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Interesting Post From Dude Who ACTUALLY Went To Long Beach To Find Out WTF Is Going On With The Ports


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2021 Oct 22, 10:32am   1,007 views  35 comments

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He did this on Twitter with serial Tweets. I am cutting & pasting it here.

Of course, he's grandstanding for his own benefit. And who cares about the 'global economy'? America just has to import what it NEEDS not anything that it can produce itself or is luxury items, after all. If that totally fucks up the rest of the world -- GOOD.

The main reason I posted this is because what he did here is what the fucking media SHOULD have done. They would have back in the day when they were actually in the business of investigating and collecting news to report, instead of printing shit up for clicks.

Ryan Petersen
@typesfast
Yesterday I rented a boat and took the leader of one of Flexport's partners in Long Beach on a 3 hour of the port complex. Here's a thread about what I learned.
6:39 AM · Oct 22, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

First off, the boat captain said we were the first company to ever rent his boat to tour the port to see how everything was working up close. His usual business is doing memorial services at sea. He said we were a lot more fun than his regular customers.

The ports of LA/Long Beach are at a standstill. In a full 3 hour loop through the port complex, passing every single terminal, we saw less than a dozen containers get unloaded.

There are hundreds of cranes. I counted only ~7 that were even operating and those that were seemed to be going pretty slow.

It seems that everyone now agrees that the bottleneck is yard space at the container terminals. The terminals are simply overflowing with containers, which means they no longer have space to take in new containers either from ships or land. It’s a true traffic jam.

Right now if you have a chassis with no empty container on it, you can go pick up containers at any port terminal. However, if you have an empty container on that chassis, they’re not allowing you to return it except on highly restricted basis.

If you can’t get the empty off the chassis, you don’t have a chassis to go pick up the next container. And if nobody goes to pick up the next container, the port remains jammed.

WIth the yards so full, carriers / terminals are being highly restrictive in where and when they will accept empties.

Also containers are not fungible between carriers, so the truckers have to drop their empty off at the right terminal. This is causing empty containers to pile up. This one trucking partner alone has 450 containers sitting on chassis right now (as of 10/21) at his yards.

This is a trucking company with 6 yards that represents 153 owner operator drivers, so he has almost 3 containers sitting on chassis at his yard for every driver on the team.

He can’t take the containers off the chassis because he’s not allowed by the city of Long Beach zoning code to store empty containers more than 2 high in his truck yard. If he violates this code they’ll shut down his yard altogether.

With the chassis all tied up storing empties that can't be returned to the port, there are no chassis available to pick up containers at the port.

And with all the containers piling up in the terminal yard, the longshoremen can’t unload the ships. And so the queue grows longer, with now over 70 ships containing 500,000 containers are waiting off shore. This line is going to get longer not shorter.

This is a negative feedback loop that is rapidly cycling out of control that if it continues unabated will destroy the global economy.

Alright how do we fix this, you ask? Simple. And we can do it fast now,

When you're designing an operation you must choose your bottleneck. If the bottleneck appears somewhere that you didn't choose it, you aren't running an operation. It's running you.

You should always choose the most capital intensive part of the line to be your bottleneck. In a port that's the ship to shore cranes. The cranes should never be unable to run because they're waiting for another part of the operation to catch up.

The bottleneck right now is not the cranes. It's yard space at the container terminals. And it's empty chassis to come clear those containers out.

In operations when a bottleneck appears somewhere that you didn't design for it to appear, you must OVERWHELM THE BOTTLENECK!

Here's a simple plan that @potus and @GavinNewsom partnered with the private sector, labor, truckers, and everyone else in the chain must implement TODAY to overwhelm the bottleneck and create yard space at the ports so we can operate against

1) Executive order effective immediately over riding the zoning rules in Long Beach and Los Angeles to allow truck yards to store empty containers up to six high instead of the current limit of 2. Make it temporary for ~120 days.

