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Fortitude Ranch has a location outside Reno if you're ok with doing it as a group. Would advise a group regardless, no one survives on their own.

Warthog rental demand is through the roof!

I would just be careful with some of the passes in winter. Also there are some long stretches of nothing that are perfect for bandits if shtf.

If your in southern CA its going to be rough.

Fortitude Ranch looks interesting. We may take a trip to see. Jeffery Prather talks about requirements for allies and circles of trust. Economies of scale and reasonable self sufficiency are also bonuses.

I have no idea about starting any kind of sane conservative neighborhood watches around home. The Delusion Force runs too deep in California, and with the KommieKunt stuff, you never know who is going to 'report' you.

A lady in our neighborhood's car broke down in Santa Cruz. She tried to get a car rental while waiting for repair and they said $2000 for two weeks, but there are no rentals available. How is that happening?

People who want to haul out old trailers to put in manufactured homes have been told there is a one year wait now. They used to have them immediately. Item shortages and expensive lumber? The Biden economy strangling embargoes are working a pip.

One burning question I've got from watching hours of "Bushcraft" survival videos on Youtube.

Where in the hell will they find choice cuts of gourmet meat to grill, when the shit hits the fan?

I imagine warlords and cartels are going to have permanent emplacements in SoCal. It is just a matter of time before they set up roadblocks and just murder and plunder commuters and travelers. Nobody will report on the casualties in MSM.

There are some "utopias" where there is some farming among highway 1, sea ranch, gualala. But if there are supply disruptions be prepared for not much to eat or drink, not sure about heating either. But you will survive there, it's beautiful and likely one of the last places hit by cannibal anarchy. Too curvy cliffs and too remote. Nice people there too in general.

Get out of Khalifa's Domain, she is a cruel bitch.

Ceffer says

I imagine warlords and cartels are going to have permanent emplacements in SoCal. It is just a matter of time before they set up roadblocks and just murder and plunder commuters and travelers. Nobody will report on the casualties in MSM.

Yeah but you will be fine in SC for years if you can take the bay area smugness. Demarcation lines move slowly. Plus there are mid terms, gov election etc.You know, hopium. Also the grass is not always greener. Many migrating leftoids have been running other states. Choose wisely ;)

Khalifa Hornia? Is that Kamala's nickname?

Ive talked about this with a truck driver that goes into LA once and a while. He really is trying to get out of ever going there and says it will be impossible to get out of anything ever happens.

Having done the drive a few times now I can't see a way out unless you can haul all your own gas and have a clear path. Even if you go north to Oregon and try to go east its going to be hard getting through passes if there is snow and it will be impossible if roads have snow or ice that isn't being cleared, it's sketchy enough now.

One of the strange benefits of playing computer games is they give the basics of prepping for Armageddon, since many of them are about destructive politics and establishing perimeters, surveillance boundaries, hiding, stealth, sniping, combat etc.. They aren't much on sustainable food resources and maintenance of infrastructure, though, because they mainly concentrate on the pleasures of mass murder and mass kills. They also do some psyche prep on defensiveness and presumption of hostility until proven non-hostile.

I went through a masochistic game called 'Bloodborne', almost pure survival torture. Everything in the game exists to kill you in some diabolical or humiliating way. I'm surprised I persisted in that one because the game exists to demoralize and kill you, and I usually go for the lightweight first person shooters.

NuttBoxer says

Would advise a group regardless, no one survives on their own.

I kind of disagree. Are there benefits, yes. Combined labor, protection, skills, etc. A downfall would be because of government though. A group would essentially be government. Infighting, betrayal, sub groups fighting with each other.

I'd rather have 200 acres in Montana as a family unit. Fuck everyone else. Would be harsh living in the winter, but there are ways around that with modern tech. Might be expensive upfront, but it's not difficult to build an off grid setup. Honestly, guns and ammo at this point would be the biggest cost. Learn to raise cattle and grow some produce. Get some solar. Bury some water tanks. Fuel tank. Generator.

