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2022 Mar 8, 11:35am   21,274 views  518 comments

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AAA Lists Most Expensive States for Gas: 9 of Top 10 Are Run by Democrats
David Hawkins March 8, 2022

According to AAA here are the most expensive states for gas as of Monday:

The American Automobile Association (AAA) has listed the top-ten most expensive states to buy gas, nine of which are run by Democrats.

According to AAA, the national average for a gallon of gas is $4.06 and rising.

The average is now 45 cents more than a week ago, 62 cents more than a month ago, and $1.30 more than a year ago.

And it promises to get worse as the West debates banning Russian oil.

AAA has released a list of the ten states with the most expensive gas prices and most are blue states.

The only red state in the top ten is Alaska, which surprisingly comes in at number 6.

Patrick De Haan, head of petroleum analysis at GasBuddy, said:

“There are few words to describe the unprecedented rise in gasoline prices over the last week, with massive spikes coast to coast in both gasoline and diesel prices, as oil prices jump to their highest since 2008. ...

California: $5.34
Hawaii: $4.69
Nevada: $4.59
Oregon: $4.51
Washington: $4.44
Alaska: $4.39
Illinois: $4.30
Connecticut: $4.28
New York: $4.26
Pennsylvania: $4.23




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487   WookieMan   2022 Nov 7, 3:40am  

Patrick says

https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/biden-shouts-no-more-drilling-there






I don't get this. You take away a resource that 100% of people NEED and use daily. Can't keep blaming this Russia/Ukraine shit. At some point you have to pony up and use the resources we have available to us. How is not drilling the best interest of your citizens? Even the crazy lefties that voted this in.

We're no where near getting off oil. I'm for greener energy. I've done the simple "green" things to reduce energy usage in my house. LED lights in every fixture. Extra seals around doors. Turn down thermostat at night. Shades in the summer to stop solar heating through windows.

That said I won't give up using gas in my lifetime. Ever. If the Dems were so worried about CO2, dump ALL municipal codes/laws that require a trimmed lawn. One of the few times I'll say an HOA did the right thing. They allowed my buddy to do prairie grasses in his front lawn. Which is natural to the damn area. Not 2" trimmed lawns with mowers that blow out more CO2 than a car does in a month after 1 mowing. It's a win/win. More greenery and plants to suck up CO2 and less mower usage.

Hell I have a ditch on the south side of my fence that is easement and basically useless land. I'd love to turn it into a bioswale. Again more greenery, less mowing and it helps my high water table where I live. These are things that make life EASIER for people, but you'll get a god damn ticket for doing it because the "grass" is too long. We could gut CO2 by 10-20% by just allowing natural landscapes. It would help solve the illegal alien issue too as a lot of landscapers would be out of jobs. They then can go work on oil rigs pumping the shit out of the earth that everyone needs daily.
488   ForcedTQ   2022 Nov 7, 8:23am  

WookieMan says

Patrick says


https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/biden-shouts-no-more-drilling-there






I don't get this. You take away a resource that 100% of people NEED and use daily. Can't keep blaming this Russia/Ukraine shit. At some point you have to pony up and use the resources we have available to us. How is not drilling the best interest of your citizens? Even the crazy lefties that voted this in.

We're no where near getting off oil. I'm for greener energy. I've done the simple "green" things to reduce energy usage in my house. LED lights in every fixture. Extra seals around doors. Turn down therm...


I have to take issue with the idea that lawn mowers emit as much CO2 as passenger vehicles. It’s directly related to how much fuel is combusted. If you run your mower once a week and use a half gallon of gas to do so, that’s no where near what a probably average commuting person consumes in one day. Consequently no where near the CO2 emissions either, not that that even really matters.
489   zzyzzx   2022 Nov 7, 8:32am  

ForcedTQ says

I have to take issue with the idea that lawn mowers emit as much CO2 as passenger vehicles. It’s directly related to how much fuel is combusted. If you run your mower once a week and use a half gallon of gas to do so, that’s no where near what a probably average commuting person consumes in one day. Consequently no where near the CO2 emissions either, not that that even really matters.


