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Patrick says

" https://slaynews.com/news/greenpeace-founder-anti-carbon-dioxide-agenda-hoax/ "

From the link: "According to Moore, there is no evidence that anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions are responsible for 'global warming.'"

True! And the science Proves that CO2 is not warming anything. The science of Astronomy for example contradicts Global Warming and throws it out the window as an impossibility:

• If CO2 is causing Global Warming, then where is the Global Warming on Mars with a CO2 concentration exceeding 950,000 ppm? Why is the average temperature of Mars at (minus) -81 °F given that the CO2 in the Martian atmosphere is 950,000 ppm?

• If CO2 is causing Global Warming, then where is the Global Warming on Venus with a CO2 concentration exceeding 970,000 ppm? Venus has the same temperature as Gaia at the one atmosphere level (sea level) with a very minor adjustment for Venus being closer to the Sun.

• How is it humanly possible for alarmists, to find Global Warming on Earth at 400 ppm CO2 but they cannot find Global Warming on Mars and Venus at CO2 levels exceeding 950,000 ppm? No answer.

Watch Dr. Moore on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1667183272864915459

The_Deplorable says

Venus has the same temperature as Gaia at the one atmosphere level (sea level)

I agree with your general point on AGW but that factoid is wrong. The surface temp of Venus is hot enough to melt lead. Are you perhaps meaning at the Venus altitude that would have a pressure equal to one Earth atmosphere? That would be at a very high Venusian altitude.

After I wrote "Venus has the same temperature as Gaia at the one atmosphere level (sea level)"

HeadSet says

"I agree with your general point on AGW but that factoid is wrong. The surface temp of Venus is hot enough to melt lead. Are you perhaps meaning at the Venus altitude that would have a pressure equal to one Earth atmosphere? That would be at a very high Venusian altitude."

Yes! That way we are comparing temperatures at the same atmospheric pressure. Recall that the atmospheric pressure of Venus at the surface is 1,350 psi while on Earth it is only 14.7 psi. So if you increase the Pressure of the Earth's atmosphere to 1,350 psi the temperature will go up just like on Venus -- and this according to the Ideal Gas Law.

The_Deplorable says

So if you increase the Pressure of the Earth's atmosphere to 1,350 psi the temperature will go up just like on Venus -- and this according to the Ideal Gas Law.

Interesting, I never thought of that. I just presumed that Venus did have a runaway greenhouse effect because the atmosphere is virtually all CO2, and much denser than on Earth. I suppose one could point an infrared telescope at Venus to see how much infrared from that high surface temperature is escaping into space.

This neglects the fact that Mar's atmoshpere is 0.095 PSI, compared to Earth's 14.7 PSI. How high would Mar's surface temperature be if it had 1000X the air density at surface level?

Just pointing out that Moore is constructing multiple straw men.

I think the negative effects of AGW are complete bullshit. We are saving the biosphere by adding CO2 to grow more plants, which release more water vapor, which warms the climate. Don't forget, during the last ice age, CO2 concentrations were barely above the 170 ppm that is necessary for plants to survive. These globohomo climate fucks are solely about preserving their waterfront property - they don't give a shit about anything else. A doubling of CO2 would approximately double plant yields. There would be hardly any need for fertilizer. THIS is what globohomo wants to prevent - a way to double the current world population without soylent green.

Forest Management

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/seamen-friday-june-23-2023-c-and?publication_id=463409&post_id=130453469&isFreemail=true

To non-scientists, it seems like hyperbole to say the Atlantic ‘is on fire.’ We’re only talking about an average increase in water temperature of less than one degree. But even slight variations in ocean temperature can dramatically affect weather and sea life.

And the increase isn’t only one degree everywhere. It’s a lot more than that in spots, which will shortly become an important fact.

Whatever is happening, it’s definitely SOMETHING, and most scientists definitely have no idea what’s causing it. ...

Although a few of the many articles stretched the point, trying to claim that man’s carbon activity could be the culprit, there is no possible way that atmospheric carbon could heat the oceans this much through “global warming.” Ethical Skeptic — the same analyst who tracks covid and related death rates — has been watching and writing about this phenomenon for several months now. Paraphrasing Ethical, he proposes that the only possible source of all this energy are deap-sea ocean floor vents pouring vast amounts of superheated water into the oceans out of the Earth’s core.

