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Russia Could Be Forced To Pay For The Rebuilding Of Ukraine


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2022 May 17, 4:25am   749 views  30 comments

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#rebuildingukraine The war goes on in Ukraine. Despite this, discussions are already underway over how the rebuilding of Ukraine will be paid for. The Financial Times Of London came up with an interesting idea this morning. A precedent was set when the entire treasury of Afghanistan (+/- $7 billion US) held by the US Federal Reserve Bank in New York was frozen. The final disposition of the funds was that 50% of the funds would go to NGOs (non-government organizations) providing humanitarian aid in Afghanistan and 50% would go to the families of those killed or injured during the 9-11 attack in 2001.
The estimated bill to rebuild Ukraine will run into hundreds of billions to perhaps over a trillion US dollars. The Russian central bank reserves frozen by sanctions could be as much as $600 billion US dollars. One can only guess as to the final value of all assets of the oligarchs frozen by sanctions. This is a just solution. Many lawyers will get rich making it happen. Several of my friends in the law profession have quipped the following:
"A law license is a license to steal."

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1   richwicks   2022 May 17, 5:02am  

Pfft!

Sure and the US will pay for the rebuilding of any nation they blew up.
2   WookieMan   2022 May 17, 5:24am  

richwicks says

Pfft!

Sure and the US will pay for the rebuilding of any nation they blew up.

We built and gave Afghanistan some nice military equipment and military infrastructure. Most of the fight was out in the open. We for sure damaged structures there, but being younger and knowing 4-5 guys that did multiple tours, it wasn't as bad as it was made out to be.

We didn't need to be there for sure, but Chicago had more deaths in the same period of time we were there. A major American city, just one city. But because it's done almost exclusively by blacks you can't talk about it. I'll say this, at least some Americans made money off the useless wars. All the gang on gang killings in Chicago costs us because most likely didn't even have insurance. Free ambo ride, free health care, more police officer presence, etc. I guess funeral homes made money. But keeping a banger alive with 5 gun shot wounds ain't cheap and they ain't paying. We are.

I mean we basically have wars going on in many major American cities, it's all with just small arms.
3   zzyzzx   2022 May 17, 6:56am  

It will be nice to see Russia finally pay some war reparations. I don't think they have ever done it.
5   Tenpoundbass   2022 May 17, 7:15am  

Ukraine is destroying Ukraine according to on the ground accounts of the civilians in Patrick Lancaster's videos.

This war is about Ukraine's on going 12 year effort to cleanse Ukraine of pro Russian opposition to the Eurocratic ruling class, and take their land.
Ukraine will rebuild a cookie cutter Starbucks/Aldi/Apartment buildings.
6   Tenpoundbass   2022 May 17, 7:20am  

zzyzzx says
It will be nice to see Russia finally pay some war reparations. I don't think they have ever done it.


Wait who do they owe? Surely they don't owe Germany for Hitler's failed invasion.
Why should they pay to rebuild Afghanistan when G.W. Bush gave them trillions and not a single school or domicile was ever built. But they did get more radical mosques.

Serious question, who do you think they owe?

Zelinski is destroying old delipidated Soviet era cities, you don't see the modern Europe urban centers blown out. Which is what Putin would target if he were into destroying cities and civilians .I doubt he would take out the people in Ukraine actually pulling for Putin to win.
7   AmericanKulak   2022 May 17, 8:06am  

OP, WE'RE PAYING FOR UKRAINIAN PENSIONS.
8   komputodo   2022 May 17, 8:07am  

OK, lets see....the country of ukraine is all fucked up and continues to get even more fucked up...It will be 100s of billions or maybe even a trillion dollars and years of rebuilding to get it back into shape. There are many casualties. But THEY ARE WINNING! Winning what?
9   clambo   2022 May 17, 8:22am  

Putin lost because he couldn’t achieve his military objectives; before he pulls out he will change the objectives to say it was a success.

How he will be forced to pay is unclear to me.

I think Europe will be paying to repair the damage.

Russia sucks and the Kremlin has been run by assholes forever.