The liberals making up the rues don't care about this.
490   ForcedTQ   2022 Nov 7, 8:52am  

zzyzzx says

ForcedTQ says


I have to take issue with the idea that lawn mowers emit as much CO2 as passenger vehicles. It’s directly related to how much fuel is combusted. If you run your mower once a week and use a half gallon of gas to do so, that’s no where near what a probably average commuting person consumes in one day. Consequently no where near the CO2 emissions either, not that that even really matters.


The liberals making up the rues don't care about this.


I know. CO2 isn’t the evil boogeyman that they make it out to be.
491   WookieMan   2022 Nov 7, 11:18am  

ForcedTQ says

I have to take issue with the idea that lawn mowers emit as much CO2 as passenger vehicles. It’s directly related to how much fuel is combusted.

CO2 is exhaust from a muffler after burning the fuel. Your mower maybe has a spark arrestor out in CA or fire prone areas. The CO2 from a riding mower or even push mower is exponential worse than a car. There's NO muffler filtering anything.

As a total, it's substantially more than you'd think. Passenger cars emit way less than one would think. Diesel is another conversation. A lawn mower pisses out CO2 like no other vehicle or motor. We don't have to agree that CO2 is a problem or not, but it's just fact. Landscaping lawns puts out fuck tons of CO2.

I like golfing and a well manicured course, but the equipment used is putting out more CO2 than you'd think. Again, I don't care. I'm not giving up oil. You just can't stop people from using a product they've used everyday. But mowing a lawn is worse than driving a car: https://www.onlynaturalenergy.com/grass-lawns-are-an-ecological-catastrophe/

IF CO2 is the issue, we shouldn't be talking about banning drilling. How about stop mowing your lawns? I'm no Mr Green, windmills, EV's, etc. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the lefty/green people. If I want to grow 5' prairie grass in front of my house, where it's natural, fuck off. Don't give me a ticket because my "lawn" was too long. I got rid of CO2. I didn't mow a lawn.

There's a complete disconnect between reality and propaganda at this point. Propaganda is winning.
492   HeadSet   2022 Nov 7, 11:19am  

ForcedTQ says

CO2 isn’t the evil boogeyman that they make it out to be.

It makes a great bogeyman though, as it is impossible to go about modern life without producing CO2. Everyone is a "carbon" maker and that gives the opportunity for control. They could just as well have made a phony science out of "oxygen depletion" as bogeyman where our excessive use of O2 is suffocating plankton.
494   Hugh_Mongous   2022 Nov 7, 9:38pm  

HeadSet says

It makes a great bogeyman though, as it is impossible to go about modern life without producing CO2.


Cavemen life too.
495   ForcedTQ   2022 Nov 9, 6:37am  

WookieMan says


ForcedTQ says


I have to take issue with the idea that lawn mowers emit as much CO2 as passenger vehicles. It’s directly related to how much fuel is combusted.

CO2 is exhaust from a muffler after burning the fuel. Your mower maybe has a spark arrestor out in CA or fire prone areas. The CO2 from a riding mower or even push mower is exponential worse than a car. There's NO muffler filtering anything.

As a total, it's substantially more than you'd think. Passenger cars emit way less than one would think. Diesel is another conversation. A lawn mower pisses out CO2 like no other vehicle or motor. We don't have to agree that CO2 is a problem or not, but it's just fact. Landscaping lawns puts out fuck tons of CO2.

I like golfing and a well manicured course, but the equipment used is putting out more CO2 than you'd think. Again, I don't care. I'm not giving up oil. You ...


Wookieman, no, please stop spreading this propaganda.
No shit CO2 is in exhaust from the process of combustion. That article doesn’t say gas powered lawn mowers CO2 emissions are higher gallon for gallon vs passenger vehicles. That is impossible, burn a gallon of gas in either engine and it’s going to emit close to the same CO2, it’s chemistry. It says that lawn mower or off road engines emit “up to” 11 times other pollutants.

By the way, mufflers don’t filter anything but sound from exhaust, catalytic converters convert remaining hydrocarbons to CO2 in reality. You’ve got to be trolling here, right?
496   cisTits   2022 Nov 9, 6:40am  

What is everyone bitching about?