Ethical’s theory reminded me of another news trend that I’ve observed this year in the scientific press. Excited deep-sea scientists have been discovering many new “hydrothermal vents” in the oceans recently...

A hydrothermal vent is a crack in the ocean’s floor out of which is shooting a vast amount of heated water, like an undersea hot spring. Except super-hot.

Ethical Skeptic has recently been publishing charts of daily sea surface temperatures, and he’s observed the anomaly developing from late last year. Historic levels of heating is showing up in the readings and much of that difference has shown up very, very recently. ...

Even a single degree over the average temperature is statistically significant, as is a one-third degree increase, because of the fact there is SO much water in the oceans. It takes a truly enormous amount of energy to heat it all up. An unimaginable amount of energy.

Especially if you’re talking about heating all that water up QUICKLY.

Ethical’s theory is the only current explanation that makes sense. The only way to generate all that energy is with something like magma or water superheated by molten rock pouring into the ocean somewhere.

Imagine LOTS of new undersea volcanoes. That could do it. ...

And as it happens, we are also seeing hot spots — places in the oceans where temperatures range much higher than one degree — which would be consistent with giant superheated vents, undersea volcanoes, or magma leaks. The hot spots might be located above these areas where super-hot water is gushing into the oceans.

Hot spots are also inconsistent with global warming, for obvious reasons. ...

I have no idea what any of this means, whether it’s something real or is another made up emergency, or whether there is any reason at all to even be concerned about it. Nor do the poor, baffled scientists. In one of the articles I reviewed, when the reporter asked a scientist what to expect in terms of weather and related side-effects from the ocean heating, she replied “Expect chaos.”

In other words, who knows? There doesn’t seem to be anything that can be done about it. We can’t fix this by making our dishwashers work even worse or by putting diapers on cows.

There’s no doubt we’re in for something new. The heating, which seems to have been happening for decades, is accelerating far beyond anything that can be explained by manmade carbon dioxide. And the first sacred cow to be slain will almost certainly be the “climate change” movement. It’s not carbon. It’s the ocean.

So I’m counting this whole thing as a blessing so far.

https://slaynews.com/news/sweden-dumps-climate-agenda-scraps-green-energy-targets/

Sweden has just dealt a severe blow to the globalist climate agenda by scraping its green energy targets.

In a statement announcing the new policy in the Swedish Parliament, Finance Minister Elisabeth Svantesson warned that the Scandinavian nation needs “a stable energy system.”

Svantesson asserted that wind and solar power are too “unstable” to meet the nation’s energy requirements.

Instead, the Swedish Government is shifting back to nuclear power and has ditched its targets for a “100% renewable energy” supply.

The move is a major blow to unreliable and inefficient technology.

Countries are being pushed toward “renewable energy” to meet the goals of the World Economic Forum’s (WEF) green agenda.

1972 - WALTER KRONKITE warns of coming Ice Age on CBS News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2jLXvD9zPs

https://twitter.com/AllBiteNoBark88/status/1673657074956353536

Patrick says

Ethical Skeptic has recently been publishing charts of daily sea surface temperatures, and he’s observed the anomaly developing from late last year. Historic levels of heating is showing up in the readings and much of that difference has shown up very, very recently. ...

Even a single degree over the average temperature is statistically significant, as is a one-third degree increase, because of the fact there is SO much water in the oceans. It takes a truly enormous amount of energy to heat it all up. An unimaginable amount of energy.

Especially if you’re talking about heating all that water up QUICKLY.

Ethical’s theory is the only current explanation that makes sense. The only way to generate all that energy is with something like magma or water superheated by molten rock pouring into the ocean somewhere.

Imagine LOTS of new undersea volcanoes. That could do it. ...

^^^^ THIS

Undersea volcanic activity, especially in the Atlantic, is probably responsible for the majority of CO2 emissions in the last 40 years. Plants consume C02 and the big mountain ranges like the Himalayas and the Andes expose rock which scrubbs C02 from the atmosphere.

I've posted on this before. The cyclical ice ages that have occurred over the last 50 million years are an anomaly that is explained by the collision of the Indian subcontinent with Asia, raising the Himalayas and the Mongolian Plateau. For the previous 200 million years (with the exception of massive asteriod collisions) there were no ice ages on earth. This, despite the fact that the sun was cooler 200 million years ago (look it up).

Climate change is a fucking scam and part of globohomo. Fuck them.

