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1   NDrLoR   2021 Oct 14, 8:36am  

We all know how smart "experts" are, but in this case they're probably right.
2   Misc   2021 Oct 14, 8:40am  

Nothing that a few thousand workers getting fired for not getting the vaxx won't cure.

or was Biden talking about the extra 60k Hattians coming up from Panama --- you know his supply of new voters.
3   Automan Empire   2021 Oct 14, 8:48am  

Supply chains have been hosed for MONTHS, yet people keep referring to the problems in a future-ish tense. In my industry (auto repair) inventories have gotten dicey, to where an order of parts for one job has to be pulled and shuttled from 2-3 regional warehouses because all of the local ones have growing empty space on the shelves. Even mundane things like the lift supports for a tailgate. I had a lady calling me every day for hers like I was magically going to build a fab plant and do a two-off production run just for her. One morning I saw 5 pop up in one distant warehouse of the supplier. Ordered 2, and by the time I closed out my order the other 3 had also sold out.

I've been looking at sawmills, and all the manufacturers have on their websites, "Now taking orders for delivery in 2022-2023."
4   NDrLoR   2021 Oct 14, 8:54am  

Automan Empire says
by the time I closed out my order the other 3 had also sold out
I was hoping you'd say you bought them all! Could have put them on eBay with a huge Buy-it-Now, but EB is a lot of nuisance in many ways.
5   Shaman   2021 Oct 14, 9:39am  

Need labor. Not enough people working to unload cargo and put it on trucks. The ILWU and PMA need to make some changes to the way labor is scheduled and trained if this is ever to be fixed. They can threaten to run the port 24/7 all they want but the fact of the matter is that most of our cranes are sitting idle not being used because there are not enough workers to run them.
6   Patrick   2021 Oct 14, 9:55am  

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/RWMaloneMD/status/1448378197104529410#m


Robert W Malone, MD
@RWMaloneMD
20h
This guy just cannot resist the urge to go authoritarian on people. It's like the only tool in his chest. Someone needs to take him aside and give him a good talking.

The Hill: Biden threatens to call out companies that don't help end supply bottlenecks

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/576617-biden-threatens-to-call-out-companies-that-dont-help-end-supply

8   RWSGFY   2021 Oct 14, 1:42pm  

Shaman says
Need labor. Not enough people working to unload cargo and put it on trucks. The ILWU and PMA need to make some changes to the way labor is scheduled and trained if this is ever to be fixed. They can threaten to run the port 24/7 all they want but the fact of the matter is that most of our cranes are sitting idle not being used because there are not enough workers to run them.


I heard crane operators make crazy dough. How long does it take to train one?
9   Shaman   2021 Oct 14, 3:38pm  

So we all know that the Biden administration is fascist: that is it depends on partnering with corporations and industry to enact its authoritarian impulses since it has neither a clear legislative capacity nor a mandate from the voting public with whom it is rapidly losing all favor. But what happens if corporations abandon it? Answer: it’s hosed. Loses all ability to govern and can’t enforce any more mandates.

Enter the shipping crisis which actively threatens Christmas shopping and the profits that nearly every corporation relies upon to make it into the black for the year. If the Biden administration can’t fix this problem, it’s going to be a very bad Grinchmas for corporations which have allied with it, and they’re going to abandon him like rats off a sinking super tanker.

That is why there is all this sudden focus on a problem that has been ongoing for a solid year. Sure it’s worse right now than ever before, but it’s been bad for a year, as @automan empire mentioned.

If Biden or his handlers can’t figure this out, they’re fucking done!
I’ll try to do my part.
Let’s go Brandon!
10   Shaman   2021 Oct 14, 3:54pm  

FuckCCP89 says
I heard crane operators make crazy dough. How long does it take to train one?


Maybe a month of actual training. But probably five times that in experience before they’re decent and can move cans with efficiency, which is crucial to prices of shipping and cargo handling. Most people could do it, but not if they’re afraid of heights. The cranes I work on have their cabs at 165 feet above the dock. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest, but I’ve been doing this for twenty years.

I have to say it is weird to see photos and video of my workplace in the news constantly.
11   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2021 Oct 14, 4:13pm  

Another incompetent affirmative action pick, because - feeelinzzzz…
12   HeadSet   2021 Oct 14, 4:55pm  

Shaman says
I have to say it is weird to see photos and video of my workplace in the news constantly.

Are you out working there now, possible with extended hours?
13   RWSGFY   2021 Oct 14, 7:13pm  

Shaman says
Maybe a month of actual training. But probably five times that in experience before they’re decent and can move cans with efficiency, which is crucial to prices of shipping and cargo handling. Most people could do it, but not if they’re afraid of heights. The cranes I work on have their cabs at 165 feet above the dock. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest, but I’ve been doing this for twenty years.


Hmmm. Are there any other barriers for entry beside training and not fearing hights? Age?
14   Patrick   2021 Oct 30, 9:01am  

https://babylonbee.com/news/supply-chain-crisis-solved-as-each-migrant-coming-into-country-will-be-asked-to-help-carry-a-shipping-container




"Migrant" my ass though. They are ILLEGALS who are here to commit a crime by stealing jobs from the poorest US citizens, mostly from black people.
15   RWSGFY   2021 Oct 30, 10:40am  

Patrick says
They are ILLEGALS who are here to commit a crime by stealing jobs from the poorest US citizens, mostly from black people.


