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A suggested improvement to English


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2022 Apr 18, 11:24pm   226 views  7 comments

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Most languages seem to have distinct words for maternal vs paternal uncles and aunts, but not English.


Another concrete example to extend upon these already excellent answers is the Swedish language. Here, the terms are "farbror" for a paternal uncle (literally: "father-brother") and "morbror" for a maternal uncle ("mother-brother"). This principle extends to many other family relations, however; the terms for paternal and maternal aunt are faster (shortened from "fars syster", father's sister) and moster (from "mors syster", mother's sister), respectively, and for paternal grandparents it is farmor/farfar vs mormor/morfar for the maternal case. For cousins, however, the term is the same regardless of family connection, or even gender, unlike in languages like French and German.


We should totally do that in English too.

Proposal:

paternal uncle: fabro
paternal aunt: fasis
maternal uncle: mombro
maternal aunt: momsis
paternal grandfather: fafa
paternal grandmother: famom
maternal grandfather: momfa
maternal grandmother: momom
paternal uncle's child: fabrokid
paternal auut's child: farsiskid
maternal uncle's child: mombrokid
maternal aunt's child: momsiskid

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1   NuttBoxer   2022 Apr 19, 8:34am  

Spanish does not have this distinction, and they're pretty family oriented.
2   richwicks   2022 Apr 19, 8:49am  

NuttBoxer says
Spanish does not have this distinction, and they're pretty family oriented.


I think it makes more sense to allow ambiguity if it's desired. Instead of saying "my paternal aunt", I should be able to just say "my aunt".

Changing language is a bit dangerous in that it makes earlier works inaccessible to previous generations. Imagine trying to read a book about sex from 1950 and being confused by what they mean by "woman", "man", "gender", etc. This was the purpose of changing the language in China, it was to make a clear break from the previous culture. Ever try to read a really old French book? My French is pretty terrible today, but reading a book from 1850 is a real task. Spelling is very different.
3   NDrLoR   2022 Apr 19, 8:56am  

richwicks says
My French is pretty terrible today
My father's oldest brother served in France during the First World War and came back fluent in French--I heard him say "Wee wee manure" on more than one occasion.
4   richwicks   2022 Apr 19, 8:58am  

NDrLoR says
richwicks says
My French is pretty terrible today
Wee wee manure


Is that like saw mill / cent mille?
5   AmericanKulak   2022 Apr 19, 12:01pm  

We need spelling reform desperately. English is the most inconstant language in the world. To rectify the English Civil War Royalist-Roundhead (the former printed in France, the latter printed in Holland, and paid by the line so the printers had maximum incentive to add more letters and spell everything in the longest way possible) debacle.
6   richwicks   2022 Apr 19, 12:09pm  

A PLAN FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF ENGLISH SPELLING
by Mark Twain

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet.

The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later.

Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.

Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.

Bai iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.
7   AmericanKulak   2022 Apr 19, 12:11pm  

richwicks says
Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.





Reformed English would probably look like Dutch or Frisian.

There's no need for a big expensive program (although the gov would probably do so anyway). You just say "In 10 years, all civil, criminal, real estate, and corporate filings must be in Reformed English or will be refused by the Courts and Agencies responsible."

Every language in Europe except English has been reformed, mostly in the 18th and 19th. Spanish and French were monsters, with so many variant and unusual spellings that had accumulated over time.

"There are rules!" - Not really, with Bough and Cough and Dough and Tough.

"I before e, except after c
Or when sounded as 'a' as in 'neighbor' and 'weigh'
Unless the 'c' is part of a 'sh' sound as in 'glacier'
Or it appears in comparatives and superlatives like 'fancier'
And also except when the vowels are sounded as 'e' as in 'seize'
Or 'i' as in 'height'
Or also in '-ing' inflections ending in '-e' as in 'cueing'
Or in compound words as in 'albeit'
Or occasionally in technical words with strong etymological links to their parent languages as in 'cuneiform'
Or in other numerous and random exceptions such as 'science', 'forfeit', and 'weird'."

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