Save the planet - burn some hydrocarbons (as cleanly as possible so as to minimize sulfur dioxides and soot). Thanks - signed, the plant kingdom.

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld/status/1674476438333059072

Kennedy's are mostly awesome. At least two of them.

Patrick says

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld/status/1674476438333059072

What the fuck the head of DOE doing babbling about AGW in the first place? The job of that dept is to make sure we have enough nukes to wipe out USSR and Chyna, nothing more, nothing less.

Onvacation says

Kennedy's are mostly awesome. At least two of them.

They are a mafia family.

People are looking at Robert Kennedy as a savior, it's just a child of a mafia family. They serve themselves. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt i am.

richwicks says

People are looking at Robert Kennedy as a savior,

People, some people, are looking at Trump as a savior. Not many people are looking at RFK Jr as a savior. Not many are looking at him at all.

The system killed his father and his uncle. I would like to see him elected just to see what he does. If not the Dem candidate, which would be very entertaining, at least he might pull votes from Biden.

Onvacation says

People, some people, are looking at Trump as a savior. Not many people are looking at RFK Jr as a savior. Not many are looking at him at all.

The system killed his father and his uncle. I would like to see him elected just to see what he does. If not the Dem candidate, which would be very entertaining, at least he might pull votes from Biden.

I don't disagree.

Any monkeywrench in this fucked up system is a good thing. If I could pick the candidates in 2024, it would be RFK versus Trump, and neither are ideal candidates. If I really could pick, it would Ron Paul versus Mike Gravel. Gravel is dead, and Paul, is ancient.

RFK must realize his father and uncle were killed by the system, but he's part of the system. His father and his uncle opposed it, and he knows not to do that and so, he won't. I don't trust him, BUT, he certainly can't be worse than Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, John McCain, George W. Bush, John Kerry, or Al Gore were. He can't be possibly worse than them - at worst - he will be just like them. Absolute scum.

For the DNC, he's my favorite but there are others NONE of us have heard of. Media doesn't cover them at all. There's a woman, but even I don't know her name. If I don't know her, barely anybody does because I look.

RFK is an anti-vaxxer so he has at least one thing going for him.

Almost finished with:


Well researched, lots of references, and if true, Fauci and Gates are two EVIL mother fuckers.

Onvacation says

I would like to see him elected just to see what he does.

Probably ban ICE cars and gas stoves by the first EO, LOL.

Eric Holder says

Probably ban ICE cars and gas stoves by the first EO, LOL.

Are you going to vote for Biden again?

Eric Holder says

Onvacation says

I would like to see him elected just to see what he does.

Probably ban ICE cars and gas stoves by the first EO, LOL.

This is what Biden is trying to do. So - no loss with RFK. It would just be "as bad", not worse.

It's a real mind twister to me to see how it could be worse.

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

Probably ban ICE cars and gas stoves by the first EO, LOL.

Are you going to vote for Biden again?

No, your two votes will do, just like in 2020.

PS. I guess you are not aware of the position your new Demonrat crush holds on so-called AGW... So sad.

Eric Holder says

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

Probably ban ICE cars and gas stoves by the first EO, LOL.

Are you going to vote for Biden again?

No, your two votes will do, just like in 2020.

PS. I guess you are not aware of the position your new Demonrat crush holds on so-called AGW... So sad.

I don't think @"Eric Holder" is anything other than a troll. I don't think it's serious.

What's AGW?

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

Probably ban ICE cars and gas stoves by the first EO, LOL.

Are you going to vote for Biden again?

No, your two votes will do, just like in 2020.

PS. I guess you are not aware of the position your new Demonrat crush holds on so-called AGW... So sad.

I don't think "Eric Holder" is anything other than a troll.

What's AGW?

I think "richwicks" is nothing but a 10-line script. There is no real human being who doesn't know what AGW stands for or incapable of googling it.

RFK, Jr says climate change will "disrupt" civilization
IrishCentral Staff
3–4 minutes

Kennedy, Jr says “the environment is under assault everywhere”

Robert Kennedy, Jr is warning that climate change will deliver “major disruptions” to both humanity and civilization and outlines what he feels are the necessary solutions.

Read More: US Irish businessman vows to eradicate global poverty in $350 billion plan

Kennedy, Jr was featured on Yahoo Finance’s Influencers series with Andy Serwer on January 16. The president of the Waterkeeper Alliance, RFK, Jr describes himself on Twitter as a "resolute defender of the environment."

