the case of the restaurant hostess, she was likely told by the boss she had to check ID. It is not unusual for heavy handed government agencies to send out ringers to see if the businesses are really checking, then grant heavy fines or closures for any violators. I can easily see that De Blasio would waste manpower doing such checks.

HeadSet says

Patrick says

When the secret police came in the middle of the night to arrest some dissident, everyone else in the apartment building should have immediately come out and beat the secret police to death.

And the next day "Interior Department" troops would have come and put the apartment dwellers before a firing squad.

Also note that in the case of the restaurant hostess, she was likely told by the boss she had to check ID. It is not unusual for heavy handed government agencies to send out ringers to see if the businesses are really checking, then grant heavy fines or closures for any violators. I can easily see that De Blasio would waste manpower doing such checks.

But they don't get into trouble if someone has a fake ID. It's not even their job. Just nod and let then in and eat when presented with a document

mell says

But they don't get into trouble if someone has a fake ID

There was no fake ID, the Black women refused to show an ID at all.

HeadSet says

mell says

But they don't get into trouble if someone has a fake ID

There was no fake ID, the Black women refused to show an ID at all.

The 22-year-old victim, who had only been on the job three weeks, asked the women for vaccination proof and then ID cards to match.

When she questioned the legitimacy of their vaccination cards, the out-of-town visitors got upset and lunged at her,

I don't want to eat at anyplace that does not want to feed me.

"Bake me that cake bigot!", is not going to get you good food.

The world has gone insane.

Onvacation says

The world has gone insane.

I agree, in that people ITT are apparently one request to show vax proof away from going full




I'm anti-covid-"vax", anti-mandate, and anti-Eichmann-of-any-size. I'm also against taking out frustrations on low level retail workers with no control over policies they must follow and enforce.

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'F**k Joe Biden!' New Yorkers Take to Streets to Protest Vaccine Mandates, Link COVID Rules to Nazis