Blackies reliably vote Dem, don't they? So they literally voted for this.
16   HeadSet   2021 Oct 30, 11:14am  

FuckCCP89 says
Patrick says
They are ILLEGALS who are here to commit a crime by stealing jobs from the poorest US citizens, mostly from black people.


Blackies reliably vote Dem, don't they? So they literally voted for this.

The blacks who voted for that feel that the illegals are needed to pick and process food so those Blacks will have something to buy with their welfare money.
17   Patrick   2021 Nov 2, 12:36am  

https://medium.com/@ryan79z28/im-a-twenty-year-truck-driver-i-will-tell-you-why-america-s-shipping-crisis-will-not-end-bbe0ebac6a91


I’m fortunate enough to be a Teamster — a union driver — an employee paid by the hour. Most port drivers are ‘independent contractors’, leased onto a carrier who is paying them by the load. Whether their load takes two hours, fourteen hours, or three days to complete, they get paid the same, and they have to pay 90% of their truck operating expenses (the carrier might pay the other 10%, but usually less.) The rates paid to non-union drivers for shipping container transport are usually extremely low. In a majority of cases, these drivers don’t come close to my union wages. They pay for all their own repairs and fuel, and all truck related expenses. I honestly don’t understand how many of them can even afford to show up for work. There’s no guarantee of ANY wage (not even minimum wage), and in many cases, these drivers make far below minimum wage. In some cases they work 70 hour weeks and still end up owing money to their carrier.

So when the coastal ports started getting clogged up last spring due to the impacts of COVID on business everywhere, drivers started refusing to show up. Congestion got so bad that instead of being able to do three loads a day, they could only do one. They took a 2/3 pay cut and most of these drivers were working 12 hours a day or more. While carriers were charging increased pandemic shipping rates, none of those rate increases went to the driver wages. Many drivers simply quit. However, while the pickup rate for containers severely decreased, they were still being offloaded from the boats. And it’s only gotten worse. ...

Container companies have already decreased the maximum allowable times before containers have to be back to the port, and if the congestion is so bad that you can’t get the container back into the port when it is due, the container company can charge massive late fees.


Lol, so if they won't let you bring your container back into the port on time because it's too backed up, they charge you more and if you're an independent driver, you're screwed and just give up and don't go to the port anymore. Too risky.
18   Patrick   2021 Nov 2, 12:42am  

https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/01/supply-chain-crisis-accents-how-much-we-need-blue-collar-jobs/


As of last week, about 100 container ships are waiting to unload goods at the port of Long Beach and Los Angeles. It can take 8,000 trucks to unload a single container ship. A labor shortage is why these hundreds and thousands of containers filled with toys, shoes, clothes, electronics, and even raw materials are idling on the water.

The labor shortage has manifested in several areas. First, there are not enough workers at the ports to unload the containers. Second, the United States faces a shortage of 80,000 truck drivers, which means there are too few drivers to take the containers to warehouses and, later, take these goods from warehouses to stores and factories nationwide. ...

Unfortunately, for several decades, the leftists in this nation have been pushing for everyone to go to college as the only guarantee to economic mobility, while looking down on blue-collar workers. Mike Rowe, host of “Dirty Jobs,” sees such an approach as problematic.
19   Blue   2021 Nov 2, 1:09am  

fake and inhumane vaccine mandates should be one of the root causes of this situation.
20   WookieMan   2021 Nov 2, 8:03am  

HunterTits says
This is quasi-permanent and thus constitutes a very real and internationally legal trade barrier that has only one real solution: return to manufacturing shit here in America.

I'd say it's permanent, not quasi. At least on the West Coast. Ports ain't cheap to make and run. Coastal land is finite and you know the green people and animal rights people would put a stop to any new port building in CA. As you say, at some point we have to make what we consume here. Or at minimum neighboring countries. I'd prefer America, but at least get the money back in this hemisphere where a Mexican or Canadian might spend it back in the US via work or tourism.

Sure there are Chinese tourist, but they don't speak the language whereas Canadians speak English and some Mexicans can get by with broken English or know it. Chinese have no interest in learning the language unless they intend to live here full time. Plus it's exponentially more expensive to travel here from China. Also, Chinese labor won't be cheap forever. Having to cross the Pacific for goods is problematic long term.