When asked about the wildfires that have been ravaging Australia, Kennedy, Jr said that they are a “predictable byproduct” of climate change and spoke of his own experience having to evacuate his California home due to fires.

He said: “All of the modeling for climate change" points to future “storms on steroids, droughts, famine, the disappearance of the ice caps, the disappearance of the glaciers on every continent, and that there's going to be major disruptions, not just to humanity, but ultimately, to civilization.”

Kennedy, Jr attributes the drastic changes to “our longtime deadly addiction to coal and oil.”

Later in the interview, Kennedy, Jr says he has a market-based approach on how to best deal with climate change.

“I believe that we should use market mechanisms, like, like carbon taxes, and the elimination of subsidies. I think that those are the things that would transition our economy, fast as from a coal-based economy.

“We ought to have a market-based economy that does what a market is supposed to do, which is to reward good behavior, which is efficiency, and punish bad behavior, which is inefficiency in ways.

“Right now, we have a market that is governed by rules that were written by the carbon incumbents to reward the dirtiest, filthiest, most poisonous, most toxic, most war-mongering fields from hell, rather than the cheap, clean, green, wholesome, and patriotic fields from heaven. We need to rationalize our marketplace so that it does the things that market is supposed to do, which is to create a society that we're all proud of and that will sustain our children.”

Eric Holder says

I think "richwicks" is nothing but a 10-line script. There is no real human being who doesn't know what AGW stands for or incapable of googling it.

I'm a little more complex than that.

https://www.google.com/search?q=agw

Do you even understand the words, individually? Anthropogenic global warming. What exactly is "anthropogenic"? Do you even know?

I hate it when people use abbreviations and act shocked that people don't recognize them, when they don't understand it themselves.

https://www.wordnik.com/words/anthropogenic

I have infinite ignorance, but I don't lack the ability to think. That puts me in the top 10% of humanity, how depressing is that?

Eric Holder says

the position your new Demonrat crush holds on so-called AGW...

RFK says,

"“Climate issues and pollution issues are being exploited by … mega billionaires” like Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, Kennedy told radio host Kim Iversen over the past weekend. “The same way that COVID was exploited to use it as an excuse to clamp down top-down totalitarian controls on society and then to give us engineering solutions.”

https://www.theepochtimes.com/rfk-jr-says-climate-change-being-exploited-to-push-totalitarian-controls_5236590.html?utm_source=share-btn-copylink
Sounds about right to me.

He'd probably end our war with Russia.

richwicks says

What's AGW?

Anthropogenic Global Warming. It's what they called climate change before the world stopped warming.

Eric Holder says

“Right now, we have a market that is governed by rules that were written by the carbon incumbents to reward the dirtiest, filthiest, most poisonous, most toxic, most war-mongering fields from hell, rather than the cheap, clean, green, wholesome, and patriotic fields from heaven. We need to rationalize our marketplace so that it does the things that market is supposed to do, which is to create a society that we're all proud of and that will sustain our children.”

AGREED!

You aren't arguing against that, are you?

Onvacation says

richwicks says

What's AGW?

Anthropogenic Global Warming. It's what they called climate change before the world stopped warming.

I do have a tendency at this point to ignore "mainstream media". This puts me out of the propaganda loop.

I really don't own a television, and haven't had one since I was 21 or so. Goddamned propaganda box. I fucking hate that goddamned thing.

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

“Right now, we have a market that is governed by rules that were written by the carbon incumbents to reward the dirtiest, filthiest, most poisonous, most toxic, most war-mongering fields from hell, rather than the cheap, clean, green, wholesome, and patriotic fields from heaven. We need to rationalize our marketplace so that it does the things that market is supposed to do, which is to create a society that we're all proud of and that will sustain our children.”

AGREED!

You aren't arguing against that, are you?

Confusing when everybody has the same goals, but are divided by "politics".

I want to make a great society, and I think both parties stand in the way of it, just the democrats are the worst for now - for now.

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

“Right now, we have a market that is governed by rules that were written by the carbon incumbents to reward the dirtiest, filthiest, most poisonous, most toxic, most war-mongering fields from hell, rather than the cheap, clean, green, wholesome, and patriotic fields from heaven. We need to rationalize our marketplace so that it does the things that market is supposed to do, which is to create a society that we're all proud of and that will sustain our children.”

AGREED!

