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#neweuropeanwarpossible Diplomatic talks between the US and Russia failed.
Russia is a giant landmass that covers 7 time zones.
The Russian people will suffer greatly as crippling sanctions kick in. They will also see tens of thousands of their sons, brothers, husbands, sisters, wives, etc. dying on very lethal battlefields. Vladimir Putin will be faced with massive protests and civil unrest that could topple his regime. Think about what happens when a wild and violent animal finds itself cornered. I will leave all of you to reflect on this.
America needs a huge fucking wake up call. We can't keep letting idiots decide on Foreign and Domestic issues, based on Tweet impressions, feelz and nonbinary gender issues.
I hope the cross dressing Generals will go over there personally with their best crackpot team of Tranny Seals and the Queerborne Division, and get their shit kicked in so far, they become a permanent grease spot Biden's forehead.
FuckCCP89 saysFinland? Are you fucking high?
Why not Ireland? or Iceland?
Eric Holder saysOr Austria/Australia?
Everyone knows that Austria and Australia is almost the same.
Eric Holder saysOr Austria/Australia?
Everyone knows that Austria and Australia is almost the same.
Bd6r saysEric Holder saysOr Austria/Australia?
Everyone knows that Austria and Australia is almost the same.
I studied for a year in Austria. It was common for the American students to get letters from the US weeks late because they had been mistakenly routed to Australia first.
make them listen to Pussy Riot on an infinite loop
Maybe so, but I still think she has a point.
George Washington would have said that Russia's border with Ukraine is their problem, not ours.
It was their problem before we extended our "assurances of security and territorial integrity" while stripping them of their strategic toys. It will be again if we returned said toys (or their equivalent).
We've already made a mistake of allowing China to grow into the monster it is now. Think dealing with two totalitarian monsters will be twice as much fun?
Russia is by no means a totalitarian monster, not any more or less than the Ukraine which just had their opposition leader arrested.
False equivalence: one opposition leader under house arrest vs multiple opposition leaders killed or jailed in real prisons. The Russia is absolutely totalitarian monster: ruled by same FSB fuck for the last 20 years while Ukraine has had 5 presidents with very different political views in the same span of time. They fucking jail fucking 16 y.o. kids for planning to blow up FSB building in fucking Minecraft, for fuck's sake.
Eric Holder saysFalse equivalence: one opposition leader under house arrest vs multiple opposition leaders killed or jailed in real prisons. The Russia is absolutely totalitarian monster: ruled by same FSB fuck for the last 20 years while Ukraine has had 5 presidents with very different political views in the same span of time. They fucking jail fucking 16 y.o. kids for planning to blow up FSB building in fucking Minecraft, for fuck's sake.
Additionally, Chechen war(s), FSB blowing up residential buildings in 1999, and occupation of parts of Moldova and Georgia come to mind.
In the days of a nuclear deterrence galore expressed by many countries this is not an issue, Russia will not be more or less dangerous than before. Anybody who starts a war with a nuclear power - even if their nukes may not reach the aggressor in which case they may attack the closest "ally" - risks a lot of destruction, regardless of the size of the country being attacked.
“Let’s set the record straight. There is no argument over the choice between peace and war, but there is only one guaranteed way you can have peace–and you can have it in the next second–surrender.
Admittedly there is a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson in history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face–that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight and surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand–the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for “peace at any price” or “better Red than dead,” or as one commentator put it, he would rather “live on his knees than die on his feet.” And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don’t speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery. If nothing in life is worth dying for, when did this begin–just in the face of this enemy? Or should Moses have told the children of Israel to live in slavery under the pharaohs? Should Christ have refused the cross? Should the patriots at Concord Bridge have thrown down their guns and refused to fire the shot heard ’round the world? The martyrs of history were not fools, and our honored dead who gave their lives to stop the advance of the Nazis didn’t die in vain. Where, then, is the road to peace? Well, it’s a simple answer after all.
You and I have the courage to say to our enemies, “There is a price we will not pay.” There is a point beyond which they must not advance. This is the meaning in the phrase of Barry Goldwater’s “peace through strength.” Winston Churchill said that “the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits–not animals.” And he said, “There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty.”
