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Testing how real the vax mandate is enforced....

By joshuatrio follow joshuatrio   2021 Oct 18, 2:39pm 1,467 views   92 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share      


Ex federal contractor here. Left about three months ago and took well needed time off.

Come back and hear nonstop BS about mandates for the vaxx for all civilians and contractors. Hear about people getting laid off for refusing the shot. So I did what any rational dude would do...

I applied for another federal contracting job to see if this vaxx crap is actually being enforced.

Interviewed last week and got an offer today and there was ZERO talk about a vaxx, and ZERO in the paperwork requiring it.

We will see how things progress but I'm calling their bluff with only a handful of actual contractors enforcing it, which most will later rescind when they can't fill slots due to their own requirement.

So ultimately, it seems like nothing really exists and the mandate is loosely enforced, and it's all political theatre, with the Biden administration trying to get the company/contractor to enforce an illegal action.

I'll keep you posted if anyone finds this interesting....

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53   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 29, 9:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        


For COVID-19 vaccines, an additional wrinkle is the fact that the vaccines are (thus far) not fully approved but instead authorized under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). While some vaccines may shortly transition to full approval, they may not be the ones available for students in a particular state. While some may agree with our analysis as to approved vaccines, does the same hold true for those provided under EUAs?

The Act enabling the granting of EUAs requires notifying recipients “of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.” This provision, though, does not appear to limit what conditions can be imposed on those who refuse a vaccine under an EUA. While the federal government has not yet addressed educational institutions, in its guidance to employers, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has suggested it is possible for employers to mandate vaccination even if the vaccine is only under an EUA; moreover, many of the COVID-19 tests that colleges and universities have mandated in recent months have themselves been authorized under an EUA and not a full approval. For these reasons, we believe that our analysis — suggesting wide latitude for colleges and universities to mandate COVID-19 vaccination — applies whether the vaccine is approved or merely under an EUA.


https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2021/03/16/can-colleges-universities-require-student-covid-vaccination/
54   AmericanKulak   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 29, 11:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Seems like some law is definitely being violated. How can experimental injections be a condition of employment or studying?


How can city workers be fired for not taking jabs? I'm pretty damn sure "Taking experimental medical treatments on demand of the Mayor" ain't in the Contract.

Are sewer workers and trashmen dealing with direct health care or with multitudes of the public?
55   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Oct 30, 1:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
@richwicks Where do they get the legal authority to demand the injection of an experimental drug?


You know better. There's no rule of law.

I'm a contractor - as far as I'm concerned they can get rid of me because they don't like the cut of my jib.

I don't want to work for a company that doesn't want me any more than I want to work for a company that I don't want. If a company decides they don't want to hire white people, or blacks, or asians - that's fucking fine with me. The company is just slicing their own throat.

I worked for a company that would hire contractors from ANY race, but would only hire employees from Taiwan. Imagine this scenario - you have a bunch of balls, they are all labelled with numbers from 1-9, and they are colored red, white and blue. You are in a game with another person where you can observe and see all the balls and their numbers - the game is that you can only pick from white balls but they can pick from any color - and whomever gets the largest sum of numbers wins. They can chose any color, but you're restricted to only white.

Who is going to win?

I'm perfectly fine with discrimination which can only be based on stupidity. It's regretful that (some) people are so fucking stupid here to implement it, this was once a true meritocracy, but it fixes itself. It hurts people along the way as well, I realize that, but a company that implements discriminatory practices is placing themselves at a disadvantage.

I keep saying, Google is fucking dead. Facebook is ALREADY dead - that's why they are renaming themselves. They have more money than God does, but that's not going to prevent them from becoming irrelevant. Companies that incorporate discrimination and even worse EXPORT it, kill themselves. Do you want to work for a company that does that? I don't, I'm a better person than that, and although I could enjoy stock options and other shit, I don't want that stain on my soul, despite being largely an atheist.