You aren't arguing against that, are you?

It's all BS lefty fluff to make you agree to ditch that horrible ICE car and that horrible gas stove on which you cook that Earth-warming red meat in that inefficient SFH in that unwalkable suburb ... all the way to "own nothing and be happy". All in the name of saving the Earf!

But hey, some do
love eating ze bugz and walking is actually good for you, so not judging.

"Robert Kennedy, Jr is warning that climate change will deliver "major disruptions" to both humanity and civilization... When asked about the wildfires that have been ravaging Australia, Kennedy, Jr said that they are a "predictable byproduct" of climate change... 'All of the modeling for climate change points to future "storms on steroids, droughts, famine, the disappearance of the ice caps, the disappearance of the glaciers on every continent, and that there's going to be major disruptions, not just to humanity, but ultimately, to civilization." Kennedy, Jr attributes the drastic changes to "our longtime deadly addiction to coal and oil." https://www.irishcentral.com/news/robert-f-kennedy-jr-climate-change

All it takes is elementary school science to know that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a hoax.

• If CO2 is causing Global Warming, then where is the Global Warming on Mars with a CO2 concentration exceeding 950,000 ppm? Why is the average temperature of Mars at (minus) -81 °F given that the CO2 in the Martian atmosphere is 950,000 ppm? No answer.

• If CO2 is causing Global Warming, then where is the Global Warming on Venus with a CO2 concentration exceeding 970,000 ppm? No answer. Venus has the same temperature as Gaia at the one atmosphere level (sea level) with a very minor adjustment for being closer to the Sun.

• How is it humanly possible for alarmists, to find Global Warming on Earth at 400 ppm CO2 but they cannot find Global Warming on Mars and Venus at CO2 levels exceeding 950,000 ppm? No answer.

Note to Robert Kennedy Jr:

1. Wildfires in Australia, Canada, the Amazon etc are the predictable result of Arson by environmentalists who are financed by the elites with the main stream media fanning the flames of this fraud.

2. CO2 is life! Without CO2 there is no photosynthesis, there are no plants, no animals and no life on this planet! In addition, humans are exhaling 50,000 ppm CO2. So the notion that CO2 is pollution is bunk.

3. The ice caps and the glaciers are not disappearing. Today the Arctic has a lot more ice than 120 years ago. In 1903 Arctic Explorer Roald Amundsen found the Northwest Passage wide open, while today the Northwest Passage is frozen solid. Did we have Global Warming in 1903? No answer.

4. With the exception of the Little Ice Age - about 400 years ago - this is the coldest period of the Holocene (the last 10,000 years) Therefore, the claim that the Earth is experiencing Global Warming is bunk.

The_Deplorable says

• If CO2 is causing Global Warming, then where is the Global Warming on Mars with a CO2 concentration exceeding 950,000 ppm? Why is the average temperature of Mars at (minus) -81 °F given that the CO2 in the Martian atmosphere is 950,000 ppm? No answer.

Don't make arguments like this. 20 years ago I'd be pointing out your dishonesty because of atmosphere of mars is far far thinner, and you are measuring as a ratio of atmospheric concentration and Mars is also much further from the sun, it gets about 1/2 the sunlight the Earth does.

What's relevant is that the predictions of the past are entirely wrong, that means the model is wrong, which means the science of global warming has no model, which means it's not a science.

It appears, actually, the burning fossil fuels is actually enhancing nature.

Earlier I wrote that "If CO2 is causing Global Warming, then where is the Global Warming on Mars with a CO2 concentration exceeding 950,000 ppm? Why is the average temperature of Mars at (minus) -81 °F given that the CO2 in the Martian atmosphere is 950,000 ppm? No answer."

richwicks says

"Don't make arguments like this. 20 years ago I'd be pointing out your dishonesty because of atmosphere of mars is far far thinner... and Mars is also much further from the sun, it gets about 1/2 the sunlight the Earth does."

Irrelevant. If CO2 is a Greenhouse Gas, then where is the warming on Mars? No answer. And if you are worried about the thinness of the Martian atmosphere and the amount of sunlight it receives then look at Venus. "If CO2 is causing Global Warming, then where is the Global Warming on Venus with a CO2 concentration exceeding 970,000 ppm? No answer. Venus has the same temperature as Gaia at the one atmosphere level (sea level) with a very minor adjustment for being closer to the Sun." And in addition, Venus receives more sunshine!