You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness. “
mell says
Russia is by no means a totalitarian monster, not any more or less than the Ukraine which just had their opposition leader arrested.
False equivalence: one opposition leader under house arrest vs multiple opposition leaders killed or jailed in real prisons. The Russia is absolutely totalitarian monster: ruled by same FSB fuck for the last 20 years while Ukraine has had 5 presidents with very different political views in the same span of time. They fucking jail fucking 16 y.o. kids for planning to blow up FSB building in fucking Minecraft, for fuck's sake.
Why is the US meddling
IF they seize the Ukraine (which they won't) they will gain technology knowledge that makes them more dangerous than the nukes they already have?
We've been delivered an ultimatum, in case you didn't notice. Not just "abandon Ukraine", but "remove troops and weapons from Eastern Europe".
PS. Erdogan simply shot down Russian jet when the fucker stepped over the line and that was the end of that incursion. Trump killed 300 their troops when they wanted to kick US-supported forces from some oil field and it was the end of that one. This is how you deal with these fucks: kick them in the nuts - it's the only language they understand.
mell saysIF they seize the Ukraine (which they won't) they will gain technology knowledge that makes them more dangerous than the nukes they already have?
Because conventional weapons matter. And because that tech will flow to China. Read up on Motor Sich and China's attempt to get to that particular tech.
Most Western European countries have been "protected" by NATO, now that NATO has become obsolete UK's and France's many hundreds of nuclear warheads are not enough? Just trying to figure out what the US interest here is
China owns xiden, they can get any tech they want just straight from the US.
mell saysMost Western European countries have been "protected" by NATO, now that NATO has become obsolete UK's and France's many hundreds of nuclear warheads are not enough? Just trying to figure out what the US interest here is
US interest is quite obvious: peace and stability in Europe. It went shit twice in the last century and nobody liked the results. You propose to believe some fuck who already violated tons of legally binding agreements that he'll stop where you think he will stop and not where his openly proclamed dreams lead him? Want to buy a bridge too?
So what? So did Merkel for 16 years. Many countries without term limits have long serving leaders. Fact is that people living in Russia, whether life is glorious or not there, have quite a lot of freedom as long as they don't become vocal political opponents. Similar to many pseudo democracies in the world. Many more will be added soon, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, if their trend doesn't reverse.
Fact is that people living in Russia, whether life is glorious or not there, have quite a lot of freedom as long as they don't become vocal political opponents
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What does this mean for you? Will you see Russian nuclear warheads raining down on Europe, the US, etc? Let us get some perspective here. Russia is a giant landmass that covers 7 time zones. It has a population of 140 million people that is declining due to massive alcoholism, Covid-19, and AIDS. (Russia now imports farmers from India and gives them farmland to work.)
Let us compare Russia to the greater New York City metropolitan area. New York City has roughly the same gross domestic product as Russia. The New York City greater metropolitan area contains 8% of the US industrial capacity. This is equal to the total industrial capacity of Russia.
What I have seen with my own eyes is that small mistakes and misunderstandings can accumulate until they become a disaster. This whole situation with Russia is very dangerous because of the high probability of a miscalculation or mistake leading to a large-scale armed conflict.
What you will see is gasoline and natural gas prices go much higher. The US, Canada, Brasil, Argentina, etc. have good local supplies of oil and gas. Europe is not in that position with the exception of, perhaps, Norway. Natural gas not only heats apartments and homes but is also a building block in the production of fertilizer that is vital for farmers to grow crops. Countries with natural gas in the ground will be able to buy gas at some price (if local people can afford it.) Europe could see a situation where there is little natural gas available.
Financial markets will tumble in a panic over the conflict. Your retirement investments will be hurt. Even China and Japan, and India will be hit hard. Economies around the world will slip into recession.
The Russian people will suffer greatly as crippling sanctions kick in. They will also see tens of thousands of their sons, brothers, husbands, sisters, wives, etc. dying on very lethal battlefields. Vladimir Putin will be faced with massive protests and civil unrest that could topple his regime. Think about what happens when a wild and violent animal finds itself cornered. I will leave all of you to reflect on this.