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Trump and the Vaxx


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2021 Nov 29, 9:50am   630 views  25 comments

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https://brownstone.org/articles/a-president-betrayed-by-bureaucrats-scott-atlass-masterpiece-on-the-covid-disaster/


Trump went along with the advice because it was the only advice he was fed at the time. They made it appear that the only choice that Trump had – if he wanted to beat the virus – was to wage war on his own policies that were pushing for a stronger, healthier economy. After surviving two impeachment attempts, and beating back years of hate from a nearly united media afflicted by severe derangement syndrome, Trump was finally hornswoggled.

Atlas writes: “On this highly important criterion of presidential management—taking responsibility to fully take charge of policy coming from the White House—I believe the president made a massive error in judgment. Against his own gut feeling, he delegated authority to medical bureaucrats, and then he failed to correct that mistake.” ...

Large parts of the narrative are devoted to explaining precisely how and to what extent Trump had been betrayed. “They had convinced him to do exactly the opposite of what he would naturally do in any other circumstance,” ...

Atlas summarizes the big picture:

“in considering all the surprising events that unfolded in this past year, two in particular stand out. I have been shocked at the enormous power of government officials to unilaterally decree a sudden and severe shutdown of society—to simply close businesses and schools by edict, restrict personal movements, mandate behavior, regulate interactions with our family members, and eliminate our most basic freedoms, without any defined end and with little accountability.”

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1   tanked   2021 Nov 29, 11:35am  

Have you seen Trump actually support mandates? I have not.

At the Alabama rally he said everyone should take it, they booed, then he said but it's freedom you can do as you like.

In interviews he has said he only got 1 Pf shot and won't get another since he already recovered. Therefore his status is "not fully vaccinated" from day 1. Most likely it was saline.

He has also said giving it to kids is wrong.

While I would prefer he be more anti mandate than that one statement in Alabama, I can't ignore his high ability to get critical mass to win the presidency and unite the factions.
2   mell   2021 Nov 29, 1:28pm  

tanked says
Have you seen Trump actually support mandates? I have not.

At the Alabama rally he said everyone should take it, they booed, then he said but it's freedom you can do as you like.

In interviews he has said he only got 1 Pf shot and won't get another since he already recovered. Therefore his status is "not fully vaccinated" from day 1. Most likely it was saline.

He has also said giving it to kids is wrong.

While I would prefer he be more anti mandate than that one statement in Alabama, I can't ignore his high ability to get critical mass to win the presidency and unite the factions.


Agreed he never supported the mandates
3   tanked   2021 Nov 29, 2:46pm  

Another point about Trump, he didn't cause any lockdowns it was up to the states. South Dakota for instance never locked down.

However, I would have preferred he enforced the 1st Amendment Right to Assemble nationwide.
4   Patrick   2021 Nov 29, 11:14pm  

mell says
Agreed he never supported the mandates



But he has not opposed mandates either.

Until I hear Trump publicly oppose mandates, I'm against him.

There are some people who say Trump opposes mandates, but they never actually quote him.
5   tanked   2021 Nov 30, 10:22am  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk6HNicFnOQ

Quote at about 20 seconds in:

Trump : "I recommend take the vaccine"

Crowd boos

Trump : "That's ok, that's all right. You got your freedoms. But I happened to take the vaccine. If it doesn't work, you'll be the first to know"
6   mell   2021 Nov 30, 10:39am  

Patrick says
mell says
Agreed he never supported the mandates



But he has not opposed mandates either.

Until I hear Trump publicly oppose mandates, I'm against him.

There are some people who say Trump opposes mandates, but they never actually quote him.


I heard him say multiple time that he opposes them or at least that he would not have enacted any mandates, and that the jab should be voluntarily.
7   tanked   2021 Nov 30, 10:41am  

mell says
Patrick says
mell says
Agreed he never supported the mandates



But he has not opposed mandates either.

Until I hear Trump publicly oppose mandates, I'm against him.

There are some people who say Trump opposes mandates, but they never actually quote him.


I heard him say multiple time that he opposes them or at least that he would not have enacted any mandates, and that the jab should be voluntarily.


Patrick has requested actual quotes if you can find them.
8   Patrick   2021 Nov 30, 10:58am  

Right.

I want to hear Trump say: "I oppose all vaxx mandates."
9   tanked   2021 Nov 30, 11:34am  

Patrick says
Right.

I want to hear Trump say: "I oppose all vaxx mandates."


We might not get it in those exact words but to me what I quoted above qualifies. As always, your mileage may vary.