Personally I would rather pay for fixing Ukraine than for the health care of illegals or the spawn of welfare queen slobs in Riviera Beach, or FBI pensions, government goldbricks, etc. etc.
10   RWSGFY   2022 May 17, 8:25am  

Tenpoundbass says

zzyzzx says
It will be nice to see Russia finally pay some war reparations. I don't think they have ever done it.


Wait who do they owe? Surely they don't owe Germany for Hitler's failed invasion.
...

Serious question, who do you think they owe?



At the very minimum they owe Poland for the joint Stalin-Hitler invasion of 1939 which kicked off WWII.

And Baltic states for invading and annexing them in 1940, while still being Hitler's ally.

Oh, and occupation of Ukraine as a whole in 1921-91 and then parts of it in 2014-present.

And, of course, invasion and occupation of Afghanistan in 1979-89.
11   richwicks   2022 May 17, 8:28am  

clambo says
Putin lost because he couldn’t achieve his military objectives;


You don't know what the military objectives are.

Where were the US' military objectives in bombing Libya? How about Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Yemen? Somalia?

You don't know what the objectives of the US military and government are - why do you think you know what Russia's are?
12   RWSGFY   2022 May 17, 8:32am  

richwicks says

clambo says
Putin lost because he couldn’t achieve his military objectives;


You don't know what the military objectives are.


Yeah, the objectives are fluid: from "we gonna occupy and denazinazifazi you" to "we're going to capture the glorious megapolis of Popasna and call it the grand victory of XXI century!".


13   AmericanKulak   2022 May 17, 8:33am  

clambo says
I think Europe will be paying to repair the damage.


Clambo, c'mon man. Europe's entire geoeconomic strategy is US pays.
14   richwicks   2022 May 17, 8:56am  

RWSGFY says
Yeah, the objectives are fluid: from "we gonna occupy and denazinazifazi you" to "we're going to capture the glorious megapolis of Popasna and call it the grand victory of XXI century!".


I can't believe how people can lack such nuance. Wow, a map. Neat.

In this world every fucking thing is binary, except now, gender isn't binary. There's over 50 shades of it at least.
15   RWSGFY   2022 May 17, 8:59am  

richwicks says

RWSGFY says
Yeah, the objectives are fluid: from "we gonna occupy and denazinazifazi you" to "we're going to capture the glorious megapolis of Popasna and call it the grand victory of XXI century!".


I can't believe how people can lack such nuance. Wow, a map. Neat.

In this world every fucking thing is binary, except now, gender isn't binary. There's over 50 shades of it at least.


It must be nice to live in that permanent state of mental fog.
16   clambo   2022 May 17, 9:13am  

Rishwicks
Putin himself expressed his objectives, not to mention the obvious attempt to conquer areas he retreated from.
17   richwicks   2022 May 17, 9:24am  

RWSGFY says
It must be nice to live in that permanent state of mental fog.


The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.

clambo says
Putin himself expressed his objectives,


Public statements by a politician are to advance an agenda, not to inform the public.

Remember, didn't George W. Bush say "Day h8 us 4 Я freedumb" and "we cannot wait for the final proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud?"

Putin MIGHT be more credible than US politicians, but a bar lying on the ground is pretty easy to walk over.
18   zzyzzx   2022 May 17, 9:51am  

Tenpoundbass says
Serious question, who do you think they owe?


Poland
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Romania
Finland

Probably more too. Seriously, the only reason Romania and Finland joined the Axis in WW2 is because of what the Soviets did to them.
19   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 May 17, 12:03pm  

Who is going to pay us back our 40 fucking billion dollars? I'm still pissed that they had to argue for a year to send Americans their 600 back, but 40 billion for ukraine was a few days of talking. What kind of shit is this?

I just hope those 40 billion came with some good strings attached, and not just a hand out.
20   AmericanKulak   2022 May 17, 1:52pm  

DooDahMan says
And Mexico will be forced to pay for the wall.