This will free up tens of thousands of chassis that right now are just storing containers on wheels. Those chassis can immediately be taken to the ports to haul away the containers

2) Bring every container chassis owned by the national guard and the military anywhere in the US to the ports and loan them to the terminals for 180 days.

3) Create a new temporary container yard at a large (need 500+ acres) piece of government land adjacent to an inland rail head within 100 miles of the port complex.

4) Force the railroads to haul all containers to this new site, turn around and come back. No more 1500 mile train journeys to Dallas. We're doing 100 mile shuttles, turning around and doing it again. Truckers will go to this site to get containers instead of the port.

5) Bring in barges and small container ships and start hauling containers out of long beach to other smaller ports that aren't backed up.

This is not a comprehensive list. Please add to it. We don't need to do the best ideas. We need to do ALL the ideas.

We must OVERWHELM THE BOTTLENECK and get these ports working again. I can't stress enough how bad it is for the world economy if the ports don't work. Every company selling physical goods bought or sold internationally will fail.

The circulatory system our globalized economy depends has collapsed. And thanks to the negative feedback loops involved, it's getting worse not better every day that goes by.

I'd be happy to lead this effort for the federal or state government if asked. Leadership is the missing ingredient at this point.


https://twitter.com/typesfast/status/1451543776992845834

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1   PerfectlyFlawed   2021 Oct 22, 10:53am  

Bgeezus! And the restrictions on owner-operators of rigs don't help any either!
2   NuttBoxer   2021 Oct 22, 11:18am  

Centralization caused this problem. If they think more centralization will fix it, they're delusional, or intending to make things worse.
3   PeopleUnited   2021 Oct 22, 11:25am  

HunterTits says
Here's a simple plan that @potus and @GavinNewsom partnered with the private sector, labor, truckers, and everyone else in the chain must implement TODAY to overwhelm the bottleneck and create yard space at the ports so we can operate against

1) Executive order effective immediately over riding the zoning rules in Long Beach and Los Angeles to allow truck yards to store empty containers up to six high instead of the current limit of 2. Make it temporary for ~120 days.

This will free up tens of thousands of chassis that right now are just storing containers on wheels. Those chassis can immediately be taken to the ports to haul away the containers

2) Bring every container chassis owned by the national guard and the military anywhere in the US to the ports and loan them to the terminals for 180 days.

3) Create a new temporary container yard at a large (need 500+ acres) piece of government land adjacent to an inland rail head within 100 miles of the port comple...


Seems like good, reasonable solutions, which is why fake potus and the powers that be will not even consider them, let alone implement them.
4   Ceffer   2021 Oct 22, 11:28am  

It's so bad, they are auctioning containers full of third world hookers for two cents on the dollar.
5   Eric Holder   2021 Oct 22, 11:44am  

PeopleUnited says
Seems like good, reasonable solutions, which is why fake potus and the powers that be will not even consider them, let alone implement them.


Buttplug is too busy learning breastfeeding and Cornholio is too far gone to even understand what's going on.
6   Tenpoundbass   2021 Oct 22, 11:55am  

If Trump were President he would solve the bottle neck, and the ports would be operational within a week.
I'm sure there is land they could rent near the terminal to unload and stage empties, get all hundred cranes working, only having to deal with frames ready for full containers.
He could have it cleared in a week.

This feckless administration acts like being inept, derelict, and incompetent is a badge of honor. While they say every crisis in America will be the Norm past next year.
7   porkchopXpress   2021 Oct 22, 12:02pm  

But his Tweets hurt my heart, so no thanks to Cheetoh Mussolini!!!
8   Shaman   2021 Oct 22, 1:42pm  

I sure miss a great economy, no unconstitutional mandates, $2.75 gas, and mean tweets!

That list sounds about right. At my terminal we have half our ship cranes idle, are using almost all our storage space, and are using all our yard cranes to load cans on trucks.
I like the proposed solutions. They might work.
But the ship total out there is now over 100.
And no, the port is NOT working 24/7. It’s not even working 24. No operators are working a third shift. There isn’t labor enough to fill the first two.
9   PeopleUnited   2021 Oct 22, 8:32pm  

The shortages will continue until morale improves.
10   Automan Empire   2021 Oct 22, 10:49pm  

Tenpoundbass says
If Trump were President he would solve the bottle neck, and the ports would be operational within a week.