There is the other angle that Biden said he would not enact them and did, but we know him to be a full on liar. I don't consider Trump at this point to be one.
10   Ceffer   2021 Nov 30, 12:56pm  

Not to be tedious about it, but:

Trump called Covid a psyops fake from the get go. Globalists claimed the world would have to be left in shutdown for 3 to 5 years while they developed and tested a vaccine.

Once the ‘Fear Pandemic’ was successfully launched through relentless MSM fake media pressure, crisis actors, and the bought off hospitals, doctors, and Soros Fecal Implant public health persona and the sheep were properly fear based, Trump knew the gig was up in merely educating the public. Society had already been shut down. The scale and power of the fraud was too great and too successfully implemented.

Trump called bullshit on the Globalists, because he knew they already had their ‘vaccine’ (eugenics bioweapon or not) and could manufacture it now. He knew all the industrial capacity and plans were already in place.

Trump recognized that the real problem wasn’t Covid or the vaccine, it was the fear pandemic and Covid Religion that were the true hazards to getting on with the economy. He also knew that Covid was going to establish the basis for election fraud.

Trump, knowing what they already planned to use as a vaccine, forced them to accelerate their vaccine agenda and told the world that vaccines could be produced very quickly, and that the Globalist position that they couldn’t be manufactured yet, was false.

Trump acted upon the belief that conquering the FEAR pandemic was most important to get the economy back on course and drop the oppression and the attack on civil rights. A vaccine, whether legitimate or purely placebo, was literally the only way to bypass the successfully launched fear pandemic. So, Trump forced the acceleration of the vaccines THAT THEY ALREADY HAD way before their intended target dates. Forcing the acceleration of their agenda was the best way to expose and attempt to defeat it.

Remember, vaccines are not intended by Globalists to cure disease. They are offensive biologic agents used in a declared war against humanity and human rights.

When the damage of the vaccines became apparent, I think Trump’s position is that of a wartime President: there will be casualties, but anything that exposes and causes the opposition to reveal their hand has to be utilized even if there is a cost.

The damage of the vaccines are accruing, so that even the lame dumkopfs are coming around to the fact that they are weapons and have nothing to do with public health. Unfortunately, education of this type requires a body count sufficient to raise awareness.

Trump has always made it very clear that vaccines should be voluntary only, for the fearful who require their panacea to function. He has never stood in favor of involuntary, forced, or coerced vaccines.

I can understand that people are resentful at Trump for tolerating a body count. However, if he came out virulently against vaccines, he would just be tarred and it would be useless. He has acceded to the opposition in order to use their own weapons against them.

People who think that wars are done without body counts and casualties will be mad at Trump, and I understand that, but there needs to be perspective on the massive assault against the whole human race that is being enabled by the Globalist psychopaths, who also have complete control over the press and the financial systems.
11   tanked   2021 Nov 30, 1:25pm  

Ceffer says
Not to be tedious about it, but:

Trump called Covid a psyops fake from the get go. Globalists claimed the world would have to be left in shutdown for 3 to 5 years while they developed and tested a vaccine.

Once the ‘Fear Pandemic’ was successfully launched through relentless MSM fake media pressure, crisis actors, and the bought off hospitals, doctors, and Soros Fecal Implant public health persona and the sheep were properly fear based, Trump knew the gig was up in merely educating the public. Society had already been shut down. The scale and power of the fraud was too great and too successfully implemented.

Trump called bullshit on the Globalists, because he knew they already had their ‘vaccine’ (eugenics bioweapon or not) and could manufacture it now. He knew all the industrial capacity and plans were already in place.

Trump recognized that the real problem wasn’t Covid or the vaccine, it was the fear pandemic and Covid Religion that were the true haza...


Very complex and esoteric but seems correct. It's also been Clif High's take on it.
12   Ceffer   2021 Nov 30, 1:37pm  

"You know, we are in a war, and there is going to be an enemy pretending to be your friend firing bullets at you, and these bullets can kill you."

"I don't see any bullets, you must be crazy."

People start dropping around you both, hit by bullets.

"Can you see them now?"
13   tanked   2021 Nov 30, 1:47pm  

Ceffer says
"You know, we are in a war, and there is going to be an enemy pretending to be your friend firing bullets at you, and these bullets can kill you."

"I don't see any bullets, you must be crazy."

People start dropping around you both, hit by bullets.

"Can you see them now?"


