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Why has there never once been a female army at any time in history?

By Patrick follow Patrick   2021 Sep 20, 3:12am 332 views   25 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


The military and the defense of national borders has always been a male occupation, at every time and place throughout history. Feminists would claim that this fact is merely cultural, but that is not plausible. It is certainly a result of human biology.

There have been no exceptions at all to this rule, ever. The legendary "Amazons" of Greek mythology were a myth, striking for the fact that such a thing has never actually happened.

Yes, there have been queens like Queen Victoria, but she was a symbol of the nation which men would fight for, and not a specifically military leader herself, nor was the British military hierarchy female. Even Queen Boudicca, who did make military decisions in how to fight the Romans, relied on a male military hierarchy and army of men.

Not even the Israelis have put women in direct combat roles. https://tsionizm.com/analysis/2019/05/25/women-in-the-israeli-defense-forces-separating-myth-from-reality/

I think the explanation is that men are inherently more concerned with the defense of borders and arrange themselves into hierarchies more readily that women do. Even among chimpanzees, it is the males who organize to defend the borders. The sex difference that old. Men's and women's minds are as different as their bodies are. Female chimpanzees not only do not care about territorial borders, they welcome invading males and find them sexy exactly because they have proven themselves in battle against their own males. Which is why their own males defend borders to begin with.

Even in the Amazon and New Guinea, the last places on earth to make contact with the larger world, war was always specifically a male occupation, and women the prizes of war.

And of course there are the obvious facts of physical sex differences such as the greater size and strength of men on average, which is true among all humans everywhere on earth. Men have larger jaws than women as an evolutionary adaptation to being hit in the jaw during fights with other men. These are effects of testosterone during development, which also makes men more aggressive. Men are physically adapted to tribal defense.

Borders maintain themselves from a kind of internal pressure against external forces. Were any country to dissolve any of its borders, as in John Lennon's song, it would certainly and quickly be invaded by the men of the bordering country. Countries expand until they run into other countries in which the men can resist them.

Women have always resented men for being assholes and always will, because men inherently tend to be assholes due to testosterone. Yet most women have wanted to be men at some time, maybe for the sense of adventure. This leads women to demand things like joining combat roles. But then they run into biological reality. The Israelis tried putting women in combat, but even they gave up on it. There was simply too much sexual disturbance in the ranks, and the physical training had to be greatly watered down for women, and when a few female Israeli soldiers were caught, repeatedly raped, and then tortured to death, it was ended.
1   clambo   ignore (5)   2021 Sep 20, 5:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There was a female who was a military and political leader of the Celts who fought the Roman invaders: Pretani.

The majority of those fighting would have been men, but women fought also.

The Romans named the place Britania after Queen Pretani.
2   HunterTits   ignore (4)   2021 Sep 20, 6:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Amazons were all women.

I know. I saw both Wonder Woman movies!
3   FuckCCP89   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 20, 9:02am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Most women have wanted to be men at some time. This leads women to demand things like joining combat roles.


I think there is a simpler explanation: afaik yuo can't get promoted to certain higher ranks/positions if all you did is serve in non-combat roles. Hence the push to allow weemenz in these roles. WE NEED MOAR GENERALS WITH VAGINAS. One Milley is not enough.
4   BayArea   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 20, 9:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thoughtful post, didn’t consider some of those points, thanks for sharing Patrick
5   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 20, 10:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

clambo says
The majority of those fighting would have been men, but women fought also.


The exception confirms the rule, as they say.
6   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 20, 11:10am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Why should they fight. All they have to do is fuck the winners, which is what they try to do anyway.
7   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2021 Sep 20, 11:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

(Googles for the image of pewdiepie surrounded by 300 screaming femnazis.)