Actually, Mexico paid for tens of thousands of Federales AND most of the costs of "Remain in Mexico". All it took was a wee threat to impose some tariffs and safety checks.
21   TheSameAD   2022 May 17, 2:11pm  

WookieMan says
We built and gave Afghanistan some nice military equipment and military infrastructure.


Exactly. $7 billion taken by the USA from Afghanistan, and the US ended up spending at least $50 billion in infrastructure there and rebuilding it to a condition a lot better than it was prior to 11 September 2001.
22   Tenpoundbass   2022 May 17, 2:15pm  

zzyzzx says
Poland
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Romania
Finland

Probably more too. Seriously, the only reason Romania and Finland joined the Axis in WW2 is because of what the Soviets did to them.


You mean what the Allies did to them. We gave those countries to Russia for safe keeping to keep them out of Hitler's hands.
23   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2022 May 17, 4:36pm  

HunterTits says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
I just hope those 40 billion came with some good strings attached, and not just a hand out.


Hahahaha...Rand Paul is supposedly holding it up in the Senate to require Inspector General oversight of the funds. Not making himself popular with his peers right now.


already passed, they had 72 votes to pass, most Republicans voted for it.
24   Booger   2022 May 17, 4:47pm  

Tenpoundbass says

zzyzzx says
Poland
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Romania
Finland

Probably more too. Seriously, the only reason Romania and Finland joined the Axis in WW2 is because of what the Soviets did to them.


You mean what the Allies did to them. We gave those countries to Russia for safe keeping to keep them out of Hitler's hands.


Roosevelt is at fault as well.
25   Eric Holder   2022 May 17, 4:49pm  

Tenpoundbass says

zzyzzx says
Poland
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Romania
Finland

Probably more too. Seriously, the only reason Romania and Finland joined the Axis in WW2 is because of what the Soviets did to them.


You mean what the Allies did to them. We gave those countries to Russia for safe keeping to keep them out of Hitler's hands.


Except Russia was Hitler's ally at that moment. And was supplying raw materials for this military buildup.
26   Eric Holder   2022 May 17, 4:50pm  

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Who is going to pay us back our 40 fucking billion dollars?


Russia. We've arrested 10x that in their government assets alone.
27   AmericanKulak   2022 May 17, 6:22pm  

DooDahMan says
And the American taxpayers paid for the physical wall or at least the portions that got built.




A whopping $1.5B I believe. How much did we give to Ukraine in the past 6 months?
28   richwicks   2022 May 19, 10:08am  

clambo says

Rishwicks
Putin himself expressed his objectives, not to mention the obvious attempt to conquer areas he retreated from.


@Clambo - are you intentionally misspelling my name?

Our government constantly complains about the crimes of Russia, when our nation does the same goddamned crimes. I'm just tired of the hypocrisy. I'm tired of having to deal with newspeak and doublethink. I'm tired of dealing with people who engage with newspeak and doublethink.

If X is wrong, X is wrong, period. When the US does X, and Russia does X, if it's wrong, it's wrong for both nations to have done.

The US has spent 20 years bombing 7 nations. The US is the aggressive murderous nation. They've bombed Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen and yet I am supposed to believe that Russia's incursion into Ukraine is some sort of moral outrage? Principles are above loyalty. My criminal fucking sociopathic government set the rules, so they can't complain about the bed they made. Fuck them.
29   richwicks   2022 May 19, 12:51pm  

AmericanKulak says
A whopping $1.5B I believe. How much did we give to Ukraine in the past 6 months?


60 billion dollars, I believe, 20 then 40 (40 is pending) - that's the budget of the entire military of Russia.

But really, most of that money isn't used to fight a war, it's a kickback scheme for mother fuckers like these:


original link

That's our goddamned president our intelligence agencies installed. If this doesn't mean they should be disbanded, what does? What the fuck does it take? How goddamned corrupt does our government have to be before we say stop? We're almost all old here, but the next generation needs to put up with the shit we didn't kick down the drain. It is our responsibility to get rid of this shit. Biden should be a PRIME EXAMPLE of corruption for our generation, and the next.
30   komputodo   2022 May 19, 2:31pm  

-10% for the big guy

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