2021 Oct 10, 5:41pm
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@mell I'm pretty sure they don't have to follow those rules, because the rules apply to businesses which can have their licenses revoked.The PMA has no license, so it cannot be revoked.Another good tip: A PMA does not have to let anyone in without a warrant, ever. At the presentation I went to, the woman told how the state will indeed try to send inspectors to private education PMAs to look for "health code" infringements because the state is very jealous of its power and therefore hates PMAs. But all that needs to be done is to never let them in without a correctly filled-out and signed warrant. It's also helpful to know everything that has to be filled in on a warrant so you can reject invalid warrants, which is another strategy they use.
Right, from what I understand so far, a PMA that has a bar and a restaurant is no different that someone serving alcohol and food in his own home. No license needed.On the other hand, the people serving the food could be sued if they make someone sick unless there is an agreement in place, so PMAs have constitutions and by-laws that members have to agree to, and those rules are a private contract between people.
Right, a true PMA would not have a business license at all, because it isn't a business.
I would be interested in setting on one up. The talk I went to was by a woman who was of course charging for her advice and custom PMA charter. She charges $1800. That does not seem to be really needed imho. Some self-education should suffice.
Last week, New York City said the Nets' practice facility, the HSS Training Center, is a private business and not subject to vaccine mandates, which allows Irving to join the team for practice.
PMAs would be exceptionally useful in building a parallel society
Wasn’t Wookiee thinking of setting one of these up in his own town?
Just need more people. I think some people don't understand the idea of it. It's a hard sell to drop $5k for a hang out space. Starting to realize some of my friends brag about money they don't have.
Just to clarify, a private club that is members only with dues that has a bar and restaurant does not operate on a business license?
in CA, ANY kitchen serving food is subject to inspection and incredibly detailed regulation
What if you have a dinner for other people in your house? How is that different from a PMA?
And I am sure that liquor laws apply to the clubs that serve alcohol.
Seems to be a thing in New Hampshire according to my brother in law.
Private organization in a commercial building is absolutely categorically different from guests in a private domicile. This will absolutely NOT fly as an exemption for operating a kitchen in a zoned commercial space, no matter how you charter or self-classify your organization.
It's all fun until someone you served gets a DUI afterward. At best they'll throw you under the bus to try to deflect heat for a heavy citation. At worst you are held criminally and financially responsible for damage, injury, and death if there's an accident. If your organization was required by law to have a liquor license and you didn't that's a whole new suite of problems you'll then have to deal with.
I'm saying that it should not be in a commercial building.
Ed 2 to add. Some areas, the utilities will not connect service until the city provides you a "certificate of occupancy" which means your intended use getting pre-vetted by the city.