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AmericanKulak says

Overturning Roe vs. Wade is not just a victory for Pro-Life, it will be a dramatic restoration - and hearty encouragement - of States Rights.

Good point.

AMENDMENT X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I don't see anything in the Constitution about abortion, so it is a states' rights issue for sure.

It could be argued that personhood doesn't start until birth as that is when citizenship is conferred by the Constitution.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

HunterTits says

Misc says

It could be argued that personhood doesn't start until birth as that is when citizenship is conferred by the Constitution.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

Except that when a preggo is murdered it is prosecuted as a double homicide.

Yep, can't have it both ways. Scott Petersen is on death row because he's convicted on two counts of murder for killing both his wife and unborn son but if his wife decided to kill the fetus herself it would've been ok? How is this an equal treatment under the law?

Misc says

It could be argued that personhood doesn't start until birth as that is when citizenship is conferred by the Constitution.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside

Arguments in support of killing the most vulnerable minus any special circumstances (life of mother immediately in jeapordy) is just morally wrong, nevertheless upon legal technicalities its clearly a states right issue and Roe V. Wade has been a soft depopulation & eugenics agenda..

I've been enjoying all the babbling by libby cunts about liberty this and bodily autonomy that during the translation from the court. I bet the very same people will turn around and scream "GET VAXXED OR LOSE YOUR FUCKING JOB!!!" and "MILITARY SHOULD GO DOOR TO DOOR JABBING YOU MOUTHBREATHING FUCKS!!!" if asked about Fed vaxx mandate.

I Misc says

It could be argued that personhood doesn't start until birth as that is when citizenship is conferred by the Constitution.

If you murder a tourist, you'll still be charged with murder. Or an illegal, for that matter.

I noticed that every time the lawyer brought up "The Fetus recoils from being poked or jabbed", Breyer and Sotomayor flipped out, interrupted, and tried to flip the subject.

Comparisons to the 1A and 2A are erroneous because those are explicitly described rights, whereas abortion does not appear at all in the Constitution, and had been illegal under English Common Law for about a mllenium. And for nearly two centuries by most levels of US governance.

Sotomayor was talking about contraceptives and the right of adults to bang whom they wished; the Lawyer correctly pointed out that contraceptives and intercourse don't result in termination, and indeed termination isn't the point of either. That stuffed her craw for a few seconds, but of course she pivoted to something else.

Abortion is legal because the Elite, like Eugenics, want it for depopulation purposes.

Misc says

It could be argued that personhood doesn't start until birth as that is when citizenship is conferred by the Constitution.

That is quit a stretch. By that logic, an already born non-citizen is not a person either. Open season on illegals.

AmericanKulak says

Abortion is legal because the Elite, like Eugenics, want it for depopulation purposes.

The reason it's legal is that it's pointless to prevent it. A woman can bring on a miscarriage by taking an overdose of birth control pills. There's many methods actually.

A woman that doesn't want the kid, probably isn't going to be a great mom.

I don't think an abortion should be taken lightly and would rather see advances in male contraceptives. There's this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4345756/

But it's in development hell, and will remain there because it gives men complete sterility which is easily reversed. It injects a polymer gel into the vas deferens which can be removed at any time. It ends the need for women to remain on contraceptives and it's very inexpensive. Feminists groups have been fighting tooth and nail to prevent it from ever coming to market.

People wishing to end abortion need to concentrate on contraceptives - and not just abstinence. Also a 2 week old blastula isn't the same as a 9 month old fetus. Neither side of the debate seems interested in coming to a real conclusion to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

AmericanKulak says

Abortion is legal because the Elite, like Eugenics, want it for depopulation purposes.

I have long thought the same thing.

The decision up to the SCOTUS here is whether abortion should be regulated federally or by the states. If federally, the reasoning must refer to federal law or the Constitution. A very warped sort of reasoning was used in Roe to declare it a Constitutional issue, and thus subject to the purview of the SCOTUS. But that reasoning was suspect from the beginning, resting on principles and interpretation so shaky and paper-thin that it could blow away under the light of even undergraduate legal analysis.

I think the SCOTUS will overturn Roe, and leave abortion regulation to the states. This is the most legally appropriate interpretation, as the 10th Ammendment gives all the justification needed for this. We already cover Murder under state authority to prosecute and regulate. Murder of unborn children should also be handled by the states.

What will change if Roe is overturned? Not much if you live in a blue state. Not much at all. But at least ten red states have trigger laws that will automatically ban abortion in response to this SCOTUS decision. And for some reason, Democrats care deeply about the right to continue killing black babies in red states they don’t control.

richwicks says

People wishing to end abortion need to concentrate on contraceptives - and not just abstinence.