Oh well, it would have been an epic post in the context of this thread. It's a damn shame the commies over at Google decided to destroy the very thing that made them Google in the first place. What in the fuck is their job description now, that they are a misserable fail as a search engine?
8   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Sep 20, 12:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/plausible-sociocultural-explanation-for-the-persistence-and-universality-of-gender-inequality-over-thousands-of-years/

This is a very long read which I admit I am not finished with. But it does ask a lot of important and realistic questions about why women are second class to men in every tribe and civilization ever. What is it about humanity in specific or general that foreordained that men would rule women and not the reverse?
Lots of food for thought in this one.
9   Shaman   ignore (2)   2021 Sep 20, 12:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
It's a damn shame the commies over at Google decided to destroy the very thing that made them Google in the first place. What in the fuck is their job description now, that they are a misserable fail as a search engine?


They aren’t a search engine. They’re an advertisement platform/cartel and information gathering and selling service.
And they aren’t serving you! They’re serving the rich who wish to maximally exploit you!
10   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 20, 12:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Amazons are legendary; probably based on the fact that a tiny handful of noblewomen (from the top 10%) of nomads from Ukraine fought as horse archers. We're talking maybe 1 in 50 or 100, about the same as the est. Lesbian population. Most ancients prohibited it entirely and nobody thought of it.

Few other women have fought, though they might have been leaders due to charisma... like Joan d'Arc, who never actually went toe-to-toe with an English Knight, or she would have been totally pulverized.

The real whopper is that there are no matriarchies. Competition quickly eliminates any matriarchy, if any ever existed (note matrilineal != matriarchy, and one Grandma on a council with 5 men from War Chief, Medicine Man, Big Clan leaders, etc. is not a matriarchy). And even then it's Grandma, never an unmarried, childless woman.
11   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 20, 12:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Why has there never once been a female army at any time in history?

Because of:

1. Females are on average much physically weaker than males, which was (and is) important for bashing other person's head in during a conflict, and
2. It is enough that 1 male out of hundred survive in a tribe; he can fertilize 100 females and tribe will not go extinct. The other way around, 1 female and 100 males surviving means that tribe will go extinct. So, survival of males is irrelevant on grand scheme of things as their physiological function is easily replaced, while survival of females is quite important. Hence, they tend not to participate in dangerous activities.

Simple enough, I think.
12   Bd6r   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 20, 12:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
Amazons are legendary

Amazons are sexual fantasies of Greeks, I think
13   Tenpoundbass   ignore (16)   2021 Sep 20, 12:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Google:"In America, Americans don't use Google, Google uses them!"
also Google to Russia "Would you like us to hold your beer?"
Russia "Nope! We're Good."
14   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 20, 12:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Female hunters are rare, too, beyond the opportunistic smack a squirrel on the head while picking berries among hunter-gatherers.
15   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 Sep 20, 2:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I read a story once about Amazons keeping a couple of men in cages for constant sexual intercourse to impregnate female Amazon breeders. Of course, the male children were killed and the men in cages were captured from outside to maintain genetic diversity. I was kind of jealous of the men, but the story made it clear they were treated badly and when they became too exhausted to perform, they were killed and replacements were kidnapped.

Anthony Zamora has a Bad Tube video which demonstrates by following male genetic markers that in the hunter gatherer past, on average one man out of seven managed to hog most of the reproduction. At times, that ratio would go up to one man in twelve. So, that meant that the majority of men were sidelined from reproduction through competition, war, murder, resource sequestration, early death etc. Zamora also said during times of extreme cold, the ratio of women to men would increase a lot instead of the present day 1:1 ratio, and there were fewer men relative the female population.

Men are fungible, women aren't because of the chain of reproduction. Women die in war, but even aside from the issues of strength and vulnerability, you just don't send your reproductive assets to be killed up front. Past genocides always concentrated mostly on men, secondarily on women.
16   clambo   ignore (5)   2021 Sep 20, 3:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Celt warriors factoids:
They liked to cover their bodies with dye, I think blue, wearing a necklace called a torque, which they believed protected them.
They may have fought in the nude, screaming and blue, they must have been a sight.
17   richwicks   ignore (3)   2021 Sep 20, 6:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Tenpoundbass says
What in the fuck is their job description now, that they are a misserable fail as a search engine?