There was a mission we started out with. The Internet was designed to bypass propaganda and authorities. There are no authorities, there's truth and there are lies, that's it. Nobody has a monopoly on either. The purpose of free communication isn't just to allow people to figure out what the fuck is going on, but to enable us to figure out what the fuck going on because we sure as shit didn't know when we started out and honestly I'm still figuring it out. We're just seeing the fruition of this recently. It took 20 years longer than I expected, but it damned well seems to be happening.

I'm an old fuck, but I still believe in the mission. I am beginning to believe enlightenment is a real thing.

Shit. I'm becoming William S. Burroughs. I'm completely committed to the mission still though. Part of that is demonstrating we have illegitimate authority. My company can do what it wants, but I will never bow down and recognize it's legitimate - at least until I'm desperate for work. I've been very careful in my life to maintain my ability for independence.
56   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 30, 10:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Unfortunately independent contractors are not afforded the same rights and protection from discrimination that employees have under the law. However, if it is not in the contract to divulge private medical information the contractor clearly has no obligation to divulge this information. Sure, they can cancel the contract for any reason, but for the sake of the sovereignty of every man and women over their own body and privacy any demand for this information must be unequivocally denied.
57   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Oct 30, 7:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

PeopleUnited says
Unfortunately independent contractors are not afforded the same rights and protection from discrimination that employees have under the law.


I'm paid double what a full timer is. It's an entirely reasonable tradeoff.

If my employer doesn't like my hair color, my skin color, my religion, my shoes - that's fine for them to terminate my employment. In exchange for money, I have abandoned all rights in my employment. My employment is exclusively a voluntary exchange which can be terminated at any time for any reason.

I am not a libertarian, but I believe the principles are largely sound. Voluntary trade. If a baker doesn't want to make a gay wedding cake, that's fine, and if a restaurant doesn't want to serve black people - that's also fine. Business should be entirely voluntary whether I agree or disagree with it. I can always boycott a business that is doing something I object to, and that's how it should be done in my opinion.

My prediction in my line of work, is you're going to see a new line of inventiveness from people who refuse to submit. I expect the last area in my line of work is a complete decentralization of the Internet. I honestly think this is the last thing we can do for communication. It won't be possible to censor, and there are real downsides to that, but it appears we have to do this. I want to be clear, we've had this ability to do this for 20 years, and I think we've held back. Some communication should be censored, but since our government is imposing fundamental cemsorship on communication I think it's necessary to open Pandora's Box again.
58   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Oct 30, 8:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
Business should be entirely voluntary whether I agree or disagree with it. I can always boycott a business that is doing something I object to, and that's how it should be done in my opinion.

VERY good point imo. The real problem comes when whole industries are dominated or monopolized by a few companies. Government needs to help in this regard. How? I don't exactly know.

richwicks says
Some communication should be censored, but since our government is imposing fundamental cemsorship on communication I think it's necessary to open Pandora's Box again.

What exactly are you talking about here?
59   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2021 Oct 31, 2:06am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Well, in San Francisco you aren't allowed to eat if you don't produce your papers. Last time I was there at a restaurant I noticed a lady show her vaccine QR code to the enforcer at the door and then show the same QR code for her boyfriend. No problem, since the QR codes where never verified against anyone's ID. I guess with ID being racist and all that, I shouldn't be surprised.
60   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Oct 31, 3:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WineHorror1 says
richwicks says
Some communication should be censored, but since our government is imposing fundamental cemsorship on communication I think it's necessary to open Pandora's Box again.

What exactly are you talking about here?


I'm saying that the result of government imposing censorship requirements on companies, and they do, the result will be a decentralized internet in which communication is entirely protected by encryption. When you communicate with this site, it's encrypted. This uses a 4096 bit key (good job Patrick - this is the maximum size) which is used to make a symmetric key using Diffie Hellman.

However, this is a public site, so if I were to post what would be CLEARLY illegal content, I could be identified and found by either Patrick or by authorities looking at meta data. I do not want to explain what would be illegal content, but I'm certain you can imagine some subjects which should not be posted by anybody. Think Jeffrey Epstein for example, subject matter HE might have posted.