No one, outside the Pope, is against contraception. High quality condoms are available everywhere. Lots of men have vasectomies. No woman need mess up her body with the pill, just tell Studley "no rubber, no nook,"

richwicks says

Feminists groups have been fighting tooth and nail to prevent it from ever coming to market.

Why would feminists fight male birth control? I thought that would be something they would want.

HunterTits says

So? Should we kill off the already born kids because they have a shitty mom too?

It would have been much better if Mr's Grosskreutz, Rosenbaum, and Huber would have been aborted before their births.

https://notthebee.com/article/justice-thomas-asks-where-abortion-is-found-in-the-constitution-what-specifically-is-the-right-here-that-were-talking-about?source=patrick.net

Justice Thomas asks where abortion is found in the Constitution: "What specifically is the right here that we're talking about?"

HunterTits says

richwicks says

A woman that doesn't want the kid, probably isn't going to be a great mom.

So? Should we kill off the already born kids because they have a shitty mom too?

Don't strawman me. I hate that.

I'm pointing out a shitty fucking woman shouldn't have kids and terminating a pregnancy in early stages can only be regarded as murder through the lens of religious faith, or medical ignorance - given (perhaps incorrectly) that our medical comprehension is correct.

I've seen 4 lives ruined by a slut. The mom, her 2 children, and the poor man that puts up with her shit for his wife.

Single mothers are often some of the most selfish fucking cunts on this planet. I've seen it work out too, but it's only with the support of the parents, and only if the single mother doesn't repeat the mistake. There's a reason there are birth control pills. They are around 100% effective. Failing that, there's other pills like RU486, and failing that, there's early term abortion.

No woman today brings a life into this world "by accident". They intentionally do it.

I'm not a huge advocate for abortion, I think contraception should be improved (and it can be, absolutely, easily) and we're INTENTIONALLY kept in this continual state of conflict. A man that knocks up a woman shouldn't have financial responsibility because SHE CHOSE to have the child. That's a CHOICE today. If she's so religious she recoils at abortion, well, why isn't she so religious to put off getting fucked?

Instead, society pays for their awful choice as it is.

Do you know how my great aunt prevented an unwanted pregnancy? She washed out her vagina with lysol. No shit. She said it was entirely effective. We've had very effective birth control for a LONG TIME. A spermicidal douche will do it. The problem is, women aren't aware of methods that have been very reliable, and have existed for decades. Lysol used to be used for "vaginal freshness". Just like in the 1920's, you'd get a warning on jugs of grape juice that would explain in excruciating detail what you had to be certain not to do lest it turned into wine.

These methods were well known in the 40's and 50's but in the 40's contraception education was more or less illegal. They were under obscenity laws, so it traveled through word of mouth. Similar to how we can't talk about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.

richwicks says

A man that knocks up a woman shouldn't have financial responsibility because SHE CHOSE to have the child.

I respectfully disagree. Wear a rubber if you do not want to be a dad. It takes two to make a child and both need to be responsible.

HeadSet says

I respectfully disagree. Wear a rubber if you do not want to be a dad.

I have 2 friends in younger days who got their gf's pregnant while wearing rubber.

richwicks says

If she's so religious she recoils at abortion, well, why isn't she so religious to put off getting fucked?

Tad of a straw man here, not everyone who opposes abortion is religious. I am not religious at all, but see unrestricted abortion as a major step to denigrating human life. We already had a Governor here in VA who outright supported post-partum abortion (infanticide). So what is next, the ability to terminate post-partum if the kid has a birth defect or other imperfection? Considered a fetus until 3 months past birth? What about birthing a kid as an organ donor? After all, that might save a life. If you think this is extreme slippery slope nonsense, consider how the reasonable steps toward gay rights as humans has led to the unreasonable steps, like teaching gay as "normal" in schools along with 57 genders, puberty blockers, and allowing transwomen to compete in women's sports.

Bd6r says

HeadSet says

I respectfully disagree. Wear a rubber if you do not want to be a dad.

I have 2 friends in younger days who got their gf's pregnant while wearing rubber.

I can't wear them. It totally destroys the act, especially trying to be spontaneous or with kids around. Hold on, let take this thing out of the package and wrap my dick with it. Birth control or vasectomy are the only options, unless they come up with something viable and 100% for guys.

Pulling out has also worked for 8 years as well. Kind of fun too if you have a spouse that doesn't care if you catch my drift.

WookieMan says

I have 2 friends in younger days who got their gf's pregnant while wearing rubber.

Tell them not to turn it inside out and re-use it. Or maybe it wasn't them that got the girlfriend pregnant.
Seriously, how is a condom not effective? They do not break (unless you're that kid who had it in his wallet so long it wore a ring shape in the leather) and they have no trouble containing a large load.

