patrick.net

I also can't trust the Western Press to do interviews with Ukrainians and get the nay sayers or the "Fuckitall" types --- just the "We'll fight to the last man!" types.

Looking at the refugee stream, alot of Ukrainians are like "Here's my chance to get out of this hell hole"

IF Ukraine stays independent, expect the Euros who let MENA economic migrants from Eritrea stay indefinitely, set a time for Ukrainians to return to Ukraine.

Bd6r says

Babchenko link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U4F9KB1fLo&source=patrick.net (sorry for craptube).

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Bd6r says

Igor Strelkov link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqjCPelQ_w8&source=patrick.net

Thanks, good info.

One thing I'd add about Strelkov. It seems that he has a chip on his shoulder, because of his current status. He said things before which imply he's unhappy and not getting the recognition that he thinks he deserves. The "only if he was still calling the shots, we'd be so much better off!" kinda things. It doesn't make his point invalid, but it may show bias.

By the way, in case someone doesn't know what it means to have been "the first defense minister for Doneck Republic". It was his regiment that crossed over from Russia and started the process which turned that entire region into the hellhole in 2014.

that's typical NAZI! behavior. Or is it GLOBOHOMO?
Booger says

AmericanKulak says

"We red dawn'd the Russians just inside the border, Lookit this unprovenced short films that prove it. Nevermind our proven BS about Snake Island, the Nuclear Reactor, and the Ghost of Kiev Super Special Fighter Ace"

and

"Help, No Fly Zone! Russians take and flatten another city further down the road from the last one"

Can't be simultaneously true.

Fog of War (c)
both sides will lie whenever it is to their benefit.

Wow, look at this guy and this guy, these anonymous anybodies who nobody has heard of, fighting so hard!

Meanwhile, Media downplays this:

Bd6r says

RC2006 says

Before you start throwing around IQ take a hard look at US leaders.

We did have Trump for a while.

Right, the moron president who was the first president in 4 decades that couldn't figure out how to start a new stupid fucking war.

That's the stupidity I want.

richwicks says

That's the stupidity I want.

My point was that Trump was not stupid.

Putin has supposedly asked for a truce via Israel

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/newkc14/status/1500227909147111432?source=patrick.net#m

Not sure of course, but this source is usually reliable.

Bd6r says

Putin has supposedly asked for a truce via Israel

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/newkc14/status/1500227909147111432?source=patrick.net#m

Not sure of course, but this source is usually reliable.

Russians always ask for truce when they need to regroup and resupply. Since logistics seems to be their Achilles heel, I'd not fall for it in Ukies place.

Bd6r says

Putin has supposedly asked for a truce via Israel

Yeah, he is either losing, or trying to quit while he is still ahead.

ChauvinsKnee says

Russians always ask for truce when they need to regroup and resupply. Since logistics seems to be their Achilles heel, I'd not fall for it in Ukies place.

Agreed, same behavior as in Chechnia

This is really sad how easily people are led around by the nose from one propaganda campaign to the next. Same liars telling lies you'd like to believe, and now you're all onboard. Anyone can see through propaganda not aimed at them, it's the stuff that agrees with your world view that shows whether you're capable of independent thought or not. You didn't fall for the scamdemic, but you've fallen for Afghanistan 2.0. Covidian or Ukrainite, doesn't matter, you're all the same.

Damned foreigner comes with sword to East European village, he will die by the sword. No propaganda and deep ideological convictions needed. P. S. When was last time when Patnet Ukraine specialists were in Ukraine? How many of Patnet armchair Ukraine/Russia specialists can at leadt understand if not fluently speak Russian and Ukrainian? And if they cant, who is the victim of propaganda and not understanding of what the hell goes on there?

Set up a mercenary fund and accept crypto as a form of payment. Send an army of mercenaries to Ukraine and pay out rewards for any head of Russian soldiers.

Bd6r says

ChauvinsKnee says

Russians always ask for truce when they need to regroup and resupply. Since logistics seems to be their Achilles heel, I'd not fall for it in Ukies place.

Agreed, same behavior as in Chechnia

This is all good and welcome news if true.

Bd6r says

Damned foreigner comes with sword to East European village, he will die by the sword. No propaganda and deep ideological convictions needed. P. S. When was last time when Patnet Ukraine specialists were in Ukraine? How many of Patnet armchair Ukraine/Russia specialists can at leadt understand if not fluently speak Russian and Ukrainian? And if they cant, who is the victim of propaganda and not understanding of what the hell goes on there?

I doubt 2 narratives. 1 is that every Ukranian wants to die for the Zelinsky govt and 2 is that the amount of pro Russian people in the Ukraine is ultra low. This is from personal experience, yet anecdotal. That's also why I think talks are a good thing rather than pushing putler into a corner. It's unnecessary to escalate this at this point, sanctions are biting as well.

Bd6r says

that's typical NAZI! behavior. Or is it GLOBOHOMO?
Booger says

fake made up news.

mell says

doubt 2 narratives. 1 is that every Ukranian wants to die for the Zelinsky govt and 2 is that the amount of pro Russian people in the Ukraine is ultra low.