The ability to create a private network is already available, but again, it has a single point of failure as it's just a website running on a computer somewhere. What will be created will be distributed networks on which a "website" isn't confined to a single computer but it distributed across multiple machines. Bit torrent does this, people sharing a file actually each have an individual copy (or portions of a copy) of the file, and when I request the ability to download the file I get portions from dozens of computers, sometimes hundreds, and the file is reconstructed in parts. Popular files scale automatically. For example, if a new film comes out, 1000's of people will have copies (or portions) and downloading that file will completely consume your entire bandwidth, and you will have the film in minutes and the more people that try to access it, the faster you get it.

This sort of distributed hosting is just about impossible to shutdown because there is no central point of attack to take it down. This can be abused and is currently abused, but because our FUCKING CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT will not allow free speech, this is what has to be made widely and trivially available. Because our FUCKING GOVERNMENT won't follow the goddamned law and the contract we have with the now illegitimate assholes, we will have to open up a very messy can of worms.

Not only will private networks proliferate, they will become commonplace. You've heard of the "dark web" - well here is an example:

https://samoyed.dynu.net

That's my computer. It's not indexed, and you can't access anything on it without a password. It's using encryption. This is a trivial example, what is next going to be produced will be something like IPFS - InterPlanetary file system. There will be no way to prevent any illegal content from being distributed, and this is a result of our goddamned government fucking violating basic human rights. You won't even be able to identify the originator of the content easily.

We've had the ability for 2 decades, there's real moral questions about making this technology available, but our goddamned government is practically forcing us to make it available and I despise them for it. These fucking assholes think that they can impose their will on people, having no clue we already have solutions which we've rejected because of moral implications.

Imagine the worst, most horrific evil content imaginable, not only being made trivially available, but there's no way to stop it. Remember the Silk Road website which was just allowing anything and everything to be sold? Imagine it not being owned by any single person. That can be made right now. It won't be dependent on DNS, it won't be hosted by any one person, it will be hosted by the thousands of people that access it. The government won't even be able to tell what you're accessing, just that you're LIKELY to have accessed a particular site based on meta data, but they won't be able to prove it.

I've already seen attempts and examples of this being done now. They aren't at ALL user friendly, but they will be in time. Dear old mom will be able to access it no problem, as easy to use as facebook or whatever. Once again, things will TRULY go viral, it will be the old Internet, the wild west. 25 years ago, anything you could imagine was accessible, and quite purposely tracking was put into place to limit some of the more objectionable content. This time, it won't be possible to do this, because our government has shown it's willingness to betray the population.

We will entirely democratize all data, good, AND bad. Just imagine, the next Julian Assange will be able to post anything, and it will never be possible to identify who posted it. For example, a file could be made available, and 100,000 people will have it, and 2 days later, a decryption key can be posted, allowing people to actually access the file. By then, it's everywhere. Maybe the file is filled with crap, could be a kill switch, could be anything. There will be no way to stop distribution of any information that is imaginable.

That's what the mother fuckers are DARING us to do and I think we'll have to do it. I can see it's already being worked on. In 30 years, a website is going to be a tiny computer sitting next to your router running on 5 watts. It will be a PART of whatever replaces "youtube" or "facebook". It will be a tiny cell in that network, and there will be no moderators or any possibility of moderating.
61   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Oct 31, 8:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@richwicks - People like you are geniuses. For the life of me, I cannot understand why you wouldn't have created your own company(ies) by now. There are so many areas/industries of the economy that could benefit from decentralization (SAAS). Anyway, here is a Bible verse that I thought of as I read your comment (NO, I am not a Bible thumper or scholar)...

"For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."

