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BayArea says

I have several family members in the medical field and many more friends. I have never heard of this before as a precaution to Covid.

It's called a secret society. Everyone was very specific about not posting on social media and keeping it 'word of mouth' only.

I talked to a few doctors early on who were using HCQ, Zinc, Vit C, Vit D as a preventative. Once HCQ became a target for a witch hunt, they switched to Quercitin.

I’ve got several family and friends on the protocol now.

My youngest son just started feeling slightly sick last Wednesday with congestion and a sore throat. Nothing significant. He tested positive for Covid for the second time (1st time a year ago) and so far I’m still fine. He’s also immuno compromised because of medication he’s taking. I’m on the protocol and now I have my wife and other son on it given we have a Covid+ in our household.

porkchopexpress says

I’ve got several family and friends on the protocol now.

This whole thing is going to be a word-of-mouth underground campaign and soon, the futuristic Omega variant will only sucker punch dumbasses who didn't follow it.

I bought a vitamin rack on Amazon and it looks like I have a small pharmacy on my dresser.

Now my wife, who is pro vaxx, asks for my magic pills when she feels off.

My peak immuno-vulnerable period (from many years of experience), seems the be the six weeks or so from Nov.7 to around the solstice. That doesn't mean I don't catch things year around, it is just that it is a real immune cratering around this time.

I have been taking ivermectin horse paste and quercetin twice a week prophylactically with the recommended vitamin regimens daily. Although there still seems to be dribbles and sniffles more or less chronically, no acute illness. Every day after the ivermectin/querceetin dose, just the day after, my lungs feel great, no winter asthma feel.

Thanks to Rin for sharing his insights.

My only wish would be for an anal suppository or urethral injection for optimum bioavailability.

I think it may not be good to take ivermectin for a long time. One of the ways it prevents infection with Wuhan Virus is by binding to the ACE2 receptor, but presumably that receptor has some functions you need.

I'm going to stop taking ivermectin prophylactically in two weeks. I just wanted coverage for the vulnerable season. I'll use it the rest of the time only when symptoms arise.

However, there are people that take some every day. I think that's going overboard a bit.

Patrick says

I think it may not be good to take ivermectin for a long time. One of the ways it prevents infection with Wuhan Virus is by binding to the ACE2 receptor, but presumably that receptor has some functions you need.

If you're healthy I wouldn't even worry about ivermectin. Even at 70 or something. It's a sinus infection that a little nasal spray makes go away. Some fatigue for sure. Supplement with normal stuff and you'll be fine. Rest if you even need to. Keep a healthy weight.

The smell thing is really pissing me off though. I'll lose smell to an extent with flu or a cold. It's 100% gone with this. I can't smell anything. Nothing. Cooked what should have been amazing beef tocos tonight. Nothing. Couldn't smell them cooking or taste them. Took a dryer sheet to my nose and rubbed it all over. Nothing. Wife only lost smell for 3 days. I'm on day 2. I skipped going to brunch this morning because what was the point? I can't taste or smell anything. Wasn't worried about spreading it, fuck that. We're all getting this. I'm 60-70% of the chef in the house so to speak, and this sucks right now.

Patrick says

I think it may not be good to take ivermectin for a long time. One of the ways it prevents infection with Wuhan Virus is by binding to the ACE2 receptor, but presumably that receptor has some functions you need.

That's partly the reason for this thread.

Originally, that team was 'all Ivermectin', however, they also realized that that's just the flip side to the Rx mafia credo where "no natural supplements have useful medicinal properties" but using a re-purposed or orphan drug instead a more expensive patented one.

In contrast, taking Quercetin Phytosome long term is probably the best thing one can do as it synergizes with Resveratrol, Turmeric, etc, which assists cross the board.in terms of health conditions and anti-aging effects.

Patrick says

I think it may not be good to take ivermectin for a long time. One of the ways it prevents infection with Wuhan Virus is by binding to the ACE2 receptor, but presumably that receptor has some functions you need.

Jesus, when the "Take ivermectin" craze started, I advised people to understand its mechanisms of action and long term effects, as it's too powerful a drug to casually take prophylactically without risk of serious side effects. The way people here and other forums responded was as if I was telling everyone, "Never try alternatives, 100% believe the MSM narrative! Just get the vax instead!"

Well, in a single dose it is extremely safe. Safer than Tylenol. But long term is a different thing.

Tylenol is actually pretty damn dangerous, paracetamol toxicity is the leading cause of acute liver failure in the US and UK. I once had a young gothy female employee who ate them like Pez, openly knowing the danger, and felt more and more like shit over time.

Also, it would have been nice if people agreed with me then that a single correct dose of IVM would be perfectly safe, and a short course pretty safe. That wasn't the pushback I got at the time, though.