You are right to doubt these as they are not true. Even if you replace Ze govt with Ukraine which is more precise, it will nit be true. However, even in US not everyone will be ready to die for Bidet administration/US if for example Chinese invade.

Henry Kissinger was exactly correct. Building healthy respectful relationships should be the goal of America, vs. encouraging friction and the threat of war. Are people really so eager to give their lives and the lives of their loved ones to make a point that America is right and other countries are wrong regarding how they govern within their borders. America is far from perfect. The audacity of the US to be constantly criticizing how other countries lead within their borders is ludicrous. We are far from perfect and if anyone has noticed lately, America is a very divided country, with huge disparities in standard of living, a poor health care system with rampant overpricing, one of the lower life expectancy rates of developed countries, high infant mortality, a government run by special interest groups, and lobbyists employed by corporations that continue to rob the American people of a healthy and upwardly mobile standard of living, with the highest cost of health care of any country. We in America are used to these things, but when judged by someone outside of America, they would rightly be viewed as major problems for the American people with a government that doesn't care about the welfare of most of its citizens. In spite of these injustices within our borders, no other country has the righteous attitude that they should dictate how America is run. Should China or Russia comment on our racial injustices, gun violence, immigration debacles, or other American internal issues? America needs to get a grip, and stop criticizing foreign countries unless they are a threat to America or American allies.
There can be great benefit in countries being economically engaged with one another. Consider a time when we (Russia, China, America, Europe, and other nations) are all benefitting from one another economically and each country is enriched through these interconnections. Would any of those countries want to hurt the other? No they would not because they would then be hurting themselves. That is the way to have peace in the world. Everyone benefits from each other, and it's in everyone's best interest to continue to prosper and grow. That's it. Unfortunately America would rather continue with their holier-than-thou, judgmental behavior, rather than establishing respectful relationships that work together and build alliances that help one another grow, thrive and coexist in strength and unity.

Bd6r says

Damned foreigner comes with sword to East European village, he will die by the sword. No propaganda and deep ideological convictions needed.

So what about the CIA in 2014? What about their specially trained Nazi battalion in Donbas 2014-2022? Just wondering if your statement applies in all situations, or just the ones you're told to care about?

I supported the Maiden shit when it first happened. Remember watching it live, and there was some guy spouting Nazi shit in the live comments. Didn't make sense to me at the time, but learned the truth a few years later. I'm not afraid to admit when I've fallen for propaganda because I'm just on the side of truth. And it's a lonely fucking side to be on, because most people's political affiliations require them to compromise truth.

I found this helpful:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/russian-z-military-symbol?source=patrick.net

NuttBoxer says

So what about the CIA in 2014? What about their specially trained Nazi battalion in Donbas 2014-2022?

What does that have to do with villager attitude towards Russians who are coming into their villages?
Also, you may want to check on Vagner paramilitaries on Russian side, who, as far as I know are just as Nazi as Azov battalion. Were they trained by CIA as well? Have you listened to Igor Strelkov, who is GRU and started war in Donbas on Russian side, and was 1st defense minister of Donbas republic? Would you consider him a nazi, and if yes, was he paid off/trained by CIA?

Bd6r says

What does that have to do with villager attitude towards Russians who are coming into their villages?

The same thing it has to do with Donbas villagers attitudes for the past eight years when Nazi militias are attacking them.

If there are Nazi's fighting for Russia that would be unusual given the history of WWII, but as I haven't read about it, I won't say it's outside the realm of possibility, just unlikely.

Your comments bring up a good contrast. We may have extremists fighting on both sides. But if that was the case, they would not both be CIA. CIA is a Western globalist organization, KGB is probably the closest they have to a Eastern counterpart. If you see similarities between the two sides, that's not coincidence. At least as far back as WWII there have been two distinct approaches to what they call the New World Order. But just as in Orwell's fiction, it matters not what side you claim to be on, because in the end, it's all Big Brother.

And this is my point. If you are only against Russia, in reality you support Russia more than I do. Because you are still supporting one side of the NWO, and I'm against both sides.

I have no problem lambasting both sides, because I'm not a globalist. What about you?

NuttBoxer says

What about you?

I dont like wars, no matter where they are started. But I think the main fault lies with party starting the war. For example, US is at fault for starting Iraq, Afghanistan, etc wars, no matter what the rationalization. Russia is at fault for starting war in Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnia, etc.

Chechnya and Ukraine and Georgia are bordering Russia. Iraq, Afghanistan couldn't be further away from the US. In the end, shock of shocks, OBL was in Pakistan a mile from their West Point Equivalent, and it was an open secret.

They were just waiting for a "Plausible Confirmation" which they finally got from a defector, but they knew where he was for a long time. It also allowed them to say "Oh, this Islamist former sympathizer knew where OBL was, but not the ISI/Paki Gov." Which is 110% BS.

Dubya was very light on Pakistan, and Obama was a symp.

AmericanKulak says

Chechnya and Ukraine and Georgia are bordering Russia

Irrelevant in my mind. They should be able to do as they please provided they dont attack Russia.

Bd6r says

AmericanKulak says

Chechnya and Ukraine and Georgia are bordering Russia

Irrelevant in my mind. They should be able to do as they please provided they dont attack Russia.