--Luke 8:17

It could mean that all these evils will be exposed. Personally, I believe God = Freedom so, I believe that it is TPTB that will be exposed and not those who would create and use these private networks. No, people who create private networks, imo, could be the ones doing the exposing. Bringing the dark to light.
62   mell   ignore (6)   2021 Oct 31, 10:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WineHorror1 says
@richwicks - People like you are geniuses. For the life of me, I cannot understand why you wouldn't have created your own company(ies) by now. There are so many areas/industries of the economy that could benefit from decentralization (SAAS). Anyway, here is a Bible verse that I thought of as I read your comment (NO, I am not a Bible thumper or scholar)...

"For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open."

--Luke 8:17

It could mean that all these evils will be exposed. Personally, I believe God = Freedom so, I believe that it is TPTB that will be exposed and not those who would create and use these private networks. No, people who create private networks, imo, could be the ones doing the exposing. Bringing the dark to light.


It's not that easy, founding a company and becoming successful has a lot more factors than just yourself. This has not been a free economy for a long time and it's stacked against small businesses and their founders. Still a good idea but takes a lot of effort and some luck, esp. without seed money.
63   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Oct 31, 10:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

mell says
It's not that easy, founding a company and becoming successful has a lot more factors than just yourself. This has not been a free economy for a long time and it's stacked against small businesses and their founders. Still a good idea but takes a lot of effort and some luck, esp. without seed money.

Being an expert level software engineer is, imo, much more difficult. The difference in good ones vs. GREAT ones is huge. I have a company (it is now starting to make $$) that uses outside software developers. I am using 2 at the moment. I finally added one because the first one couldn't achieve a goal we set due to his abilities. The second one I found has been running circles around the first one and it's not even close. I know NOTHING about developing (even though I have a computer science degree, (from 20 years ago)), but I know my industry and what I need. The company is dedicated to giving labor of an entire industry control over their time and income. Wish me luck.
64   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 1, 12:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Update: They now want a religious exemption on file.

They don't seem to give a rip what it says honestly. They just want a signed document/exemption, on church letterhead, from the local pastor.

The aborted fetal cell testing seems to be the ticket out.
65   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 1, 1:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
However, this is a public site, so if I were to post what would be CLEARLY illegal content, I could be identified and found by either Patrick or by authorities looking at meta data.


All I know about people, aside from those I've met personally, is the email address the used to register and the IP address requests come from. If you were to use a throwaway email and a VPN, I think it would be very hard to identify you. Still could be possible from word frequency and phrasing though, which is how the Unibomber was identified.
67   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 2, 11:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
richwicks says
However, this is a public site, so if I were to post what would be CLEARLY illegal content, I could be identified and found by either Patrick or by authorities looking at meta data.


All I know about people, aside from those I've met personally, is the email address the used to register and the IP address requests come from. If you were to use a throwaway email and a VPN, I think it would be very hard to identify you.


The VPN would likely co-operate with authorities given enough pressure and so would you especially if you felt a moral obligation to co-operate. Protonmail isn't secure, for example.

What I'm saying is that as a result of censorship, it won't be POSSIBLE to co-operate with authorities.

You remember USENet? Imagine it being done on top of a P2P protocol? Do you remember Rot-13 - that was to prevent people from reading something that MIGHT not be suitable for work, so it was just scrambled so it was optional you could read it. Today, it would be just as easy to encode a message with AES256 + DES with 2 separate keys, and make it entirely unbreakable except for a single recipient on a public forum.

Haven't you ever wondered why email isn't encrypted by default at companies? They ought to be, but they aren't. It's trivial to do, but it's not done. When I send an email, it can be read by not just the company that hosts it, but anybody that passes it along.
68   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 2, 6:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here is the religious exemption letter I got. We will see if it works. Hope it can help anyone else out as well:

I am writing on behalf of our member, ___ of ____, regarding
his religious conviction against forced vaccines.

We do not wish to be labeled as anti-vaccine or anti-science, however, the well-
documented process of vaccines developed from animal and aborted human fetal tissue
has compelled us to stand by our congregants who refuse to comply with mandatory
vaccinations.

