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The Amish Are Doing Fine Without The Vaxx


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2021 Oct 11, 9:49am   1,486 views  33 comments

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When it comes to actions taken to address the Covid-19 threat, hindsight is still very much underway. For your consideration: a story and outcome you probably aren't hearing much about anywhere else. It takes place in the heart of Amish country.

Lancaster County, Pennsylvania: thousands of families lead lives largely separate from modern America.

The Amish are a Christian group that emphasizes the virtuous over the superficial. They don’t usually drive, use electricity, or have TVs. And during the Covid-19 outbreak, they became subjects in a massive social and medical experiment.

Sharyl: So, it's safe to say there was a whole different approach here in this community when coronavirus broke out than many other places?

Calvin Lapp: Absolutely.

Calvin Lapp is Amish Mennonite.

Lapp: There’s three things the Amish don't like. And that's government— they won't get involved in the government, they don't like the public education system— they won't send their children to education, and they also don't like the health system. They rip us off. Those are three things that we feel like we're fighting against all the time. Well, those three things are all part of what Covid is.

After a short shutdown last year, the Amish chose a unique path that led to Covid-19 tearing through at warp speed. It began with an important religious holiday in May.

Lapp: When they take communion, they dump their wine into a cup and they take turns to drink out of that cup. So, you go the whole way down the line, and everybody drinks out of that cup, if one person has coronavirus, the rest of church is going to get coronavirus. The first time they went back to church, everybody got coronavirus.

Lapp says they weren’t denying coronavirus, they were facing it head on.

Lapp: It’s a worse thing to quit working than dying. Working is more important than dying. But to shut down and say that we can't go to church, we can't get together with family, we can't see our old people in the hospital, we got to quit working? It's going completely against everything that we believe. You're changing our culture completely to try to act like they wanted us to act the last year, and we're not going to do it.

Steve Nolt is a scholar on Amish and Mennonite culture, and Mennonite himself. He’s studying Amish news publications to analyze community-wide trends.

Sharyl: So, are you saying, as of about May of 2020, things kind of went back to normal in the Amish community?

Steve Nolt: For the most part, yeah, by the middle of May, it's sort of like back to a typical behavior again.

That also meant avoiding hospitals.

Nolt: I know of some cases in which Amish people refused to go to the hospital, even when they were very sick because if they went there, they wouldn't be able to have visitors. And it was more important to be sick, even very sick at home and have the ability to have some people around you than to go to the hospital and be isolated.

Then, last March, remarkable news. The Lancaster County Amish were reported to be the first community to achieve “herd immunity,” meaning a large part of a population had been infected with Covid-19 and became immune.

Some outsiders are skeptical, and solid proof is hard to come by.

Nolt: Even those who believed that they had Covid tended not to get tested. Their approach tended to be, “I'm sick. I know I'm sick. I don't have to have someone else telling me I'm sick.” Or a concern that if they got a positive test, they would then be asked to really dramatically limit what they were doing in a way that might be uncomfortable for them. So, we don't have that testing number.

Lapp: We didn't want the numbers to go up, because then they would shut things more. What's the advantage of getting a test?

One thing’s clear: there's no evidence of any more deaths among the Amish than in places that shut down tight— some claim there were fewer here. That’s without masking, staying at home, or another important measure.

Sharyl: Did most of the community, at least the adults, get the Covid-19 vaccine?

Nolt: Again, we don't have data on that, but I think it's pretty clear that in percentage terms, relatively few did.

Lapp: Oh, we're glad all the English people got their Covid vaccines. That's great. Because now we don't have to wear a mask, we can do what we want. So good for you. Thank you. We appreciate it. Us? No, we're not getting vaccines. Of course not. We all got the Covid, so why would you get a vaccine?

By staying open, the Amish here have one tangible 2020 accomplishment few others can claim.

Lapp: We have this joke: when everybody else started walking, we started running. We made more money in the last year than we ever did. It was our best year ever.

Did the Amish really find a magic formula? They say yes. And they don’t care who doubts it.