Montana has it's summer tourism and winter tourism, but most people don't want to live there. So it's highly unlikely anyone would fuck with you and you could do what you want.

All that said, my second option, I'd just find a small town with ~1-2k people with a gas station and little grocery store and some restaurants and the town has water and sewer. No one is getting in my little part of IL without getting shot if shit hits the fan. I'd venture to guess I know 50% of families and kids in town. I'm awful with names, but I could carry a conversation with them and remember them.

A prepper type community I'd avoid. There would be too many opinions on what to do or who is doing it better. You end up with disagreements with who is the most ready for the zombie apocalypse. Just get out of major cities and big suburbs as a first step. Socialize, meet people, get involved and become part of the community.

I have also been looking at non-lethal weaponry that can stun or confuse for quick getaways without a murder citation. There are projectile guns that break with pepper spray. Painful, bruising projectiles that would have anybody doubled over in pain almost right away with a cloud of pepper spray. Extremely bright LED lights that can blind somebody for a moment or two. Highly directional but extremely loud horns to confuse perceptions and even deafen temporarily when turned on potential assailants.

WookieMan says

NuttBoxer says

Would advise a group regardless, no one survives on their own.

I kind of disagree. Are there benefits, yes. Combined labor, protection, skills, etc. A downfall would be because of government though. A group would essentially be government. Infighting, betrayal, sub groups fighting with each other.

I'd rather have 200 acres in Montana as a family unit. Fuck everyone else. Would be harsh living in the winter, but there are ways around that with modern tech. Might be expensive upfront, but it's not difficult to build an off grid setup. Honestly, guns and ammo at this point would be the biggest cost. Learn to raise cattle and grow some produce. Get some solar. Bury some water tanks. Fuel tank. Generator.

Montana has it's summer tourism and winter tourism, but most people don't want to live there. So it's highly unlikely anyone would fuck with you and you co...

Agreed, some preppers may be making things worse. Small towns have been doing well historically during riots etc. Can't foretell everything..

Ive always though the if SHTF, whether it be nuclear attack or zombie appocalyspe, your best bet will be an underground self sufficient shelter in central/northeastern Nevada. Super sparsely populated, hard to get to, no one getting into your business.

Of course you’d still be vulnerable to the Yellowstone super caldera, but there’s no real escaping that. And you’d need money to build a top notch place and the biggest issue is having a well that works. But with enough money you can get an isolated property, have a reliable source of water, have a hidden shelter that no one will find, and it’s maybe a bit more than 500 miles.

No one lives there because there’s not much water, it’s isolated, and it’s really cold in the winter. But with money it can be done. Even the build can be hidden from satellites and you pay the contractors well enough that they buy the build materials from multiple different cities.

The biggest issue will be getting out of Town. If you are wealthy it’s a helicopter or plane. If not, you have to beat everyone to the punch or it’s over. For LA the only real chance is whatever happens goes down in the middle of the night and you’re ready and out the door and on the freeway within 5 min.

You’ll need a 4 wheel drive vehicle because the roads will be impassable in a lot of places. The 50 after you get past Fallon will be dead. No one will go that way due to lack of knowledge and almost zero human created resources.

Buy a little spot up in Jarbidge NV. Get to know the locals by spreading a little bit of $ around (not too much). Then evacuate to there IMMEDIATELY when you hear any weird news. False alarms just mean you get practice and a small holiday. Jarbidge won't be crowded I guarantee. See you there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaeGCeC-XGE

Robert Sproul says

Jarbidge NV

Lol, you'll need a truck for sure.

Noted locally for its remoteness, no paved roads exist within almost 20 miles of Jarbidge.

Boats are the best bet. Not too many drug addled Biker Crips gangs ravening for a fix and food are going to swim or cycle into the Ocean. A huge range of potential destinations opens up for you. And you can always land temporarily to load up on fresh water if needs be (but have plenty in the boat in the beginning Just In Case).