Propagandists.

It's always been known that the intelligence agencies were in bed with Google. There were rumors in early 2000's that NSA had a secret room inside of Google HQ. When Google's "Alphabet" company SOMEHOW became their parent company in around 2013, everybody was like "that's interesting, Alphabet.." - it's a joke on the Alphabet agencies, engineers like to be kind of sly thinking "well, no normie can put 2 and 2 together".

Google will always get government contracts, they'll always be flush with money, but they won't be relevant to anybody making any serious use of the Internet in 10 years.
18   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2021 Sep 20, 7:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Because females in army is retardation.

Soldiers die, if women die = no one to make babies left. Country is finished. Only American government just wants to replace us all.

Plus women are fucking weak and will get killed in combat.
19   Reality   ignore (8)   2021 Sep 20, 8:26pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Armies are almost always made of men because at the prime fighting ages, men are expendable where as women of reproductive age are not expendable.

As to why traditional/self-preserving societies and religions usually promote male leadership over women:

1. religions and self-preserving societies are products of memic evolution. They teach women to accept an inferior role while ignoring the obvious expendability of young men mentioned above (and most old men, and old women)

2. women only see the top 20% of men. They don't see expendable men who have died in combat or become beggars or get incarcerated at 10:1 ratio "inequality" . . . only the top <1% thugs in jail get laid by female guards. Obviously the top 20% of a population is superior to the average of a comparable population.

3. If a society/religion promotes women are superior to even the top 20% visible men, then the women wouldn't want to fuck that top 20% either (due to female hypergamy) and would want the society/religion to be conquered by foreign invaders (and would still be able to count on being served by enslaved native males after the conquest)

The last point also make women unsuitable for leadership roles in an army. While there have been female armies or female military leaders in extremely rare instances; they were almost always infamous for defeat and being raped. e.g. Boudica (losing badly despite 10+:1 numerical advantage).
20   NDrLoR   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 20, 9:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Fortwaynemobile says
women are fucking weak and will get killed in combat
Or worse, get a man killed whose instinct is to protect her when he wouldn't protect another man. Of course, there are the instances where a man has thrown himself onto a grenade to save other men, but that comes from the heroic instinct of men.
21   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 30, 3:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


Tokugawa Ieyasu, the original founder of the Tokugawa Shogunate, had a book of governmental advice he prepared for his heirs. ... In any House, the function of the man is to defend it against external enemies, while the role of the woman to keep harmonious internal order. If one sees a House where these roles are reversed, and the woman is dominant, it is called 'the disorder of the crowing hen', and is a sure sign of the fall of the House.
22   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2021 Sep 30, 7:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ha, got you a funny story. Was talking to this young woman relative, who claims frequently that we men are sexist when we say common sense phrases like "attractive women find better men" or "men are stronger than women". So yesterday she told me that her work is too hard for her because she's a woman and women aren't supposed to work that hard. I for kicks just asked her if that's sexist. She gave me one of those looks like "you got me there".

It's all friendly chatter of course.

But yeah women, they all like to test men and talk equality, to sound all cool and independent. But moment actual equality of effort comes, they run for the hills. Don't see any women lining up to do construction work or plumbing out here. And carrying heavy things... forget it. Even for feminists that's clearly a mans job. It is funny though.
23   MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 30, 8:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And garbage, man do they hate dealing with trash.
24   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Sep 30, 8:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Why has there never once been a female army at any time in history?

A battalion or a battleship filled with women whos menses have synchronized, who then attack an enemy, would be a war crime. This is why.
25   NDrLoR   ignore (1)   2021 Sep 30, 9:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HeadSet says
A battalion or a battleship
Can you imagine fighting World War II with the mentality that exists today? Imagine Doris Day, Peggy Lee or Boppa Lula landing on the beaches of Normandy! Doris Day could put the enemy to sleep with one of her slow, dreary ballads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B2Gryo9gnY

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