Lapp: Yeah, all the Amish know we got herd immunity. Of course we got herd immunity! The whole church gets coronavirus. We know we got coronavirus. We think we’re smarter than everybody. We shouldn’t be bragging, but we think we did the right thing.

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2   Patrick   2021 Nov 29, 10:18pm  

https://thepulse.one/2021/11/25/the-amish-took-a-different-approach-to-covid-it-appears-to-have-worked/


How Amish Communities Achieved “Herd Immunity” Without Higher Death Rates, Lockdowns, Masks, Or Vaccines

The Facts:
Amish communities of thousands in Lancaster, PA chose to not lockdown and instead went on with life in 2020.
Their communities were infected by COVID but death rates were not any higher than other places.
They lived life normally, did not wear masks and stuck to their values and culture. ...

What is clear is, there is no evidence that there was any more death amongst the Amish than in any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated. The Amish took an approach they thought of, felt good about, and that aligned with the community – an approach grounded in self reliance and self responsibility. This as opposed to taking orders from government.

The good news for the Amish in this community is that natural immunity has been shown to be very robust time and time again. With the latest data indicating it is the best protection against re-infection and severe disease.
3   Ceffer   2021 Nov 29, 10:24pm  

This means we MUST drone the Amish. The embarrassment of such a control group must not be tolerated and cannot leak out any further.
4   Patrick   2022 Aug 17, 8:44am  

https://www.rebelnews.com/amish_farm_under_threat_from_us_federal_govt_for_refusal_to_abandon_traditional_farming_practices


Amish farm under threat from U.S. federal govt for refusal to abandon traditional farming practices
Amos Miller, the farm's owner, contends that he’s preparing food the way God intended — but the United States government doesn’t see things that way.
5   NuttBoxer   2022 Aug 17, 3:18pm  

I posted about that guy, and donated to his legal fund. Food is SO critical to good health.
6   richwicks   2022 Aug 17, 3:32pm  

Patrick says

What is clear is, there is no evidence that there was any more death amongst the Amish than in any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.


As time goes on, I think it will become clear that among the Amish, they will have done better than any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.
7   WookieMan   2022 Aug 17, 3:55pm  

richwicks says

Patrick says


What is clear is, there is no evidence that there was any more death amongst the Amish than in any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.


As time goes on, I think it will become clear that among the Amish, they will have done better than any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.

Don't even have to be Amish. Get the flying fuck out of cities would and has been my tip. Preferably some place with 5k or less population if you still want some basic amenities, but non-big box amenities like a Walmart or Target. Those are best 20-30 minutes away one way. Pain for some, and I know users here dislike Amazon, but it's amazing in the country/rural. Actually 2k or under would be better population wise.

Many/most of your neighbors will have a gun(s). Generally crime free, again too risky for crime against other people not knowing if they have a gun or not out in the "sticks."

If you have to go into an office and it's a long drive, get a hybrid of some sort and music/podcast/audiobook on the drive. The one time I'll support getting a Tesla for the self drive feature (I know you're not suppose to use it that way). Never use public transportation unless you like drinking and/or sitting in piss and puke and paying for that experience. Potentially getting robbed.

With people adapting to zoom and video services like that, a vast majority of white collar workers have no need for an office. The real estate brokerage I managed was a 10x10 room in an office tower downtown Chicago. No one ever was there. We literally just had a box with the files required to be on site for an audit by IDFPR. Which did happen. Twice I think. I ran a tight ship though so it was a nothing burger.

Going to college in Chicago was fun. After that it was gay. I legit don't want to go to a major city again besides airports. I'm fucked though because the wife want to visit the East Coast #barf (sorry to our East Coaster users). She's trying to get me on board to do Germany for Spring Break (we have 10 days). #fuckthat. I'm a beach and beer guy when I travel. Or mountains and beer. Some of my best hikes involves 20-30lbs of beer on my back. Lava Lake in-between Big Sky and Bozeman was awesome. 12 beers, 6 White Claws and 4 Gatorades for the kids. ~1k hike up elevation wise over 2.5M. Fucking stupid, but fun.