We strongly support their deeply held Biblical conviction as a believer in, and follower of
Jesus Christ and any of our congregants to resist the pressure for vaccinations, while at
the same time seeking an alternative for their safety and the safety of others.

We are convinced that the nature of many other contaminants within vaccines should be a
reason to grant exemptions to believers whose bodies are, as the Scripture states, the
“temple of the Lord.”

• 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 - “Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple
and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God
will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that
temple.”

• 2 Corinthians 7:1 - “Therefore, since we have these promises, dear friends, let us
purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting
holiness out of reverence for God.”

We must follow the Word of God and we also exhort others to a conscientious objection
to these vaccines. Yet, our deep love and care for others makes us more determined to
exercise whatever alternatives possible to ensure others' safety in each individual case.
We thank you for granting this religious exemption and as such respecting religious
freedom.

Sincerely,
Pastor _______
69   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 14, 9:59am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

As far as I can tell, at work, the government is coming down pretty hard on it's own employees and military people. Meaning that your immediate supervisor is going to be looking at your documentation, or at least checking off that you have elected to submit an exemption. The exemption process so far hasn't been implemented, and nobody knows how that is even going to work, so that is the reason they haven't given any details on that yet. I expect that to take quite some time, since the government does nothing quickly. There is also going to be "re-education sessions" for people who don't comply, and presumably will be fired at some point (at least that's what they are saying). With respect to contractors, as far as I can tell, it's strictly up to your actual employer. Now I might be just guessing here, but your immediate contractor employer actually has a financial self interest in being lax, since if they can't place you in a position, some other contractor will. Some job ads are specifying that you need to have a clot shot card, but it's unclear how hard they are going to look at your potato quality image of the card that you are going to give them. My employer hasn't asked me for one yet.
70   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 16, 3:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

zzyzzx says
With respect to contractors, as far as I can tell, it's strictly up to your actual employer. Now I might be just guessing here, but your immediate contractor employer actually has a financial self interest in being lax, since if they can't place you in a position, some other contractor will.


My contractor doesn't seem to care and thinks it's all a joke. The prime on the contract required a religious exemption on file which is what I submitted.

Latest update: Job still going through. Clearance being processed now. I'm guessing another 6-8 weeks till start date.
71   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 16, 4:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joshuatrio says
Latest update: Job still going through. Clearance being processed now. I'm guessing another 6-8 weeks till start date.

At what point are you going to turn the job down?
72   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   ignore (4)   2021 Nov 16, 4:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
I think a religious exemption is a bit dishonest if you don't really believe it.


The thing is that it is your beliefs that vaccine is immoral? There is no clause that says it has to be major religion, as long as you believe your shoes talk to you it's good enough. So it is honest in a sense that your beliefs are your own religion. That's how a lawyer explained it to me.
Because some Christians are fine with vaccines, others are not... so it's not universal. Everyone has varying set of circumstances.
73   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 16, 5:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joshuatrio says
Clearance being processed now.


Security clearance? GOVERNMENT security clearance?

Look, you're licking a boot when you get paid by our fucking government. I swore I'd end up on the streets before I ever became part of that mafia 30 years ago.
74   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 17, 5:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WineHorror1 says
joshuatrio says
Latest update: Job still going through. Clearance being processed now. I'm guessing another 6-8 weeks till start date.

At what point are you going to turn the job down?


Not sure. I want to ride it out to the end of the hiring process at the least. I may work it for a couple months for some side cash.

If it's a cake job, and an easy check (where I'm not tied to the desk) then so be it. If it's a pressure cooker, I'll quit first week.

richwicks says
joshuatrio says
Clearance being processed now.


Security clearance? GOVERNMENT security clearance?

Look, you're licking a boot when you get paid by our fucking government. I swore I'd end up on the streets before I ever became part of that mafia 30 years ago.


Totally agree.
75   WineHorror1   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 17, 12:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joshuatrio says
I may work it for a couple months for some side cash.