HeadSet says

Tell them not to turn it inside out and re-use it. Or maybe it wasn't them that got the girlfriend pregnant.
Seriously, how is a condom not effective? They do not break (unless you're that kid who had it in his wallet so long it wore a ring shape in the leather) and they have no trouble containing a large load.

One broke it during sex. In the other case, womyn wanted to force him to get married so it was by some kind of her design.

Bd6r says

One broke it during sex.

Terribly unlucky fellow. Not only did he use some old, dry rotted device, but it broke at the precise right time in her cycle to get her pregnant from one shot.

There are hoochies who follow around Athletes, get them to fuck 'em, and take the condom out of the garbage and drip the semen into their vaginas after the dude leaves/takes a shower.

It's a guaranteed income for life.

We have to STOP oversubbing single moms and shame them again.

AmericanKulak says

shame them again.

Removing financial incentives would be sufficient.

AmericanKulak says

condom out of the garbage

I've always flushed a condom.

richwicks says

Single mothers are often some of the most selfish fucking cunts on this planet.

This is a universal truth.

Bd6r says

Removing financial incentives would be sufficient.

Shaming is important, because it helps prevent the problem in the first place. Even if we can get 10% to avoid single motherhood because of shame, it's a huge societal impact, never mind fiscal impact.

Shaming men doesn't work, since men don't get pregnant. It has to be targeted to women.

richwicks says

Single mothers are often some of the most selfish fucking cunts on this planet.

Ask me how I know this is true.

Bd6r says

I have 2 friends in younger days who got their gf's pregnant while wearing rubber.

I break those damn things.

Bd6r says

In the other case, womyn wanted to force him to get married so it was by some kind of her design.

I learned to flush them; some women turkey baste.

HeadSet says

Terribly unlucky fellow. Not only did he use some old, dry rotted device,

Dude. I've broken new ones several times.

just_passing_through says

Bd6r says

I have 2 friends in younger days who got their gf's pregnant while wearing rubber.

I break those damn things.

I have had them break as well.

I find it incredible that you fellows have experienced broken rubbers, as I have used condoms for decades and never had one break. In fact, one can actually stretch a condom over a baseball bat without breaking it. Maybe your girl had a glass of wine, and the residual alcohol from the initial BJ dissolved the latex a tad. Or maybe you snagged the reservoir tip on her IUD. For you gents, I am sure condom structural failure is not caused by contact with sharp, hard scabs lining her vagina. Do not use WD40 as lubricant. Also, be sure to buy condoms in the health care section of the store with names like "Lifestyles" or "Trojan," and not buy them from the toy section where they come in red, blue, and green in a bag with a clown picture on the label. And condoms are single use, do not throw them in the wash to use again next week, even if you keep track so you always use the same rubber on the same girl.

HeadSet says

use the same rubber on the same girl.

Maybe your lady has no ballast?

just_passing_through says

Maybe your lady has no ballast?

Sorry, I am missing the joke. To me "ballast" is stabilizing weight in a ship or part of a florescent light fixture.

HeadSet says

I find it incredible that you fellows have experienced broken rubbers, as I have used condoms for decades and never had one break.

I've broke 3. All in high school. All weren't found out until pull out or high school baby freak out moment so to speak. All Trojan and all fresh from nightstand. No user error either as it's not complicated and all three were daylight hours before my parents got home. So darkness wasn't an issue.

There are errors that occur in every product. I don't know how large a condom "batch" is, but it could be 10's of thousands and one error could mess up a ton of condoms. Happens in every industry. Not saying it's common, but it happens. You also have sneaky bitches that will tamper. I generally trust condoms, I don't like the feel and throwing ropes is more fun in my mind.

I only had them break when I filled them with water and lobbed them in a surgical tubing sling shot onto the street.

HeadSet says

Sorry, I am missing the joke. To me "ballast" is stabilizing weight in a ship or part of a florescent light fixture.

That's right. I was channeling ApocolypesFuck.

WookieMan says

weren't found out until pull out

I knew right away except for one time only the ring was left. The rest was smashed someplace way up inside lol.

I say overturn Roe V Wade and leave it the fuck alone.

RVW was established law, but it was never good enough for the shit stirring commie Libtard scumbags.
They want to promote promiscuity to preteens, then wage legal warfare against Christian entities, and put the tax payer on the hook to pay the satanic abortion doctors.
All of this of course, while the abortion industry is making Billions and Billions a year, with questionable unethical practices of selling body parts. Plus they want to push the boundaries on the definition of Abortion to include fresh born babies.

Fuck all of that! Put it all back it all back in the box, seal it, take it out to the deep blue sea and bury it right next to Osama Bin Laden.

Next time they should keep their commie fucking mouths shut while they are ahead.

Done and DONE!