You guys in urban areas need to get rural. You will thank me.
8   Patrick   2022 Aug 17, 4:01pm  

Hey, if you like beer, Germany really does have the best in the world. And some great mountains in the south.
9   mell   2022 Aug 17, 4:19pm  

WookieMan says

richwicks says


Patrick says



What is clear is, there is no evidence that there was any more death amongst the Amish than in any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.


As time goes on, I think it will become clear that among the Amish, they will have done better than any place that shut down their economies, wore masks, and were vaccinated.


Don't even have to be Amish. Get the flying fuck out of cities would and has been my tip. Preferably some place with 5k or less population if you still want some basic amenities, but non-big box amenities like a Walmart or Target. Those are best 20-30 minutes away one way. Pain for some, and I know users here dislike Amazon, but it's amazing in the country/rural. Actually 2k or under would be better population w...

Plenty of mountains and beer, and even coast (north/east) in Germany
10   richwicks   2022 Aug 17, 5:45pm  

WookieMan says

You guys in urban areas need to get rural. You will thank me.


Depends on how rural it is. If it's below 1000 people, I know from experience that it's an end to your anonymity. If your wife has an affair in such a town, the last person in the entire town to know it will be you. There's constant gossip about everybody. I hated growing up there.

Minimum size for a white collar job is at least 10,000 people I would say.
11   WookieMan   2022 Aug 17, 5:50pm  

Patrick says

Hey, if you like beer, Germany really does have the best in the world. And some great mountains in the south.

The problem is I drink shitty beer. Germany has no appeal to me. I can get to plenty of good mountains on a 3 hour flight from Chicago. East or west coast. Even though not tall the Smokies are beautiful and I can drive in the time it takes me to fly to Germany.

Montana, Wyoming, parts of Utah and Idaho are my jam. I'd rather go to Alaska. As far away from a major city as I can be. A touch difficult in Germany and Europe in general is my understanding. As a history major I have no interest in European history or museums. I don't do public transportation. Maybe a river cruise? Brother in law will be doing his thing though, so not sure that's possible. 3 kids as well. It has no appeal to me at all.

Mediterranean countries maybe. Greece for sure, maybe Spain. I generally don't like people, but most Europeans, from Europeans I've encountered are pure shit and ass holes. At least ones that travel. Haven't been, but I lean Southeast Asia and Australia/NZ. Southern Pacific basically in that hemisphere (not Africa).
12   AmericanKulak   2022 Aug 17, 8:17pm  

Real Ale, not Lagers. Basic beer is stupid easy. Make a couple of ready-made batches from malt, then one or two partial mash, then you're good to make full mash beer. I got the latter down on my first try, though it's been a while.
13   richwicks   2022 Aug 17, 8:25pm  

WookieMan says


The problem is I drink shitty beer.


This will ruin you, but go to literally any brewery you can find and buy a growler. You'll be done with shitty beer. I can drink that on hot days, but it's really horrible beer.

WookieMan says


Mediterranean countries maybe. Greece for sure, maybe Spain. I generally don't like people, but most Europeans, from Europeans I've encountered are pure shit and ass holes.


Be nice anyhow.

I grew up in the pigfuckville nowhere. MY experience is that if you're in nowheresville, if you're not an asshole you're treated well, but this is limited to the United States. I loved visiting small towns all over the nation - as long as I wasn't "what a craphole you live in, city X is so much better!" and I instead said stuff like "this is such a charming town. It's gorgeous, everybody is so nice" blah blah blah, I had a great time.

I wasn't being ironic or disingenuous either, they really were nice towns, and everybody was polite, and it was charming. Appreciate what is around you. These are people that rejected big city living - they aren't wrong - however, it's very different. Where I live now, I can walk 3 minutes and go to a major food store, and 3 small stores that sell real food, and 2 fast food crapholes, 4 REAL food places, and I'm not in a metropolitan area. That convenience ends in the woods.