Are you a big time developer? Full stack yadda yadda (I don't mean that in a smart ass way)? If so, why not find a small company that you can help take to the next level? I have such a company. Hint hint.
76   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 17, 1:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

WineHorror1 says
joshuatrio says
I may work it for a couple months for some side cash.

Are you a big time developer? Full stack yadda yadda (I don't mean that in a smart ass way)? If so, why not find a small company that you can help take to the next level? I have such a company. Hint hint.


Wish I were a developer. I'm on the network/cyber engineering side.
77   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 17, 1:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Patrick says
I think a religious exemption is a bit dishonest if you don't really believe it.


The thing is that it is your beliefs that vaccine is immoral? There is no clause that says it has to be major religion, as long as you believe your shoes talk to you it's good enough. So it is honest in a sense that your beliefs are your own religion. That's how a lawyer explained it to me.
Because some Christians are fine with vaccines, others are not... so it's not universal. Everyone has varying set of circumstances.


Right. I listened to a presentation by Christina Hildebrand from https://avoiceforchoiceadvocacy.org/ because I'm trying to help a relative with this, and took these notes:


Before you start, you need a plan B if the exemption is rejected.
You could send a notice of liability to the school, wait 10 days, file for lawsuit... but that takes time.
You can't file for unemployment if you didn't follow company policy.
Doctors are witch-hunted for their issuance of medical exemptions.
There is no definition of religion, so you don't have to adhere to traditional religion.
Don't put science in your exemption because they will argue that.
challenges to you:
Consistency
Your beliefs do not have to be express tenets of your religion.
CA law: belief must have some religious foundation, not veganism, not just a philosophy.
It's ok for your belief to have developed over time.
Your belief does have to have an overarching place in your life.
religious belief in CA:
must be belief that is sincere and meaningful, parallel to that filled by orthodox belief in god
more than philosophy or moral, the golden rule is not enough; has to come from HIGHER POWER or scripture
religion addresses fundamental and ultimate questions having to do with deep and imponderable matters
religion must be comprehensive system, not just a single teaching
religion can be recognized by presence of certain formal and external signs
must be your own truth, do not use internet templates because they will look for that
Write a letter to yourself already so it's in your brain.
For accomodations, leave it open-ended: "I'm willing to participate in whatever other public health measures are required of me".
The SEIU sent a cease and desist to newsom.
write
who do i believe in
what is your religious background? raise, explored, changed beliefs? X changed my beliefs, proved evil in the world.
what do i do every day, week, etc to be religious: pray, meditate, alter at home, statues, holidays
how does getting the shot go against my beliefs? are there texts you live by religously
ask that letter be kept confidential
They might ask:
"How long have you had this belief?"
"When was the last time you had a vaccine?"
"Why is it ok for your higher power to say yes to older vaxxes but not this one?"
examples:
life threatening vs life savings
injections vs oral
christian scientists believe in prayer
it is my sincere religious belief that god does not want me to alter my body
The important point is the explanation behind it.
There are saliva tests available from stores.
Again, DO NOT put science or EUA or vaers in exemption.
Remember that the person you're aiming at is pro-vaxx and anti-religion; "mark of the beast" is polarizing
and the people reading it will feel personally attacked.
where do you draw your line and why is this vaxx not ok?
could be that it's DNA
Liberty Counsel has aborted fetal cells document.
use religious rather than "spiritual" or "conscience"
J&J is produced with fetal cells, other mRNA vaxxes test on fetal cell lines.
1 corinthians 6:19 "body is a temple"
"it is not the heathly people who need a doctor but one who is sick"
use "my religious belief" instead of "my personal belief"
"The vaccine is against my religious beliefs because..."
submit, appeal, complaint to EEOC, and only then lawyer
"I asked, and god spoke to me and said that this vaccine is a violation of His will"
78   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 17, 1:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Patrick says
I think a religious exemption is a bit dishonest if you don't really believe it.


The thing is that it is your beliefs that vaccine is immoral? There is no clause that says it has to be major religion, as long as you believe your shoes talk to you it's good enough.