When bugging out landwise, is to practice the route a few times at least, and come up with likely scenarios. Take both a fast route and slower local road routes to your destination. Also do it in different kinds of weather, not just on nice days, but in very wet/dry or hot/cold conditions. That semi-improved road that is a breeze in summer/dry weqather might be a muddy wreck in wet weather.

Absolutely be sure to have fuel storage, and keep some extra on hand. You should have enough not only to reach your destination, but take into account snarls, detours, and delays when your engine is running but the miles aren't.

Depending on how far, consider an all terrain bicycle that can go off road for long periods of time, and have spares for it as well.

Ceffer says

I have also been looking at non-lethal weaponry that can stun or confuse for quick getaways without a murder citation. There are projectile guns that break with pepper spray. Painful, bruising projectiles that would have anybody doubled over in pain almost right away with a cloud of pepper spray. Extremely bright LED lights that can blind somebody for a moment or two. Highly directional but extremely loud horns to confuse perceptions and even deafen temporarily when turned on potential assailants.

Always a good idea. Have a range of responses available, since not every situation will be Total Cannibal Anarchy.

WookieMan says

I'd rather have 200 acres in Montana as a family unit. Fuck everyone else. Would be harsh living in the winter, but there are ways around that with modern tech. Might be expensive upfront, but it's not difficult to build an off grid setup. Honestly, guns and ammo at this point would be the biggest cost. Learn to raise cattle and grow some produce. Get some solar. Bury some water tanks. Fuel tank. Generator.

Getting there would be the bitch. Illinois to Montana is a long way. And you might not be able to predict the disaster so far in advance you can get there before the worst happens.

In which case, you will be better off in a group of several adults, rather than one guy (you) having to not only do all the heavy lifting and intimidating/fighting, you'll be able to share the load with others. Esp. with kids in tow. Very useful to have other (male) adults with you.

Also, Fuel Runs out. Traditional Ranching and Farming needs Farm Hands.

Tenpoundbass says

Where in the hell will they find choice cuts of gourmet meat to grill, when the shit hits the fan?

That should be obvious to any long-term denizen of Patnet.
It’s FACE! The other other white meat!

HunterTits says

Go to Newport Breach and steal a yacht. Head for Oregon.

Yep that’s been my plan for the last fifteen years. Except I’d find one with an owner onboard, then either negotiate something friendly-like, or take them as a hostage/pilot if they wanna get all indignant about shit. I don’t need or want the boat after we leave the area, so no need to steal it. And besides it’s easier to jack a boat when you’ve got the keys in the ignition with an experienced pilot on board.

N.TX or Central TX small communities are ideal, provided that you can fit in...armed to teeth, friendly, and God fearing. Also, land is reasonably fertile, unlike in most Nevada.

Shaman says

HunterTits says

Go to Newport Breach and steal a yacht. Head for Oregon.

Yep that’s been my plan for the last fifteen years. Except I’d find one with an owner onboard, then either negotiate something friendly-like, or take them as a hostage/pilot if they wanna get all indignant about shit. I don’t need or want the boat after we leave the area, so no need to steal it. And besides it’s easier to jack a boat when you’ve got the keys in the ignition with an experienced pilot on board.

Sounds like you need to get one of them thar "Jolly Roger" flags...

Another important question: how many guns and how many rounds of ammunition is enough for this type of situation?

Bd6r says

Another important question: how many guns and how many rounds of ammunition is enough for this type of situation?

Popular caliber guns and enough ammo for what you have and to trade.
22lr, 9mm, 556, 12gage

Bd6r says

how many guns and how many rounds of ammunition is enough for this type of situation?

If you own a boat, sounds like the answer is, "A LOT!"

MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says

Boats are the best bet. Not too many drug addled Biker Crips gangs ravening for a fix and food are going to swim or cycle into the Ocean. A huge range of potential destinations opens up for you. And you can always land temporarily to load up on fresh water if needs be (but have plenty in the boat in the beginning Just In Case).