I do love the variety of the United States. Lived in 5 states. We still have unique cultures, or did, 20 years ago. It may have changed considerably, but little places, they kind of stick.
14   NuttBoxer   2022 Aug 17, 8:34pm  

WookieMan says

The problem is I drink shitty beer.


You should really do something about that. Don't have to go to Germany to get German beer. Paulner is pretty common, and there's a few other breweries from there with pretty good distribution.
15   NuttBoxer   2022 Aug 17, 8:39pm  

AmericanKulak says

Real Ale, not Lagers.


Hey, nothing wrong with good(micro-brew) lagers. Especially this time of year. It's a style that was mostly ignored by the craft beer industry until about five years ago. I prefer wild yeast sours, but I'll go for a good lager when I can find it.

One that's starting to become rare now days is a bitter IPA. Everything is cloudy and floral. I actually bought a six pack of Stone IPA for the first time in five years just to get something bitter.
16   WookieMan   2022 Aug 18, 4:13am  

NuttBoxer says

You should really do something about that.

I appreciated the advice. I've drank over probably 800 varieties of beer. My buddy and I would each grab a 6 pack, once or twice a week in my younger years. We'd share them and try them out (4 a week for roughly 2 years). We'd cut the cardboard and pin it to the wall. We eventually filled a 15x8' wall with 6 pack cardboard.

He actually through this found out he can't drink he favorite beer. Wheat/glutton or whatever allergy. I don't "know" beer or claim to be an expert, but I've tried almost everything that is marketable on a national and local scale.

I only say shitty beer too because people are snobs about it. I also need to stick with light beer in all honesty. I can have 3-4 of those and feel fine the next day, but heavy beers I feel like shit, even if I like the taste.
17   NuttBoxer   2022 Aug 18, 9:58am  

WookieMan says

He actually through this found out he can't drink he favorite beer. Wheat/glutton or whatever allergy.


I've seen gluten free beer.

WookieMan says

I only say shitty beer too because people are snobs about it. I also need to stick with light beer in all honesty. I can have 3-4 of those and feel fine the next day, but heavy beers I feel like shit, even if I like the taste.


I used to drink Russian Imperial Stouts when I was younger, can't do it anymore. I mentioned sours, they're low on sugar, and lower on alcohol. Nothing wrong with sticking to what you enjoy, and what doesn't mess you up. Just saying there's so many small brewers who make quality beer, including lighter and lower alcohol varieties, that we should never shut ourselves off from a new experience.

One of the best beers I've ever had was around 3%.
18   Patrick   2022 Aug 18, 1:00pm  

NuttBoxer says

Don't have to go to Germany to get German beer.


Sadly, they pasteurize what they export, which is like pasteurizing a delicate flower. Just kills it.
20   Leo1980   2022 Sep 25, 1:31pm  

Augustiner Edelstoff... unfortunately it gets rarely exported from Germany. But I leave crazy California anyway
21   Patrick   2023 Jun 1, 9:21am  

https://www.eutimes.net/2023/05/the-amish-rejected-covid-vaccines-lockdowns-and-masks-the-result-30x-less-deaths/


Amish communities rejected Covid vaccines, refused to wear masks, and went about their normal daily activities while the rest of America was turned upside-down.

According to the CDC and mainstream media, the Amish were set to suffer from excess death due to Covid. In reality, the exact opposite happened.

The mainstream media will not touch this story because it completely dismantles the entire establishment narrative. It shows that all the COVID interventions were completely unnecessary.

While mainstream America was suffering through lockdowns, school closures and mask-related madness, the Amish returned to normal in May 2020. Read that again.

The Amish achieved herd immunity before the vaccines were even available.

Even if the vaccine worked and was safe, there was simply no reason for them to take the vaccine because 90% had already been infected in 2020. Taking a vaccine after you’ve already got natural immunity is nonsensical and counterproductive. However, in the US, we were told to get the vaccine even if we recovered from COVID. Many people lost their livelihoods if they did not comply. ...

This all happened because voices of reason were silenced. Free speech, debate, etc. was tossed out the window. Any doctor who stood against the “consensus” was crushed into oblivion.