I'm betting people who actually WORK at the port hear Biden talk about how he's gonna fix the ports and think, "Weird flex, but OK." I also think all this talk about how Trump would have handled it amounts to fanfic.

Micromanaging outside one's area of personal expertise is not considered a feature among executives anywhere.

Additionally, the problems at the ports are a concatenation of numerous bottom-up, systemic problems with the workplace and society at large. There aren't a couple of levers at the ports some maverick outsider can come and pull differently that can fix a working class unwilling to be exploited for peanuts and an American Dream that is receding away from the reach of ever higher classes of Americans.
11   HeadSet   2021 Oct 23, 6:50am  

Automan Empire says
Additionally, the problems at the ports are a concatenation of numerous bottom-up, systemic problems with the workplace and society at large.

That sounds a bit patronizing.

The difference between how executives or leaders would get something done depends on what they actually want done and what they consider constraints. For example, one leader may have brought in nationwide truck and rail assets to organized removal of the empty containers to be temporarily stored on Federal property, while another leader would limit action to expended hours of existing assets to preserve Union rules. Same idea with the complex border issue. One leader may build a wall and have a remain in Mexico policy and start going after employers of illegals (the Tyson plant in Georgia), while another leader may take down the wall, allow illegals to remain in the US while awaiting hearings, and even actually disperse the illegals throughout the US to get rid of the bad optics crowd at the border.
13   Tenpoundbass   2021 Oct 23, 11:21am  

Automan Empire says
Micromanaging outside one's area of personal expertise is not considered a feature among executives anywhere.


It's not micromanagment to probe an asshole trying to phone it in, and drag the situation down.

Trump would ask, what's the hold up? The commie fuckface shit asses would then say... "Well harmph we don't have anywhere to unload the empty trailers!"
Trump would then make one phone call to the property owner adjacent to the port and ask them pretty fucking please with a god damn cherry on top, can the port use your 100 acre lot to store empty trailers until we sort this shit out?

They would say sure, why the hell not? And ask if he can get a selfie with his son with Trump to post on Facebook. But then Pencil neck hater fuckface Peter Schiff would try to make a process crime out of it, and claim that the transaction amounted to qui pro quo. It's just how the Commie Fagsters roll. They are Defeatist Mother Fuckers that don't give a fuck about nothing but sodomizing little helpless boys. And don't you dare to take control and make things better or they will find away to persecute you for it, and everyone that ever mentioned your name.

Go play Defeatist somewhere else, I for one remember when America wasn't ran by a bunch of failure losers who were so quick to concede to adversity and complications. Real, self imposed or otherwise.
15   Automan Empire   2021 Oct 23, 1:13pm  

HeadSet says
That sounds a bit patronizing.
HeadSet says
One leader may build a wall and have a remain in Mexico policy and start going after employers of illegals (the Tyson plant in Georgia),


Talk about patronizing. Your fanfic wrote in the course of action Trump COULD have taken that would not only be revenue positive, it would negate the need for the wall. BUT HE DIDN"T TAKE IT, so you don't get to invoke it here like "your" sportsball team's signature play. It's easy to offer up pat solutions using available methods that were left on the table. Some go farther and make up solutions "their" party would use when they don't exist.

Tenpoundbass says
Trump would then make one phone call to the property owner adjacent to the port and ask them pretty fucking please with a god damn cherry on top, can the port use your 100 acre lot to store empty trailers until we sort this shit out?


An empty 100 acre lot just conveniently sitting idle in some of the most densely developed out and expensive real estate on the coast? Sure buddy we'll get right on that. This is LESS useful than the actual show flexing Biden has done. Great job there, offering up solutions that don't even exist. Would you like assistance patting yourself on the back now?



HunterTits says
He did this on Twitter with serial Tweets. I am cutting & pasting it here.