When bugging out landwise, is to practice the route a few times at least, and come up with likely scenarios. Take both a fast route and slower local road routes to your destination. Also do it in different kinds of weather, not just on nice days, but in very wet/dry or hot/cold conditions. That semi-improved road that is a breeze in summer/dry weqather might be a muddy wreck in wet weather.

Absolutely be sure to have fuel storage, and keep some extra on hand. You should have enough not only to reach your destination, but take into account snarls, detours, and delays when your engine is running but the miles aren't.

Depending on how fa...

They won’t. Apparently you haven’t seen Fear of the Walking Dead.

WookieMan says

NuttBoxer says

Would advise a group regardless, no one survives on their own.

I kind of disagree. Are there benefits, yes. Combined labor, protection, skills, etc. A downfall would be because of government though. A group would essentially be government. Infighting, betrayal, sub groups fighting with each other.

I'd rather have 200 acres in Montana as a family unit. Fuck everyone else. Would be harsh living in the winter, but there are ways around that with modern tech. Might be expensive upfront, but it's not difficult to build an off grid setup. Honestly, guns and ammo at this point would be the biggest cost. Learn to raise cattle and grow some produce. Get some solar. Bury some water tanks. Fuel tank. Generator.

Montana has it's summer tourism and winter tourism, but most people don't want to live there. So it's highly unlikely anyone would fuck with you and you co...

You would be surprised. I moved from SoCal to remote MT. The enviros are thick. Lots of the same BS environmental policies that plague CA. Lots of Starbucks sippin Patagoniacs that will turn you in for pissing near a stream. Property prices have increased dramatically. Winters are not too hard if your strong to cut wood. Lots of off grid folks nearby. Winters are dark so solar isn’t great nov-feb. We did build raised beds and that works good for root storage vegetables. But in the end there are no good jobs here. Local kid labor is $15 cash if you can get one to work….. Starlink has been critical since we both still work for CA companies. Oh yea, no cell reception within 50 miles but now with Starlink, cell phones work just fine in house and around property. Lol…

RC2006 says

Popular caliber guns and enough ammo for what you have and to trade.
22lr, 9mm, 556, 12gage

This. And AAA/AA Batteries. Consider stocking up on solar chargers and reuseable batteries, with be worth their weight in Gold. Esp. if the charger has a USB port.

Ceffer says

I have no idea about starting any kind of sane conservative neighborhood watches around home. The Delusion Force runs too deep in California, and with the KommieKunt stuff, you never know who is going to 'report' you.

Have some family friends who moved to Prescott for that reason. If you aren't living in the sticks, unlikely you will find like-minded people.

WookieMan says

A downfall would be because of government though. A group would essentially be government. Infighting, betrayal, sub groups fighting with each other.

There's no requirement that a group of people be governed. Nor that government should always take the form of current broken system. Unplug from the Matrix Neo, man was made to live free.

Seeing a lot of unrealistic scenarios out there. Remember, the most common scenarios will be economic collapse, and government fascism. So you'll either need to leave because supplies and infrastructure will be fucked for months on end, or because the government is going to place more restrictions on your freedom. And it's likely government will try to do so in either case.

If you don't have access to a renewable water source, your fucked. If you don't have enough ammunition, guns, and people to keep watch, your fucked. If you don't have seeds, livestock, or rations, your fucked. First aid is also critical. And if your bug-out location is less than a tank of gas away from a major city, don't even bother.

If your shelter isn't already built, don't bother. If you have an electric well, you better have propane, or manual wench for backup. Your plan should already be in place by now. If not, you should consider what you can realistically do ASAP. And for most of you a place like Fortitude is going to be your only viable option. I know because I've looked, and planned, and thought about this for years.

NuttBoxer says

If you don't have access to a renewable water source, your fucked

That'd be all the Hipster megapolises along the California coast.

Maybe make a run for the border, Baja Sur is largely unpopulated, but small towns are scattered around and the lifestyle there is pretty low income and basic needs.

But I think it’s beyond the 500 mile range.

Bugout Strategies For Northern California

If California or the USA were to fall to that dystopian level, it would immediately be take over by Mexican cartels that know how to rule by fear.