I think it's cowardly. The vaccines don't seem to have any efficacy. They do not prevent you from getting the disease, they don't prevent you from spreading the disease, the only claim is that it supposedly reduces symptoms. This means there's no public health benefit to taking the vaccination, only a personal benefit to you.

So what is the logic of somebody trying to force you to take the vaccine? If they cannot answer that, question if you want to continue to work for such a stupid, cowardly, employer.
79   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 17, 1:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
So what is the logic of a mandate?




Exactly. The only logic seems to be profit for Pfizer and more power for government.

Hopefully it's no more sinister than that, though it's already pretty damn sinister.

Half of the population is insane, and will let themselves be jabbed to death if Pfauci says so. And he does say so.
80   richwicks   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 17, 1:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Half of the population is insane, and will let themselves be jabbed to death if Pfauci says so. And he does say so.


At this point given the level of abuse that's been levied against people trying to warn the lemmings, I say let them do what they want to do or are told to do - same thing.
82   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2021 Nov 17, 3:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
At this point given the level of abuse that's been levied against people trying to warn the lemmings, I say let them do what they want to do or are told to do - same thing.

Except those lemmings have forced college students like my daughter to get the jab.
83   stereotomy   ignore (0)   2021 Nov 17, 3:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

America - FUCK YEAH!

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/582022-osha-suspends-enforcement-of-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-for-businesses

The court said OSHA should “take no steps to implement or enforce the mandate until further court order.”

The case originated when Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R), along with the states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Utah and South Carolina, filed a lawsuit against the Biden administration over the vaccine mandate in October, requesting a preliminary and permanent injunctive relief to stop the mandate from being enforced. The lawsuit also asked that the mandate be declared unlawful.

Earlier this month, the federal appeals court ordered a temporary halt on the mandate, but the Department of Justice then requested that the halt be lifted, contending that the administration has the legal authority to require COVID-19 vaccines or testing for larger companies and that the states that are challenging the mandate have not shown that their claims outweigh the harm of stopping of rule.

The court, however, upheld the stay, which prompted OSHA’s announcement that it is suspending enforcement of the rule.

More than two dozen state attorneys general and other groups are also challenging the mandate in court.

Despite the court’s ruling, however, the White House urged businesses to continue implementing the guidance for COVID-19 vaccines and testing.

“We think people should not wait. We say: Do not wait to take actions that will keep your workplace safe. It is important and critical to do and waiting to get more people vaccinated will lead to more outbreaks and sickness,” White House deputy press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters last week following the ruling.

Bidet et al are the Kim Jong Il's opposing freedom.

We need an updated "Dicks, Pussies, and Assholes" rallying speech right now. (Yess, Gary, Yeesss . . .)
84   Booger   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 17, 5:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I don't think that the OSHA thing has anything to do with military / federal employees / federal contractors.
85   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 17, 6:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

stereotomy says
Bidet et al are the


If I could make a suggestion. This kind of language is pleasant only to people who already agree with the sentiment, and not close to all of those. I absolutely HATED Trump, but I take politics seriously, therefore as soon as someone would write Drumpf I'd usually immediately skip to the next post or article or whatever. It's a clear indicator that the person is persuading using appeal to emotion, not to facts and reason, even when facts and reason are noticeably sprinkled in.

I also really dislike Biden for the record. He's kind of like the Democrats' version of George W. Bush; someone so far out of their depth the fish have lights on their noses, who failed upward into incredible power not on personal merit, guile, or luck; but by the conniving of behind the scenes powerheads. Unlike George W, I can't say I've ever met a Democrat in person who is enthusiastic in any way about him or his administration. Once the "At least Trump's gone!" died down, Democrats talk about this legislation or that current event and its political implications, but it's never Biden's legislation or Biden's doings or ideas, and nobody going out of their way to sing his praises in any way. Like a milder form of Learned Helplessness, it seems a mood of Don't Giveafuckness has formed in relation to Biden himself among rank and file Democrats I know.
86   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 17, 7:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
I also really dislike Biden for the record. He's kind of like the Democrats' version of George W. Bush


Not a fan of George Bush the elder or the MLB franchise owner, but at least W was not senile and probably is a fun guy to drink a beer with. Bidet isn’t fun in any way, he is an ugly combination of arrogance, entitlement, whining, and sleazy corruption that literally makes him the least popular “President “ in my lifetime.
87   Automan Empire   ignore (1)   2021 Nov 17, 7:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says
I don't think that the OSHA thing has anything to do with military / federal employees / federal contractors.