The shipping industry is more Malthusian than food. At some point there's not enough ports and spaces to put these containers while awaiting pickup and shipping them out to the end point. Covid hasn't helped, but ultimately that's one positive from this situation. Businesses cannot make money if they don't have product to sell that's sitting in the Pacific.
21   Robert Sproul   2021 Nov 2, 8:12am  

Patrick says
https://medium.com/@ryan79z28/im-a-twenty-year-truck-driver-i-will-tell-you-why-america-s-shipping-crisis-will-not-end-bbe0ebac6a91


I’m fortunate enough to be a Teamster —

This essay shows all kinds of perverse incentives that are impossible to overcome by politicians hectoring business owners:
“What is going to compel the shippers and carriers to invest in the needed infrastructure? The owners of these companies can theoretically not change anything and their business will still be at full capacity because of the backlog of containers. The backlog of containers doesn’t hurt them. It hurts anyone paying shipping costs — that is, manufacturers selling products and consumers buying products. But it doesn’t hurt the owners of the transportation business — in fact the laws of supply and demand mean that they are actually going to make more money through higher rates, without changing a thing. They don’t have to improve or add infrastructure (because it’s costly), and they don’t have to pay their workers more (warehouse workers, crane operators, truckers).”

“Show me the incentive, I’ll show you the outcome” C. Munger

Also, as much as they like to pretend otherwise, AB5 mandating that contract drivers be reclassified as employees caused havoc, as well as the mandate that all trucks MUST have engines newer than 2005 this year.
Governor Pompadour’s zero-emission-gas-powered-vehicle bans of 2035 should help a lot…..
22   Bd6r   2021 Nov 2, 8:19am  

HunterTits says
And IF ONLY ONE KID is documented as starving because his school couldn't feed him from this mess, the entire Democrat Party will be fucked in all holes. Big time.

Nope, MSM will never report it, or report it as right-wing propaganda. See crackhead laptop, it was hidden until it did not matter

Al_Sharpton_for_President says
Another incompetent affirmative action pick, because - feeelinzzzz…

The affirmative action crap has finally filtered into companies after excessive government pressure, and this is at least partially the result.
23   Automan Empire   2021 Nov 2, 8:44am  

WookieMan says
get the money back in this hemisphere where a Mexican or Canadian might spend it back in the US via work or tourism.


Sure, because the Maquiladora workers in Ciudad Juarez are known for using their annual 2 week paid vacation to take their family somewhere like a cute little bed and breakfast in Idaho.

Robert Sproul says
in fact the laws of supply and demand mean that they are actually going to make more money through higher rates, without changing a thing. They don’t have to improve or add infrastructure (because it’s costly), and they don’t have to pay their workers more (warehouse workers, crane operators, truckers).”


Why immigration laws on the books for decades get enforced literally a cherry picked handful of times a year and we focus on security theater like "build the wall" instead. Also why 40,000 square foot stores are staffed with two people all shift long, and the DMV lines only ever get longer year after year. Laissez-faire capitalism ruthlessly minmaxes everything to death, there is no level of overwork for the employees or inconvenience to the client base that's "too much" if leaving it means another dollar into the owner's pocket instead of into the business or its production employees.
24   RWSGFY   2021 Nov 2, 8:45am  

Patrick says
https://medium.com/@ryan79z28/im-a-twenty-year-truck-driver-i-will-tell-you-why-america-s-shipping-crisis-will-not-end-bbe0ebac6a91

There is literally NO incentive to change, even if it means consumers have to do holiday shopping in July and pay triple for shipping.


It means the whole model
of China making everything and shipping it here via container ship is royally fucked.
25   NDrLoR   2021 Nov 2, 8:48am  

WookieMan says
there are Chinese tourist, but they don't speak the language whereas
And don't share our Western values, worship their ancestors and cook dogs alive.
26   Bd6r   2021 Nov 2, 9:17am  

HunterTits says
Vast majority of Americans no longer get their news from the MSM.

the idiot "too many white teachers" in VA will still get trillions of votes, courtesy of CNN addicts and programing of vote counting machines.
27   Shaman   2021 Nov 2, 10:00am  

The supply chain crisis will not only fail to improve, it will get radically worse over the next few months.
Reasoning:
1)no leadership on fixing the problems which would require suspending onerous regulations, hiring tens of thousands of truck drivers, and a lot of capacity expansion at the ports.
2)retail customers are reacting to the crisis by panic ordering MORE goods which increases the congestion which itself increases congestion. When you have too much stuff to move it can get in the way of actually moving it. Especially when you have no free space to put it!
3)Looming specter of vax mandates will drive General Strikes among blue collar workers which will completely HOSE the supply chain! Thanks, Señor Brandon!
28   Eric Holder   2021 Nov 2, 10:59am  

HeadSet says
FuckCCP89 says
Patrick says
They are ILLEGALS who are here to commit a crime by stealing jobs from the poorest US citizens, mostly from black people.


Blackies reliably vote Dem, don't they? So they literally voted for this.

The blacks who voted for that feel that the illegals are needed to pick and process food so those Blacks will have something to buy with their welfare money.


Figures.
29   Patrick   2021 Nov 2, 11:08am  

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/supply-chain-crisis-stole-christmas/

Last year, no gatherings. This year, no toys


Let's Go Brandon
31   HeadSet   2021 Nov 2, 11:52am  

Americans will not need to stockpile. Food will be available, but at a much higher price.
32   HeadSet   2021 Nov 2, 12:09pm  

HunterTits says
What NONE of them do is go anywhere near an international shipping port...except for export but good luck with that.

We would have to do without bananas or winter time tropical fruits. We may also see more suburban home gardening and backyard chicken coups.

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