The leaders of America need to stop listening to the people they trusted, and start listening to the people they labeled “misinformation spreaders.” They got it completely backwards.

You should never trust the CDC, mainstream media, or members of Congress again until they admit their mistakes, vow never to support censorship again, and always listen to people on both sides of an issue before making a decision.
22   Ceffer   2023 Jun 1, 11:20am  

The Amish all died from Covid. Everybody knows that. They have joined Tiffany Dover in the irreconcilable void.
23   zzyzzx   2023 Jun 1, 11:50am  

Obligatory:
Unrated scene from the movie "Sex Drive" - not in the normal version of this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz40dXTASDA
24   DhammaStep   2023 Jun 1, 12:58pm  

zzyzzx says

Obligatory:
Unrated scene from the movie "Sex Drive" - not in the normal version of this movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz40dXTASDA

Hah! I forgot about that film. Was a good drunk raunchy time with the boys many years ago.

The answer is obvious though. It is clear that the Amish are behind COVID and the vaccine. Their depopulation and Amishification plan is full speed ahead.
25   richwicks   2023 Jun 1, 6:22pm  

DhammaStep says

The answer is obvious though. It is clear that the Amish are behind COVID and the vaccine. Their depopulation and Amishification plan is full speed ahead.


As an engineer, I don't know if it would be that awful to be Amish.

We created all this tech, and I don't know if it works. The whole point was so everybody could be on the same playing field of knowledge, and there's just endless bullshit and it takes a LOT OF TIME, to sort out the bullshit from the information.

And the playing field isn't even either. Try to make a video about global warming is bullshit on youtube. Good luck.
26   pudil   2023 Jun 1, 6:39pm  

I’m going to start the new Amish but I’m going to pause technology at 1999.

We had cell phones, computers, simple internet, video stores where you could rent any movie. Great music that you owned on cds that you bought. Fight club came out.

No social media, pornhub, ai, or transgenders. People were cool with gays, but no pride month.

1999 was the last good year.
27   HeadSet   2023 Jun 2, 8:15am  

pudil says

1999 was the last good year.

In 2035, you may be writing:

"2025 was the last good year. No 15-minute cities and people could actually own cars and drive anywhere at will. Pedophilia was illegal and not celebrated as part of Pride Month. We didn't have a social credit score. People were free to date who they choose without social credit downgrades for refusing a transgender, gay or someone outside their race. Women had separate shower and bath facilities."
28   Patrick   2023 Jun 28, 1:02pm  

https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/the-amish-died-of-covid-at-a-rate


So, you look at the Amish. I did the calculation. Let’s say there were five Amish people — because people say, I think there were maybe a few, or maybe there were five Amish people. And then I asked them, okay, can you name them? And nobody can name them.

But let’s say that we could name them — and there were five Amish people who died. That means the Amish died at a rate 90 times lower than the infection fatality rate of the United States of America. The Amish died at 90 times lower rate from COVID than America — than the rest of America.

Now, how is that possible? It’s possible because the Amish aren’t vaccinated. And because the Amish didn’t follow a single guideline of the CDC. They did not lock down. They did not mask. They did not social distance, They did not vaccinate, and there were no mandates in the Amish community to get vaccinated. They basically ignored every single guideline that the CDC gave us. Ignoring those guidelines meant a death rate 90 times lower than the rest of America.

So you talk about taking guidance from the WHO? Why don’t we copy what works? In fact, wouldn’t it be great to say in the next pandemic that Pennsylvania will take guidance from the Amish instead of the WHO? And you will be much, much better off.
32   Onvacation   2024 Mar 19, 4:35pm  

Many of us noticed early in the pandemic the lack of homeless deaths. It was pretty obvious that this disease could not be too dangerous if the homeless, often of poor health with little healthcare, weren't dying en masse.
33   Patrick   2024 Mar 19, 8:17pm  

True! I saw for myself that the SF homeless were doing fine all through the "pandemic". So it wasn't really a pandemic at all. It was bullshit used to justify mail-in ballots and to make money.

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