The voters just said high gas prices, inflation and the dottering old fool in the WH is AOK with them.
497   RC2006   2022 Nov 9, 6:56am  

People love free shit even if it makes them poorer. Maybe comunism is taking over, socialism is more popular than ever.
498   HeadSet   2022 Nov 9, 7:05am  

ForcedTQ says


catalytic converters convert remaining hydrocarbons to CO2 in reality


It says that lawn mower or off road engines emit “up to” 11 times other pollutants.

Correct, residual carbon monoxide is converted to CO2, even though the catalytic converter is primarily to remove nitrogen compounds produced when atmospheric NO2 is heated in the ICE. Those nitrogen compounds are the "other" pollutants mentioned above.
499   WookieMan   2022 Nov 9, 7:06am  

ForcedTQ says

By the way, mufflers don’t filter anything but sound from exhaust, catalytic converters convert remaining hydrocarbons to CO2 in reality. You’ve got to be trolling here, right?

You're not getting my point. We DON'T HAVE to mow lawns. We DON'T HAVE to water lawns. We DON'T HAVE to hire landscapers that bring a truck and trailer to mow your lawn. We DON'T HAVE to make mowers and ship parts and material to make them on semis driving 1k miles.

IF Democrats were serious about climate change and IF CO2 is the problem, we could cut CO2 5-10% overnight eliminating all ordinances on lawns being too long or you'll get ticketed. Solves water issues as well. My point is they're not serious. They don't fucking care.

Navistar is headquartered somewhat close to me (truck engines). You can make cleaner engines. They tried, but got their ass kicked. I haven't looked into it recently. Mowers are 100% filth though. That's a fact. You burn more gallons per hour. You want to know the biggest pushback for Navistar? Lisle where they're headquartered had a bunch of fucking NIMBY's saying they didn't want them testing diesel engines. The company was trying to emit less and they got push back from Democrats.

This is my point. You can do what they ask, but they won't let you. There are solutions. Less landscaping. Better diesel engines. Oil is here to stay, but we don't need to use as much as we do. Where my house sits is used to be a fucking prairie 150 years ago. No one mowed it. Now there's 800 houses/businesses mowing two times a week during the spring, summer and fall. For what? Somehow the land was fine before we got to it.

And no I'm not trolling. Mowers are exponentially worse than cars. No one cares about fuel efficiency in small engines. Isn't it funny that some suburban towns and cities ban mowing on certain hot summer days for air quality? I don't trust government, but I'm not trolling and I'm not making stuff up.
500   WookieMan   2022 Nov 9, 7:38am  

HeadSet says


Correct, any carbon monoxide is converted to CO2, even though the catalytic converter is primarily to remove nitrogen compounds produced when atmospheric NO2 is heated in the ICE. Those nitrogen compounds are the "other" pollutants mentioned above.

I'm not arguing the CO2 output. I think that's where the message was lost on some. Here in IL we still have prairies. That was the natural state of the land before we built houses. AZ was rock and cactus (simplifying). Now there are lawns. A mower accounting for speed is exponentially worse than a car.

I'm not some hippy dippy green type person. In fact it's because I'm lazy. I don't want to take care of a lawn. Maintain a mower. Weed whacker. But that's what is accepted. If more people stopped maintaining their lawns it would be nice. Less lawn mower noice. Fumes. My buddies house I mentioned before is amazing with natural prairie grass. Creates privacy and is cheaper than a fence.
501   RC2006   2022 Nov 9, 8:40am  

Elections over let's see gas jump a few bucks this winter.
502   Bd6r   2022 Nov 9, 9:00am  

RC2006 says

Elections over let's see gas jump a few bucks this winter.

Perhaps the release of oil from our formerly strategic, currently election emergency oil reserve has helped Bidet&Co avoid complete defeat.
503   WookieMan   2022 Nov 9, 9:33am  

RC2006 says

Elections over let's see gas jump a few bucks this winter.

Winter blend is cheaper. We'll see what spring and summer '23 bring. Plus less usage in the cold areas. Less demand. If Dems are smart they'd make sure it's as lower or lower than Trump gas prices summer of '23 versus say '19.
504   Eric Holder   2022 Nov 9, 9:35am  

Bd6r says

RC2006 says


Elections over let's see gas jump a few bucks this winter.