I took 1 IVM 5 days in a row. 12mg per day. No side effects.

That's not the kind of long term I was thinking of. I'm thinking weeks or months.

People were pointing to carefully dosed long term African studies and talking about getting on recklessly (IMO) equated and calibrated amounts of equine ivermectin as a forever supplement with no rest or end time.

Automan Empire says

People were pointing to carefully dosed long term African studies and talking about getting on recklessly (IMO) equated and calibrated amounts of equine ivermectin as a forever supplement with no rest or end time.

And yet somehow in Mexico where they don’t even require a prescription for ivermectin, everyone is doing fine. Giving people more options for health is better than taking them all away “for their health.”

Shaman says

And yet somehow in Mexico where they don’t even require a prescription for ivermectin, everyone is doing fine.

Is that supposed to justify the way some Americans treated it in the ham-fisted way they did, or pose some kind of rebuttal? In Mexico they still practice "Western" medicine even though the equipment in a given town clinic might resemble the Island of Misfit Medical Toys. Doctors understand ivermectin and its effects just fine, from indications, risk factors, dosages, duration, contraindications, etc. and people will consult their doctor even though it's not mandatory to purchase the drug at a pharmacy. Even in the absence of a prescription, the pharmacist will use at least the age, sex, and weight of the intended patient and dispense appropriately sized pills and instructions, of a drug formulated for human consumption.

Have you any information about the experiences and outcomes of Mexicans ACTUALLY taking ivermectin as covid prophylaxis since they're "free" to do so as you brought up implying "everyone" there is?

In any case, what's going on in Mexico with IVM is a FAR CRY from certain Americans claiming taking long term equine ivermectin would be perfectly safe.

Automan Empire says

Tylenol is actually pretty damn dangerous, paracetamol toxicity is the leading cause of acute liver failure in the US and UK. I once had a young gothy female employee who ate them like Pez, openly knowing the danger, and felt more and more like shit over time.

Also, it would have been nice if people agreed with me then that a single correct dose of IVM would be perfectly safe, and a short course pretty safe. That wasn't the pushback I got at the time, though.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Paracetamol is pretty safe if not taken with Alcohol and within the daily dosage limits. There should be close to zero liver toxicity. Sure you shouldn't take it for months or years, but you can certainly take it for many weeks, just don't drink while on it. Ivermectin has to be pretty significantly overdosed to cause any side effects for the "normal" patient. I have not seen any recommendations to go nuts on Ivermectin on the webz

Ivermectin is one of the safest drugs on the planet but I agree it shouldn't be taken long term especially if it's not warranted with other alternatives out there for prevention.

porkchopexpress says

Ivermectin is one of the safest drugs on the planet but I agree it shouldn't be taken long term especially if it's not warranted with other alternatives out there for prevention.

Ppl, there is this concept of cycling.

Let's look at Rx drugs vis-a-vis their natural counterparts:

N-Acetyl-Cysteine vs L-Cysteine (w/ R-Lipoic Acid), 3 days on 3 days off

Aspirin vs White Willow Bark, 3 days on 3 days off

etc,

The idea is that a person doesn't need to overdose nor develop tolerance towards a particular Rx, while at the same time, insuring that those Rx's maintain their efficacy without long term problems for the body.

Rin says

N-Acetyl-Cysteine vs L-Cysteine (w/ R-Lipoic Acid), 3 days on 3 days off

Question...NAC isn't an Rx so why does it need to be cycled like an Aspirin? Haven't you said R-Lipoic Acid is all that's needed (vs NAC) and it can be taken daily in perpetuity?

porkchopexpress says

Rin says

N-Acetyl-Cysteine vs L-Cysteine (w/ R-Lipoic Acid), 3 days on 3 days off

Question...NAC isn't an Rx so why does it need to be cycled like an Aspirin? Haven't you said R-Lipoic Acid is all that's needed (vs NAC) and it can be taken daily in perpetuity?

NAC is an orphaned drug, where yes, it's synthesized (acetylated) from L-Cysteine, a natural occurring amino acid. So to cycle it, you can use both R-Lipoic Acid (natural substance Thiotic Acid) & L-Cysteine (to give a boost than just your protein food supply's worth of Cysteine) 3 days on and then, 3 days of NAC.

Several orphaned drugs are available through vitamin/supplement makers which include things like N-Acetyl-Cysteine, Piracetam, Vinpocetine, etc.

So is there no issue with taking R-Lipoic Acid every day without cycling off of it?

porkchopexpress says

So is there no issue with taking R-Lipoic Acid every day without cycling off of it?

That's right, at least that's been my experience for ten years.

Yes, I've had it every day for the past decade.