Of course, he's grandstanding for his own benefit.


Appreciate you bringing firsthand reporting to the discussion, biased though it may be.
16   komputodo   2021 Oct 23, 8:30pm  

Isn't that port owned by chinese?
17   B.A.C.A.H.   2021 Oct 25, 2:15pm  

Thank you to OP for sharing this. I have a (distantly-related) "nephew" Philippine national who is a crew member on one of those ships in the queue. Since he recently got close enough to shore for a cellphone tower, he posted a photo of how it looks like from his perspective on the ship, mainly to let his wife in the Philippines know he safely made it across the pond.

He (and so I assume, others in the crew) was clueless about the big picture situation. All he knew was that a five day delay at LA terminal was on the ship's itinerary. I shared the OP's post with him, and a link to another article.
18   Bd6r   2021 Oct 25, 2:43pm  

No significant backlogs in BUSIEST ports of US - South Louisiana and Houston, which each handle more than double the tonnage of Long Beach. I wonder why these function properly?

BTW I don't think that Bidet should interfere with operations of a specific port. If Feds attempt to rescue or fix local incompetence, they will introduce moar regulations which in long run is much worse. What is next, Bidet filling potholes in Cleveland, Ohio?
19   Tenpoundbass   2021 Oct 25, 3:17pm  

Automan Empire says
An empty 100 acre lot just conveniently sitting idle in some of the most densely developed out and expensive real estate on the coast? Sure buddy we'll get right on that. This is LESS useful than the actual show flexing Biden has done. Great job there, offering up solutions that don't even exist. Would you like assistance patting yourself on the back now?


There's plenty of space for empty containers.

https://zoom.earth/#view=33.76931,-118.248766,16z
20   Michael Cooke   2021 Oct 25, 3:42pm  

The Mafia has a long history with the ports. Specifically exerting control over the ILWU. The ILWU has an extensive history of working slow in the past . They've shut down the LA/LB port many times in the past. Something about this feels deliberate.
21   Eric Holder   2021 Oct 25, 3:55pm  

Tenpoundbass says
Automan Empire says
An empty 100 acre lot just conveniently sitting idle in some of the most densely developed out and expensive real estate on the coast? Sure buddy we'll get right on that. This is LESS useful than the actual show flexing Biden has done. Great job there, offering up solutions that don't even exist. Would you like assistance patting yourself on the back now?


There's plenty of space for empty containers.

https://zoom.earth/#view=33.76931,-118.248766,16z


The aerial picture can be several months, if not years, old.
22   Tenpoundbass   2021 Oct 25, 4:45pm  

Eric Holder says
The aerial picture can be several months, if not years, old.


That image IS old as fuck. I thought it was live Sat, the site claims to be, but apparently only when zoomed out to the clouds, to view the weather.
I missed the banner that said zoom out for live image.

Funny you can't get any live Satellite maps now, unless you subscribe to an expensive service.

There used to several that had at least a daily updated images
23   Automan Empire   2021 Oct 25, 6:03pm  

Some of the imagery 20 and 90 miles away that I'm intimately familiar with is over a year old using the linked viewer.

Google Earth has imagery of the Port of Long Beach taken 8/1/21. It shows a LOT more empty yards from the first viewer now full of containers, and trains full of containers on all the parallel tracks in the area.

Like 10 years ago I showed some of my employees Google Earth when it had just been upgraded for home users. I was asking their home addresses, then zooming, panning, tilting, changing time of day etc. The first two guys thought it was really neat. The third guy was quiet once we zoomed in on his house, and as I talked and moved the view about, you could almost FEEL waves of unease radiating off of him. Finally he could contain it no more, and burst out, "MY TRUCK IS NOT THERE!" Everyone laughed in order of getting it except him... he had to have it explained by not only me, but his fellow production worker, that it was not a LIVE satellite image.