If Mexico discussed hosting Chinese or Russian bases, then goodbye Mexican Government, I don't care if the Public voted for it 95%.

Cuba sure didn't have a right to host Short/Intermediate Range Ballistic Missiles, and JFK was willing to risk a nuclear war. Good thing Kurschev blinked (and he got Pershings out of Turkey in return, the less known quo pro quo)




The Swiss solved this one, be a porcupine but strictly neutral. Finns also adopted much of this idea, be harder to chew than is worth biting, but don't overtly join alliances against the neighboring big dog.

Especially if one is on a big boy's border. That doesn't mean it should be painless, but if one big boy does all it can to turn a small fry against it's big boy neighbor, well.

It was fine when Russia was a basket case, but the first thing Russia did when it get fit enough was take care of the gang muscling in on it's own neighborhood.

(The latter case remains to be seen, we'll know if a few weeks/months)

Bd6r says

Russia is at fault for starting war in Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnia, etc.

What about NATO conducting drills with Ukraine despite guaranteeing Russia at the end of WWII that they would never extend beyond Germany? What about the CIA unseating the elected leader, and training extremist factions? What about the US bio-labs all over Ukraine? What about Ukraine never fulfilling the treaty they agreed to, recognizing the Donbas region? What about Ukrainian Nazi's bombing civilians in Donbass, including two schools, in an ongoing war against ethnic Russians in Ukraine for the past eight years?

Russia does share blame, I won't deny that, but you still aren't willing to admit there is no good side here? I am.

There is no good side, this is Realpolitik trumping the International Rules Based order Bullshit, enforced by a Hyperpower who is $30T in debt, maybe a third or half of it due to that.

We could have still been the Untouchable Big Cheese if our companies weren't allowed to outsource to China like mad in the 90s, and we adopted more drilling and nuclear power.

It's of absolute critical necessity that Europe re-arm, and if they don't, we leave it.

NuttBoxer says

despite guaranteeing Russia at the end of WWII that they would never extend beyond Germany?

I am not aware of that, link would be helpful.
NuttBoxer says

Ukraine never fulfilling the treaty they agreed to, recognizing the Donbas region?

Not aware of that either.
NuttBoxer says

What about Ukrainian Nazi's bombing civilians in Donbass, including two schools, in an ongoing war against ethnic Russians in Ukraine for the past eight years?

Leader of these Ukrainian Nazis is an ethnic Russian from Crimea, and at least initially most of Donbaa battalion fighters were Russian speakers. I dont think you have too good of an information.
BTW I am no fan of Taliban, but it was their land that was attacked. Same with Ukrainians now.

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

Save_Ukraine says

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

Most of money allocated to military was stolen. Russian leaders thought that Ukrainian army will fold because Nazis, and that did not happen.

Bd6r says

I am not aware of that, link would be helpful.

Again, in the sources I've already provided, and I didn't post many. But here's one more, although this is not from WWII:
https://alethonews.com/2022/02/18/document-confirms-us-told-russia-nato-wont-expand/?source=patrick.net

Bd6r says

Not aware of that either.

The Minsk agreement. Wow, I knew about this one within a few days of this escalation in February. Kind of a main reason Russia gave for their actions. Whatever varied sources your reading, you need to get some new ones.

Bd6r says

Leader of these Ukrainian Nazis is an ethnic Russian from Crimea, and at least initially most of Donbaa battalion fighters were Russian speakers. I dont think you have too good of an information.

You seriously believe a Russian would be racist against other Russians? How the fuck do you rationalize that? Your way off here, seems like the prospect of supporting racists really bothers you:
https://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/crimes-against-humanity-ukraine-president-poroshenko-keeps-his-word-weve-bombed-the-schools-donbass-children-dont-go-to-school/?source=patrick.net

And here's where we really separate. I have not problem calling Putin what he is, and the Russian what they are. But you have been given two opportunities to denounce the US, NATO, and the Ukraine for their part in this war, and you haven't. So bullshit on your peace loving outlook. You have no problem with war as long as it fits your worldview. That's why you won't denounce everyone responsible. That's why you fell for this propaganda so easily, and have never looked at anything I've posted on it, or questioned it's non-coincidental timeline with the scamdemic.

Save_Ukraine says

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

That's cartoonish, like you're in a movie, and there's an obvious bad guys everything gets blamed on. Betting you cheered Iraq too.

Bd6r says

Most of money allocated to military was stolen. Russian leaders thought that Ukrainian army will fold because Nazis, and that did not happen.

Ukraine air defense and air-fields were completely eliminated in the first few hours. You don't try to arm untrained civilians and beg for money and guns if you still have a military. Propaganda doesn't hold up well to scrutiny, that's why you have to go balls deep if you're gonna push, otherwise it will fall apart, and you'll quickly denounce it.

Btw, I talked to a former co-worker today, a former Russian citizen who is largely of Ukrainian origin.

He does not know why Putin decided to invade. He says that they already had borders with NATO countries, for example Poland.

He brought up the possibility that Putin may just be acting his part in globalist theater being put on for us all.