Perhaps the release of oil from our formerly strategic, currently election emergency oil reserve has helped Bidet&Co avoid complete defeat.


Limo liberals never cared about gas prices, tech bros are playing with their Teslas and the "poor" are banking on free shit offsetting the gas expense (or don't have it at all, like Occasional Cortex voters).
505   Bd6r   2022 Nov 9, 12:31pm  

Eric Holder says

Limo liberals never cared about gas prices

Mexicans in S TX do care and if gas price is low, they don't vote.
508   Patrick   2022 Nov 24, 5:15pm  

https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-admin-quietly-greenlights-plan-to-build-huge-gulf-oil-terminal_4883351.html?src_src=goodeveningnoe-nonai&src_cmp=gv-2022-11-24-nonai&utm_source=share-btn-copylink


Biden Admin Quietly Greenlights Plan to Build Huge Gulf Oil Terminal

The Biden administration has quietly approved plans to build a new crude oil terminal in the Gulf of Mexico off Texas, seemingly in contradiction to the president’s climate agenda.

The Department of Transportation’s Maritime Administration approved the application (pdf) for Enterprise’s Sea Port Oil Terminal, one of four proposed offshore oil export terminals, on Monday.

According to the application, the port will be located offshore of Freeport, Texas. It will have 4.8 million barrels of storage capacity and add 2 million barrels per day to the U.S. oil export capacity.

In its 94-page decision (pdf), the Maritime Administration said that it had approved the application because the construction and operation of the port is “in the national interest and consistent with other policy goals and objectives.” ...

‘Peak Hypocrisy for President Biden’

Greenpeace promptly took aim at the Biden administration’s decision regarding the new oil terminal, stating that the new terminal would “emit over 300 million tons of carbon dioxide every year polluting the air and water of Brazoria and Harris counties in Texas while creating serious health threats for everyone living there.”

“It is peak hypocrisy for President Biden and Secretary [of Transportation] Pete Buttigieg to shorten the fuse on the world’s largest carbon bomb by greenlighting additional oil export terminals right after lecturing the world about increasing climate ambitions at COP27,” the independent global campaigning network added.

The approval of the Sea Port Oil Terminal would facilitate the safe and efficient long-term loading of large crude carriers while simultaneously slashing oil transportation costs and reducing ship collision risks among other issues, according to officials.
510   Hugh_Mongous   2022 Nov 26, 10:58pm  

Kazakhstan is negotiating with the United States to export oil bypassing Russia, said the American ambassador in Astana, Daniel Rosenblum.

Since September, the state-owned company Kazmunaigaz has started export deliveries through Georgia and Azerbaijan through the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline.
After oil bypassing Russian ports, Kazakhstan plans to export uranium.


https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1596231574965653504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
511   ad   2022 Nov 27, 6:54am  

Bd6r says

Perhaps the release of oil from our formerly strategic, currently election emergency oil reserve has helped Bidet&Co avoid complete defeat.


Yes, Birdbrain Biden was just following orders from neo-marxists Susan Rice and Ron Klain as far as drawing from the strategic oil reserves until 1 month before the midterm election. It was brilliantly planned just like the student loan forgiveness annoucement was crafted right before the midterms.

Look at Birdbrain Biden's senate lifetime rating by the American Conservative Union. He was one of the most liberal senators and very close in ranking to Bernie Sanders.

Biden is no "moderate". He believes in a socialist and authoritarian government.

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513   HeadSet   2022 Nov 28, 10:58am  

Is there a date for that gas station screenshot above?
515   Eric Holder   2022 Nov 28, 11:02am  

HeadSet says

Is there a date for that gas station screenshot above?


Reported 6 hours ago from the date/time of the screenshot (which was taken today couple of minutes before posting).

You can play with it yourself: https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/california
518   ad   2022 Dec 2, 10:35pm  

Looking at oil rig count and it looks like it is at least 10% below early 2020 levels. Oil producers are looking to maintain the price of gasoline and diesel and avoid another price crash.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/total_world_rotary_rigs

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_oil_rotary_rigs

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