There used to be a flash cartoon in the early days of cell phones that was a fake "cell phone tracker" where you'd call a colleague over and enter their wife's cell phone number. Then you'd watch it going through the motions of "region... pinging off local tower... satellite image... zoom..." then it ended with a cartoon of a satellite eye view of a couple out by a lake hooking up against a car.
24   Automan Empire   2021 Oct 25, 7:34pm  

I was just looking at the latest Google Earth images. It's cool, you can see where they're expanding the island and literally making more land for docks, railyard, and container storage. You can see a dredge and barge pulling sand and silt from the navigation channel, and from there a pipe running over the surface at least half a mile to a discharge area where you can see it belching out the sand and sludge used as fill, and nearby a settling pond for the water that is slowly getting backfilled as they go. You can see they've already got part of the extension for the rail lines graded and graveled in. A lot of the "extra hundred acres" you see in the port area is literally new land currently under construction. The only reason it's not currently being used to store containers is because it's not finished yet. You can see containers shoehorned right up to the edge of the existing pavement at the edge of the new construction zone, and remember that was almost 3 months ago. All the way up wilmington you can see the container yards along where the rail lines and freeways fan out from the port area, that they're talking about allowing higher stacking temporarily.

There's STILL not extra land in all that area that can be used to begin storing more empties, and at this point, staging empties nearby isn't the bottleneck to port throughput any more, if it ever was. It's just another pain in everyone's ass who's in logistics right now.
25   Patrick   2021 Oct 25, 8:24pm  

komputodo says
Isn't that port owned by chinese?


Indeed it was, but Trump made them sell it:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/05/trump_administration_forces_china_to_sell_the_port_of_long_beach.html

Maybe they still have enough influence to snarl it at will.
26   B.A.C.A.H.   2021 Oct 25, 8:29pm  

Now I understand why the delivery area behind the Target on Coleman Ave in San Jose was lined with empty containers. I've driven that space for years as a shortcut to Autumn Parkway. It never had shipping containers all over the place. Now there's so many you can barely navigate your vehicle through there. Target wants to send its trucks back to the harbor without an empty.
27   Automan Empire   2021 Oct 25, 8:30pm  

Patrick says
Maybe they still have enough influence to snarl it at will.


Even if they had the means and opportunity, what is their motive here, impeding flow of chinese commerce? To hurt both parties in perverse hope it hurts America more?

China can ill afford to willfully hurt revenue streams right now. They have enough shit collapsing already as it is.
28   Patrick   2021 Oct 25, 8:53pm  

Automan Empire says
what is their motive here, impeding flow of chinese commerce?


General collapse of their biggest rival.

Automan Empire says
China can ill afford to willfully hurt revenue streams right now. They have enough shit collapsing already as it is.



I got the impression they were doing rather well at the moment in spite of Evergreen.
29   PerfectlyFlawed   2021 Oct 29, 12:14pm  

I remember a little over a year ago there was a massive shortage of these conex containers that caused the price of renting them to increase like 75% or so, now its totally reversed..
30   Automan Empire   2021 Oct 29, 1:56pm  

HunterTits says
started on some of his recommendations.


"Move Christmas to April, because that's when you're going to get your stuff."
-Last line of the article.
31   Automan Empire   2021 Oct 29, 3:04pm  

That last was said by one of the smaller trucking company owners immersed in the situation, in agreeing that the problem is going to take months to resolve no matter how many "good ideas" get thought up.
32   AmericanKulak   2021 Oct 29, 5:45pm  

Why would a trucker who has to pay a fortune for Buffet-Biden Diesel want to make pennies to go to Cali to pick up a load, only to find out they won't let him pick up, or get a hotel, or stop at a diner without showing proof of Vax?

Plenty of space in Florida ports! Too bad these oversized Container Ships can't make it through the Canal.