The only thing that confuses me about Clif High's take, is why he's confused that they decided to do this now when it was originally planned for 2030 or 2050. Isn't getting Trump out of office the obvious reason and the one arrow left in their quiver that they hadn't shot after everything else failed?
14   Ceffer   2021 Nov 30, 2:03pm  

I have to look up Clif High. Events are fluid, and as Jeffrey Prather says, no plan survives intact past the first five minutes of its execution (unpredictable nature of events, tactics. responses, fog of war and uncontrollability of future). It does seem that forcing the acceleration of the Globalist strategy has been part of the counter strategy. I imagine this has something to do with military intelligence and their gaming computers in conjunction with Trump.
15   tanked   2021 Nov 30, 2:15pm  

Ceffer says
I have to look up Clif High. Events are fluid, and as Jeffrey Prather says, no plan survives intact past the first five minutes of its execution (unpredictable nature of events, tactics. responses and future). It does seem that forcing the acceleration of the Globalist strategy has been part of the counter strategy. I imagine this has something to do with military intelligence and their gaming computers in conjunction with Trump.


That's amazing that you both have come to the same exact conclusions and you haven't yet heard of him.

Here's a start. He just made a great point - over focusing on the stolen election isn't good strategy when it's clear there is a full on war and that was only one aspect of that.


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16   Ceffer   2021 Nov 30, 5:35pm  

Yeah, never heard of him yet, but thanks, I'm going to check him out. Great minds fart alike.

I think it is just a matter if you followed Trump's arc on the issue that open source can provide the proper sequential conclusions. Trump spent a time unsuccessfully trying to convince the public that Covid was a political scam, and that just wasn't effective against the onslaught of Globalist money, bought politicians, bought press etc.

Trump has generally followed the strategy that if he can't convince the public of the truth, the next best strategy is to use the enemy's tools against them and expose them.
17   Ceffer   2021 Dec 5, 12:31pm  

I have been perusing clif high videos. Yeah, they are thought provoking. He's the gomer guru of fringe perceptions, I gather.

Haven't come across his speculations on Trump and the vax, he's got a zillion vids, but he isn't the only one to believe that Trump's position is a version of war strategy.
18   tanked   2021 Dec 5, 10:55pm  

Ceffer says
I have been perusing clif high videos. Yeah, they are thought provoking. He's the gomer guru of fringe perceptions, I gather.

Haven't come across his speculations on Trump and the vax, he's got a zillion vids, but he isn't the only one to believe that Trump's position is a version of war strategy.


Interesting for sure. He was basically the only one I was following that came to that conclusion but it does not mean he came up with it, only that you and he seem to have a lot of perspective in common.
20   Patrick   2021 Dec 5, 11:51pm  

I agree with Alex Jones on this one.
21   tanked   2021 Dec 6, 1:22pm  

Patrick says
I agree with Alex Jones on this one.


I agree with Alex's and your approach but remain unsure 100% if Trump is pro mandate or not. Ceffer and I think he isn't but we'll have to continue to watch and see. I tend to think he is taking a "the world must be shown that mandates are bad" approach, and if he flat out says they are bad it galvanizes the pro mandate cause.
22   tanked   2021 Dec 7, 8:40pm  

tanked says
Ceffer says
I have been perusing clif high videos. Yeah, they are thought provoking. He's the gomer guru of fringe perceptions, I gather.

Haven't come across his speculations on Trump and the vax, he's got a zillion vids, but he isn't the only one to believe that Trump's position is a version of war strategy.


Interesting for sure. He was basically the only one I was following that came to that conclusion but it does not mean he came up with it, only that you and he seem to have a lot of perspective in common.


He covers it in this latest one. He periodically has in his numerous vids (especially when interviewed by others).


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23   tanked   2021 Dec 7, 11:54pm  

Ceffer says
I have been perusing clif high videos. Yeah, they are thought provoking. He's the gomer guru of fringe perceptions, I gather.

Haven't come across his speculations on Trump and the vax, he's got a zillion vids, but he isn't the only one to believe that Trump's position is a version of war strategy.


Also this one. David keeps Clif discussing at a higher level.


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24   tanked   2021 Dec 8, 5:21pm  

Ceffer says
I have been perusing clif high videos. Yeah, they are thought provoking. He's the gomer guru of fringe perceptions, I gather.

Haven't come across his speculations on Trump and the vax, he's got a zillion vids, but he isn't the only one to believe that Trump's position is a version of war strategy.


Ceffer, if you are interested, add me on discord i'm tanked#1242
25   PeopleUnited   2021 Dec 8, 6:20pm  

tanked says
I tend to think he is taking a "the world must be shown that mandates are bad" approach, and if he flat out says they are bad it galvanizes the pro mandate cause.


I tend to think for Trump that he takes a position when it is politically expedient, in other words he is a politician. But deep down he is an authoritarian, look how quick he moved to ban bump stock, a ban that was ultimately overturned by the courts.

He is not as bad as The Biden and Clinton mafia but he is not the hero we need. If he was a hero he would have led the march to the Capital in January instead of allowing the black ops people to set a false narrative.

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