It's a great development, but the experienced/jaded/cynical chunk of me thinks it's all part of a well planned and orchestrated dance, where the defacto only 2 political parties serve the Oligarch class by taking turns imposing rules/restrictions that even remotely and often with a lot of creative interpretation appeal to their userbase, then the oligarchs "let" the "other" side win a "victory" of getting it scaled back, though almost never to the same as it was in the first place, always in the direction of Oligarchs' favor. The mandate in this case was the push, getting the OSHA mandate walks back part of the Federal mandate AFTER it resulted in huge numbers of OSHA-domain employees "having" to get vaccinated. However, the personnel under the purview of the executive order but NOT OSHA (like military, government employees) are still stuck with it, so in the end the Oligarch class got most of what it wanted this time out.

The "Southern border problem" is another example of a chronic pseudo-balance-of-powers theater for the voting, working, and taxpaying masses, that is actually running exactly to Oligarch plan.

"The Right" and Oligarch level business interests get endless cheap exploitable labor. Right politicians have a polarizing voter and donation magnet in protecting existing Americans' jobs and high wages and plying nationalist/ethnonationalist and patriotic sentiments among their rank and file voters and rubes. They get security theater and porn like an extremely expensive plum wall building project to dole out to nepots and kicker-backers, a tangible symbol of their party's progress and effectiveness despite being easily breached in minutes using the cheapest knock off cordless sawzall.

"The Left" and oligarch level business interests get a bona-fide exploited underclass for leftist ideologues to take a prestigious role "protecting." Left politicians have a polarizing voter and donation magnet in "Protecting the underclass from exploitation" and plying the inclusive and humanitarian sentiments among their rank and file voters and rubes. They get mostly humanitarian theater, with some bona-fide pushback on the ruthlessness of laissez-faire capitalism operating outside of unions AND labor laws. They get aid money here and relief money there to dish out, a tangible symbol of their party's progress and effectiveness despite essentially "maintaining the alcoholic just above his rock bottom, forever" by playing their part in the system that in the long term still doesn't do jack fucking shit to improve the station of their "victims" high enough to not need their help any longer.

In the big picture, the EO --> rather late OSHA "victory" and never ending anti-immigrant push-pull between right and left are working to plan. And, the PLAN is to serve the interests of oligarchs, not those of rank and file Republicans or Democrats. This is a red pill. You are seeing the workings of a system going to plan, giving the ILLUSION of Democracy and choice, but this system and its machinations is really just busy serving oligarchs.
88   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 17, 8:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
"I asked, and god spoke to me and said that this vaccine is a violation of His will"

THAT'S the one I'm going to use.
89   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 17, 8:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

richwicks says
question if you want to continue to work for such a stupid, cowardly, employer.

But not out loud until you are ready to leave. Try to reason with them first.
90   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 17, 8:07pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Automan Empire says
I also really dislike Biden for the record.

Did you vote for him? Or against Trump? For the record.

I mostly voted against Biden when I voted for Trump.
91   Onvacation   ignore (7)   2021 Nov 20, 7:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Onvacation says
Did you vote for him? Or against Trump? For the record.

I mostly voted against Biden when I voted for Trump.

Not expecting a cogent answer
92   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2021 Nov 24, 2:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Looks like they finally getting around to annoying us contractors. We have to fill out a form and send one copy to our company, and keep another copy of it on us at all times while on the job. The form is easy enough to fill out.

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