Never reduce your options and make yourself dependent on one thing, the Port of Long Beach.
33   Automan Empire   2021 Oct 29, 8:06pm  

I live in the Long Beach area, so port news has been local to me since the newspaper days. Over the last 30 years, they have spent literally billions of dollars on infrastructure in and around the ports here. It probably has roots in the way the city and industry/logistics worked together during the 1984 Olympics to make the event almost pleasant traffic-wise, despite a huge influx of visitors and extra activity. Port area upgrades have included building the Alameda rail corridor from the ports to the downtown railyards below grade so it doesn't affect vehicle traffic, widening and off-grading the BNSF rail corridor, widening the 710 freeway and improving some interchanges, and replacing and upgrading huge aging legacy bridges. Intermodal facilities and rail lines and yards have been built, expanded, and upgraded all the way out to Barstow, Indio, and beyond. At the port itself they have literally built new land to add docks and rail lines for more offloading of container ships. Another huge upgrade they dragged their feet on but finally put in is "shore power" connections for ships, so they can shut down their engines while in port instead of running them or APUs for necessary electricity. This is important, for I remember 20 years ago standing at the end of the pier at Newport Beach, breathing in the wind blowing strongly from water to over the horizon. And what did it smell like? Strongly of particularly bad diesel exhaust fumes, from ships in the port! Much of the time, prevailing winds aren't that kind and blow directly onto densely populated land from the ports.

All of these improvements and investments over time HAVE improved overall efficiency of the port and the city around it. Traffic and city life is minimally disrupted by cargo traffic, and this also vastly improves the efficiency of moving the cargo, reducing energy costs and pollution including carbon footprint. It's a win for everyone.

That makes it all the more puzzling to see port capacity tested to reveal deficiencies resulting in this level of backlog. I'm waiting to hear from a GF's relative who works at the port for his input. Where we're at now is probably compounded by a lot of short term expediencies like storing containers in unusual places not being resolved in the expected short term and now getting in the way of regular operations, much less scaling up more. This has led to perverse demands on truckers like only making drop-offs of empty container time slots available AFTER all time slots for picking up full containers have ended. Heading to the port with an empty is almost a guaranteed waste of a day for a trucker right now, and deadheading in with an empty chassis IF one is even available to pick up a loaded container really cuts into the profitability of truck runs to the port.

Local government agencies have started cracking the whip themselves with new daily fines for containers left longer than certain number of days depending if for truck or intermodal. They say "we hope the law is a failure in collecting fines, because it means the cargo is moving!" However, the fines just add financial burden to the container/shipment owner, who has only the power to crack the demand whip on his supply chain providers while not being able to do jack fucking shit to address the actual reasons the containers are sitting so abnormally long at port in the first place.
34   Patrick   2021 Dec 8, 10:54am  

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/government-mandates-destroying-trucking/?source=patrick.net

Why can’t companies retain truckers? One reason is that a bureaucratic mandate has changed the industry

“If you could change one thing about the trucking industry,” I ask Jack, “what would it be?”

“They won’t leave the logbooks alone,” he says. “Ever since they mandated ELDs, this industry got stupid.”

ELDs are “electronic logging devices.” Since 2017, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) has mandated that most commercial drivers have ELDs hardwired to their engines to track their hours of service. That means truckers have a fourteen-hour window in which they can drive eleven hours, and they are required to be off-duty for at least ten consecutive hours. ...

The truckers I spoke to explained how the mandate cuts both ways by limiting drivers’ output and making them drive when they don’t want to.

“It forces you to drive, because your electronic log starts,” says Jack. “If you want to stop, you can’t. If you run into a friend and want to visit over a cup of coffee for a couple hours while you wait for rush hour to die down, you can’t.” ...

“By the time you wash your clothes, get something to eat, shower, you’re down to $225. Food on the road isn’t cheap. Every truck stop you go to — there’s drinks, coffee, showers — you’re spending money. I used to take 100 bucks a week when I’d go out. By Wednesday, I was broke.”

Jack tells me that under the ELD mandate, everyone is starting and stopping at the same time, because the truck drivers all pick up freight when the loading docks open first thing in the morning, they go all day because the clock is literally ticking, and they all stop at the same time when they simultaneously clock out at night.
35   NuttBoxer   2021 Dec 8, 2:27pm  

Anyone still in favor of government and centralization ^^

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